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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 13:09:33 GMT 1
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 24, 2021 13:09:33 GMT 1
If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season. You'd rather us get relegated than sack the manager? What an odd thing to say. Think I would to be honest, I don’t see how changing him is going to be good for us longer term whereas I think Carlos will be. Doesn’t mean I want us to be relegated.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Feb 24, 2021 13:11:35 GMT 1
We all know that we have a catastrophic injury list and any manager would have problems losing their best player's but CC is making the same mistake's and not learning from them. I would have taken a point at Derby but to only have one shot on target is school boy stuff. Problem is, we are more likely to pick up more injuries before our injured player's are back but CC put's that down to the amount of game's we play he said, well, take a look at out top six teams Mr Carlos they have huge resource's but mainly stick to the same squad and they don't get the injuries we do.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Feb 24, 2021 13:19:38 GMT 1
I said it a couple of weeks back, but it begs the question what was promised to CC when he was appointed? He was promised investment (or at least that is what they said in the press conference when he was appointed), but was that for players he identified or the recruitment team? Does he have a say in any signings? Or what he needs? For example, I can't imagine CC stating he specifically wanted an ageing CB (Keogh) or a Derby wantaway (Holmes). I fear it's a case of here you go, do something with that.
If the promises made to him are being broken, it may be only a matter of time before CC falls on his sword in the say way Villas-Boas did with the signing of Ntcham.
If he was brought in as a 'yes man', then things will never change. Less than two years on from being a Premier League team, we could only dream of attracting someone like Paul Cook and it's only a matter of time before the club and position as manager are labelled a poisoned chalice.
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 24, 2021 13:27:12 GMT 1
I don't think Cook would give us a second thought. He would want to decided which players we recruit. To the rest of the football world, we look an absolute shambles. I really do fear it's looking like the 70s all over again, when we tumbled through the divisions and nearly out of the League. Buxton saved us then. I'm not sure even Mick would stand a chance now without the ability to choose which players he recruits.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 13:42:24 GMT 1
a manager should choose the players he wants within reason, not the players others want, forget this coach/puppet lark
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Post by Down at the Makka on Feb 24, 2021 13:46:45 GMT 1
Guardiola would struggle with these spaff cakes in charge
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 14:37:41 GMT 1
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Post by griffa on Feb 24, 2021 14:37:41 GMT 1
Go and get him. Did a fantastic job at Wigan in utterly batshit crazy circumstances. Carlos is killing us and it's only getting worse, he has to go. Paul Cook, yes please pronto - UTT.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 24, 2021 15:53:00 GMT 1
honestly, can we not go after someone who doesn't suffer any fools, but is a world class coach with a track record like L..ds did? (I'm talking major ambition rather than the same old shit)
We seem to make it our mission to employ yes men in the main (apart from Wagner although he could have been a yes man)
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 15:54:08 GMT 1
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Post by Toxic Ted on Feb 24, 2021 15:54:08 GMT 1
CC signed a new contract last month.
He’s not going anywhere, relegated or not.
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 16:27:06 GMT 1
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 16:27:06 GMT 1
Do you think the egos of Hoyle and PH would want to be threatened by a Paul Cook ? No way. Good point - regardless I honestly don’t think we can now afford to sack Carlos. I can honestly see us heading into administration if we get relegated, even the additional £4m plus payment of championship TV monies should we stay up might not be enough to address to stave it off if we can not sell at least £5m of players to in part fund our reduced wage bill of £14m ?? Next season. We are still due parachute payments next year .
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 24, 2021 16:58:46 GMT 1
CC signed a new contract last month. He’s not going anywhere, relegated or not. since when has anything like that actually mattered?
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 17:45:17 GMT 1
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 24, 2021 17:45:17 GMT 1
Good point - regardless I honestly don’t think we can now afford to sack Carlos. I can honestly see us heading into administration if we get relegated, even the additional £4m plus payment of championship TV monies should we stay up might not be enough to address to stave it off if we can not sell at least £5m of players to in part fund our reduced wage bill of £14m ?? Next season. We are still due parachute payments next year . Aren't they already accounted for?
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 17:50:21 GMT 1
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 17:50:21 GMT 1
We are still due parachute payments next year . Aren't they already accounted for? When working out a company’s finance and saying we could go into admin, it all comes down to income and expenditure, nobody can say what’s been accounted for except DH and PH. It’s just complete guess work. So saying we are near to admin or have a good wedge to spend is finger in the air guess work. Pointless .
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Feb 24, 2021 17:59:25 GMT 1
Absolutely no chance of administration surely. Hoyle is our major creditor. He’s hardly going to do himself out of getting his money back.
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 19:02:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 19:02:42 GMT 1
Can’t realistically see it, but if Paul Cook was a viable option then I can’t imagine many would say no.
A few would, of course.
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 20:49:55 GMT 1
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Post by hthtafs on Feb 24, 2021 20:49:55 GMT 1
Good point - regardless I honestly don’t think we can now afford to sack Carlos. I can honestly see us heading into administration if we get relegated, even the additional £4m plus payment of championship TV monies should we stay up might not be enough to address to stave it off if we can not sell at least £5m of players to in part fund our reduced wage bill of £14m ?? Next season. We are still due parachute payments next year . Has that not been sold to tickitus?
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 24, 2021 23:13:40 GMT 1
CC is still making exactly the same mistakes he was making earlier in the season. There's absolutely no sign that he has learnt from previous games. Last night was no different to Watford away which was no different to Cardiff away which was no different to Birmingham away. Let us have the ball we will do nothing with it other than play ourselves into trouble. I reckon 80% of the goals we have conceded have come directly from a town error this season. He doesn't know how to deal with Hogg being injured. He chose to completely disrupt the back 3 to stick Vallejo in midfield rather than tweak the system. There's no intensity in our play, there's no tempo and we are so predictable. I was totally on board with implementing an identity and was very supportive of Carlos but he isn't learning or adapting at all. If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season. I can’t possibly agree. Relegation from the prem is one thing but relegation from the Championship puts you in the wilderness . Saying you don’t mind going down cos you’ve loved how we played occasionally is, in my opinion, bat-shit crazy. I’ve witnessed 7 relegations in my time supporting Town and HATED every one of them.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 24, 2021 23:20:58 GMT 1
If the goals are coming from individual mistakes, how is that Carlos’s fault? Our issue is injuries and confidence. I’d rather we go down than sack Carlos, I’ve absolutely loved how we’ve played at time’s this season. I can’t possibly agree. Relegation from the prem is one thing but relegation from the Championship puts you in the wilderness . Saying you don’t mind going down cos you’ve loved how we played occasionally is, in my opinion, bat-shit crazy. I’ve witnessed 7 relegations in my time supporting Town and HATED every one of them. I’m not saying I’d enjoy it, I just don’t see the point in restarting again, I’ve seen enough in the way Corberan has had us playing that I think we need to stick with it. Not like it’s my decision anyway, but I think if we sack him at this stage, there’s no guarantee whoever came in would do any better.
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 24, 2021 23:28:38 GMT 1
I can’t possibly agree. Relegation from the prem is one thing but relegation from the Championship puts you in the wilderness . Saying you don’t mind going down cos you’ve loved how we played occasionally is, in my opinion, bat-shit crazy. I’ve witnessed 7 relegations in my time supporting Town and HATED every one of them. I’m not saying I’d enjoy it, I just don’t see the point in restarting again, I’ve seen enough in the way Corberan has had us playing that I think we need to stick with it. Not like it’s my decision anyway, but I think if we sack him at this stage, there’s no guarantee whoever came in would do any better. Got to admit that I’m not sure sacking the manager is the way to go. The big issue is the lack of investment in the playing squad.
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 23:28:59 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 24, 2021 23:28:59 GMT 1
I can’t possibly agree. Relegation from the prem is one thing but relegation from the Championship puts you in the wilderness . Saying you don’t mind going down cos you’ve loved how we played occasionally is, in my opinion, bat-shit crazy. I’ve witnessed 7 relegations in my time supporting Town and HATED every one of them. I’m not saying I’d enjoy it, I just don’t see the point in restarting again, I’ve seen enough in the way Corberan has had us playing that I think we need to stick with it. Not like it’s my decision anyway, but I think if we sack him at this stage, there’s no guarantee whoever came in would do any better. I'm not for sacking him, he's done ok with what he has at his disposal but to say you've 'loved the way' we've played at times is staggering for me as we've been nothing but absolutely pedestrian even in games we've won, it's almost never been exciting probably the Boro home game and Swansea have been exciting to watch, we get caught in possession constantly, we needlessly pass it sideways and backwards constantly, it's as dull as ditch water in all honesty more often that not.
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 23:35:11 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 24, 2021 23:35:11 GMT 1
I’m not saying I’d enjoy it, I just don’t see the point in restarting again, I’ve seen enough in the way Corberan has had us playing that I think we need to stick with it. Not like it’s my decision anyway, but I think if we sack him at this stage, there’s no guarantee whoever came in would do any better. I'm not for sacking him, he's done ok with what he has at his disposal but to say you've 'loved the way' we've played at times is staggering for me as we've been nothing but absolutely pedestrian even in games we've won, it's almost never been exciting probably the Boro home game and Swansea have been exciting to watch, we get caught in possession constantly, we needlessly pass it sideways and backwards constantly, it's as dull as ditch water in all honesty more often that not. Didn't you enjoy the length of the field goals we were scoring earlier in the season. Some of the games in the early part were the best we've played since the promotion season, then the injuries kicked in
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 23:40:38 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 24, 2021 23:40:38 GMT 1
I'm not for sacking him, he's done ok with what he has at his disposal but to say you've 'loved the way' we've played at times is staggering for me as we've been nothing but absolutely pedestrian even in games we've won, it's almost never been exciting probably the Boro home game and Swansea have been exciting to watch, we get caught in possession constantly, we needlessly pass it sideways and backwards constantly, it's as dull as ditch water in all honesty more often that not. Didn't you enjoy the length of the field goals we were scoring earlier in the season. Some of the games in the early part were the best we've played since the promotion season, then the injuries kicked in It's ok, just seems all too bloody slow for my liking. It reminds of Italian football where they are stroking it around at walking pace. Which were the length of field goals we scored? I must have dozed off.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 24, 2021 23:49:45 GMT 1
I'm not for sacking him, he's done ok with what he has at his disposal but to say you've 'loved the way' we've played at times is staggering for me as we've been nothing but absolutely pedestrian even in games we've won, it's almost never been exciting probably the Boro home game and Swansea have been exciting to watch, we get caught in possession constantly, we needlessly pass it sideways and backwards constantly, it's as dull as ditch water in all honesty more often that not. Didn't you enjoy the length of the field goals we were scoring earlier in the season. Some of the games in the early part were the best we've played since the promotion season, then the injuries kicked in When we have played with progressive pace we’ve looked really good. When we resort to possession for possessions sake it’s like watching paint dry. Unfortunately you never never know which team is going to turn out. And with a paper thin squad and no starting 11 never mind a bench to play with then the chances of an exciting performance or win is getting less and less Our starting 11 is so weak every single one needs to be at 100% to even give us a chance
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 24, 2021 23:51:12 GMT 1
Didn't you enjoy the length of the field goals we were scoring earlier in the season. Some of the games in the early part were the best we've played since the promotion season, then the injuries kicked in It's ok, just seems all too bloody slow for my liking. It reminds of Italian football where they are stroking it around at walking pace. Which were the length of field goals we scored? I must have dozed off. Derby at home certainly springs to mind and I think there were 3 others - maybe QPR game?
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Paul Cook
Feb 24, 2021 23:53:52 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 24, 2021 23:53:52 GMT 1
It's ok, just seems all too bloody slow for my liking. It reminds of Italian football where they are stroking it around at walking pace. Which were the length of field goals we scored? I must have dozed off. Derby at home certainly springs to mind and I think there were 3 others - maybe QPR game? Ah yes, the Derby goal was a decent sweeping move, although 4 goals is not a great return.
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Paul Cook
Feb 25, 2021 0:05:11 GMT 1
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Post by tockyterrier on Feb 25, 2021 0:05:11 GMT 1
So what ive taken from this thread is that although we were mostly surprised that Cowley Bros were sacked, we were all "in CC we trust" up to Cristmas and glad that PH had the bollox to make such a brave decision.
Now, many if the same people seem to be saying CC has to go, PH is incompetent for appointing him and is interfering (what evidence do we have of this?)
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 25, 2021 3:54:20 GMT 1
With the squad depth and injuries we have, I find it remarkable when we get anything out of games. (the team sheet comparison reminds me of the Premier League years sometimes). I question the high-intensity training when we have such a compressed season, surely we're shooting ourselves in the foot a bit here?
I also think it's no surprise that these young players are burning out a bit towards the end. Their consistency was obviously going to fluctuate, most young players hit dips after a few games, and as they've never had a full season of this level of football they're shot to bits understandably.
I don't blame the players, and I can't really fault CC (Although training intensity is questionable). The problem to me is we've played it safe with our finances due to being hamstrung with the high earners, and it's looking like it might not be enough to get over the line. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, we could have probably made some short term fixes that were a bit more impactful.
I genuinely think the next few months will determine the club's future for another decade. Escape relegation, shed the expired contracts and we'll have the cash flow to compete in the Championship. But if we do go down it will be a long way back, and I REALLY don't want to go through that again.
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 25, 2021 7:58:42 GMT 1
Cook is too savvy and experienced a manager to consider working with Phil. Carlos was probably naive taking the job. He has to work under some really tough budgeting constraints without having the voice and influence of being a true manager; which is of course, exactly the situation Phil wants. We have a poor squad that is continually being weakened in order to bring the wage bill down. It really doesn’t matter who we appoint as coach/manager, unless there’s a total change in the mindset of the owner as to what constitutes a viable budget in this league then the outcome is inevitable
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Post by lesgirondins on Feb 25, 2021 8:23:07 GMT 1
Spot on post Galphamer. Never ceases to amaze me that many posters on here fail to make the link between the impact of high wages & parachute payments (which are there to protect against that impact) going to DH.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Feb 25, 2021 9:27:26 GMT 1
Reckon the last two posts have hit the nail on the head.
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