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Post by ball on Feb 24, 2021 12:29:40 GMT 1
Has no-one ever considered it could be poor coaching by Paul Clements? Lossl had detractors, Hamer, Schofield and Perreira all had gaffes. The one constant has been Clements. Thoughts? I think most goalkeepers have regular issues and flaws it just gets noticed more when they’re playing for your team week in week out. Think that’s me saying I don’t think Clements is necessarily an issue but I was surprised in the summer when we got rid of Iga and Hudson for being involved with a squad with a losing mentality that Clements was staying. Maybe it was offered them all to leave and Iga and Hudson chose to go knowing what was coming? Or maybe Clements is rated so highly they couldn’t let him go
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Post by leftbacklegion on Feb 24, 2021 12:40:39 GMT 1
It's been mentioned already, and heavily debated on Sky Sports re Allison & De Gea that the Goalkeeper is one of the most important, if not, the most important position. A safe, steady pair of hands puts the whole team at ease and breeds confidence. Last line of defence and all that.
As a young fan in the 90s I idolised Steve Francis, Steve Harper and Nico, and all three are remembered fondly by most fans. After that it got a bit messy. Under Wadsworth we had an inexperienced bean pole in nets and we were relegated that season - sound familiar. Then later the emergence of Smithies, who when he left still wasn't in his prime. But at least we had Bennett on the bench who was a seasoned pro and would have been a great mentor.
Lossl did his part in the Premiership, but we even managed to bungle that situation with his contract. Aside from Lossl we haven't signed a permanent 1st team goalkeeper for years.
Ward did ok on loan and will always be remembered for his penalty heroics but was young and inconsistent. Then Lossl as mentioned. But Grabara, another young goalkeeper with no real experience, and never looked assured. This season we had to try and milk some form and consistency out of Hamer because we're cheap, loan yet another incompetent keeper from Man Utd reserves to provide backup, whilst grooming Scofield at the same time.
Scofield just doesn't look like a prototypical goalkeeper. Reminds me of those tall boy inflatables outside car dealerships. And not using your height for crosses is just unacceptable. He's just not ready, which isn't his fault, but he WAS at fault for Derbys first goal, if he comes out and claims the cross then the danger would be averted. He should have stuck 3 in the wall against Swansea and not 2, then flapped at the free-kick. Decent shot-stopper and kept us in a few games but has cost us more goals.
A No1 goalkeeper has to be No1 priority.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 24, 2021 13:16:21 GMT 1
I’d agree with previous posts that he made some good saves earlier this season but I observed on most occasions that our opponents would not have been able to shoot if Schofield had dealt with the cross earlier in the move. He’s only comfortable stood on his line and often behind it!
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Post by 28901 on Feb 24, 2021 14:37:30 GMT 1
It's been mentioned already, and heavily debated on Sky Sports re Allison & De Gea that the Goalkeeper is one of the most important, if not, the most important position. A safe, steady pair of hands puts the whole team at ease and breeds confidence. Last line of defence and all that. As a young fan in the 90s I idolised Steve Francis, Steve Harper and Nico, and all three are remembered fondly by most fans. After that it got a bit messy. Under Wadsworth we had an inexperienced bean pole in nets and we were relegated that season - sound familiar. Then later the emergence of Smithies, who when he left still wasn't in his prime. But at least we had Bennett on the bench who was a seasoned pro and would have been a great mentor. Lossl did his part in the Premiership, but we even managed to bungle that situation with his contract. Aside from Lossl we haven't signed a permanent 1st team goalkeeper for years. Ward did ok on loan and will always be remembered for his penalty heroics but was young and inconsistent. Then Lossl as mentioned. But Grabara, another young goalkeeper with no real experience, and never looked assured. This season we had to try and milk some form and consistency out of Hamer because we're cheap, loan yet another incompetent keeper from Man Utd reserves to provide backup, whilst grooming Scofield at the same time. Scofield just doesn't look like a prototypical goalkeeper. Reminds me of those tall boy inflatables outside car dealerships. And not using your height for crosses is just unacceptable. He's just not ready, which isn't his fault, but he WAS at fault for Derbys first goal, if he comes out and claims the cross then the danger would be averted. He should have stuck 3 in the wall against Swansea and not 2, then flapped at the free-kick. Decent shot-stopper and kept us in a few games but has cost us more goals. A No1 goalkeeper has to be No1 priority. Francis was just a bit too short. Thats the only thing that prevented him being a premier league keeper.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 24, 2021 17:40:16 GMT 1
Anyone who makes it to first team professional level ss a keeper can save shots.
Then add taking crosses and for me that will do.
Those that do the above and can play out from the back are few and far between, see the hundreds of goals conceded by most teams by keepers aresing it up.
They wont come here.
Get one that can command the area and that will do for now.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 24, 2021 19:13:24 GMT 1
Great post above about the importance of a good number one who can install confidence in the rest of the team. We did the opposite and are constantly trying to do things on the cheap.
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Post by marshterrier on Feb 24, 2021 21:35:21 GMT 1
Mmmm remember Tim Clarke?
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Post by mickh on Feb 24, 2021 21:38:12 GMT 1
Ryan is not confident, he does not trust himself and has no instinct for crosses. So, he is in 2 minds looking to get it 'right'. Hence a really good shot stopper, working on instinct and impulse, no time to think. But on crosses, 50 / 50's. He is worried about getting it wrong, and freezes as a result, caught in 2 minds, thats the problem, He is young and could turn into a brilliant keeper. But the pressure he is under with town in the position they are, is too much for him right now. But that's club management for you. Get rid of Hamer and shave off a few bucks off the bill. And they talk about long term. Well then, please give Ryan a break and proper career planning if you actually are thinking long term. He is a number 2. Get in a number 1 for him to learn and grow with.
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Post by bluestripe on Feb 24, 2021 21:49:24 GMT 1
Ryan is not confident, he does not trust himself and has no instinct for crosses. So, he is in 2 minds looking to get it 'right'. Hence a really good shot stopper, working on instinct and impulse, no time to think. But on crosses, 50 / 50's. He is worried about getting it wrong, and freezes as a result, caught in 2 minds, thats the problem, He is young and could turn into a brilliant keeper. But the pressure he is under with town in the position they are, is too much for him right now. But that's club management for you. Get rid of Hamer and shave off a few bucks off the bill. And they talk about long term. Well then, please give Ryan a break and proper career planning if you actually are thinking long term. He is a number 2. Get in a number 1 for him to learn and grow with. I don't buy this "learn as a No 2 approach". That only goes so far. Schofield needs games at the right level, which is probably not Championship at the current time. But I still think he can make it. Smithies had plenty of detractors on here, when he left, but he has matured into a top Championship keeper.
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Post by mickh on Feb 24, 2021 22:35:49 GMT 1
Ryan is not confident, he does not trust himself and has no instinct for crosses. So, he is in 2 minds looking to get it 'right'. Hence a really good shot stopper, working on instinct and impulse, no time to think. But on crosses, 50 / 50's. He is worried about getting it wrong, and freezes as a result, caught in 2 minds, thats the problem, He is young and could turn into a brilliant keeper. But the pressure he is under with town in the position they are, is too much for him right now. But that's club management for you. Get rid of Hamer and shave off a few bucks off the bill. And they talk about long term. Well then, please give Ryan a break and proper career planning if you actually are thinking long term. He is a number 2. Get in a number 1 for him to learn and grow with. I don't buy this "learn as a No 2 approach". That only goes so far. Schofield needs games at the right level, which is probably not Championship at the current time. But I still think he can make it. Smithies had plenty of detractors on here, when he left, but he has matured into a top Championship keeper.
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Post by 65terrier on Feb 24, 2021 22:38:52 GMT 1
Young players (in all positions) will suffer dips in form in their first season. This is magnified as a keeper, your mistakes usually lead to the concession of goals. A good manager would relieve the burden on his Younger players by resting (not dropping) them at times when dips of form are starting. The fact that this hasn’t happened with Ryan Schofield is affecting his confidence and progress. If ever there was a game to rest him it is v Preston. This, of course, depends on the quality of the replacement available.
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Post by mickh on Feb 24, 2021 22:39:38 GMT 1
Fair play. Going out on loan, I would go with that. He has real potential. So the powers that be need to look after that talent by putting their hands in their pockets.
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Post by ram on Feb 25, 2021 11:47:11 GMT 1
The trouble is Schofield shits himself because of the defence,or lack of,Infront of him.And the defence shits itself because of the crap goalie behind them
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Post by ram on Feb 25, 2021 11:48:45 GMT 1
Replace both and we have cracked it!
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Post by runner76 on Feb 25, 2021 12:27:10 GMT 1
Replace both and we have cracked it! + a goal scorer will help
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 25, 2021 12:40:31 GMT 1
I'd say send him on a season loan to league 1/2 next season but the way things are going there's a good chance he wouldn't need to leave to get league 1 football next season.
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Post by alexdire on Feb 25, 2021 14:42:30 GMT 1
Mmmm remember Tim Clarke? No I don't remember Coco, but others do ;-) There was a whole compilation video but its disappeared.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Feb 25, 2021 14:49:23 GMT 1
Didn't Corberán used to be a goalkeeper in his playing days?
You'd think this area of the team would be the one he'd have most knowledge about.
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Post by wigster on Feb 25, 2021 14:53:16 GMT 1
Mmmm remember Tim Clarke? Ah, Tim Clarke... a very tall goalkeeper but actually not too bad at getting down to low shots. He only had problems when he had decisions to make - should I come/stay on the line ? Is that going wide? Should I punch/catch ? Is that going over ? Will I get there first ? ANY decisions... In my opinion the worst goalkeeper we have ever had !
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Post by oldrain on Feb 25, 2021 15:05:02 GMT 1
Needs a loan in Div 2 or 1 to bulk up and learn his trade we are lucky that Sarr wins a lot of balls that Schofield should deal with problem is teams are have already sussed this out and will put all set pieces on top of our six yard box we can’t be soft or sentimental about the situation change now before it becomes a bigger problem UTT
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Feb 25, 2021 16:18:11 GMT 1
Would take an experienced keeper over a young one everytime. Sure there's examples to contrary but overall its the safest option. No need to worry about building for years ahead, when it comes to the nets go and get a wiser head every couple of seasons. Like many I preferred Ian Bennet over Smithies at that time. They usually get better with age.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 25, 2021 16:28:26 GMT 1
Would take an experienced keeper over a young one everytime. Sure there's examples to contrary but overall its the safest option. No need to worry about building for years ahead, when it comes to the nets go and get a wiser head every couple of seasons. Like many I preferred Ian Bennet over Smithies at that time. They usually get better with age. Good point. Schofield has years ahead of him. We need experience in goal not potential.
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Post by benhomly on Feb 25, 2021 16:32:12 GMT 1
Would take an experienced keeper over a young one everytime. Sure there's examples to contrary but overall its the safest option. No need to worry about building for years ahead, when it comes to the nets go and get a wiser head every couple of seasons. Like many I preferred Ian Bennet over Smithies at that time. They usually get better with age. Good point. Schofield has years ahead of him. We need experience in goal not potential. Yes but our strategy now is develop them and sell them big when they're good so I suggest we'll have a crap goalie for a while yet
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Post by Mecha Corte on Feb 25, 2021 17:34:11 GMT 1
Mmmm remember Tim Clarke? And Scot Bevan.
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Post by pterrier on Mar 2, 2021 22:54:15 GMT 1
Another calamity performance tonight; enough is enough.
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Post by wigster on Mar 2, 2021 23:00:51 GMT 1
Another calamity performance tonight; enough is enough. I would have to agree but apparently the other two are even worse ? Is EVERYBODY who's cocked things up in the last 3 years, and shown themselves to be inept, still being employed at Town ? Was anybody given their marching orders ?
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Post by rugbyterrier on Mar 2, 2021 23:09:08 GMT 1
Mmmm remember Tim Clarke? And Scot Bevan. Crap but better than this lad.
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Post by boooothy on Mar 2, 2021 23:22:23 GMT 1
IF we survive this season at least this is an eye opener for those making decisions that we actually need a proper keeper next season.
Of all the cost cutting exercises, this seems the daftest one of them all.
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Post by 28901 on Mar 2, 2021 23:23:00 GMT 1
Without any doubt the situation is causing far more of our problems than any other. Its causing the shocking defensive errors, the panicing, the bad passing, the utter drain in confidence we've seen since before Christmas. Getting rid of Hamer was an absolute disaster that the club are going to pay for big style. Something I can't actually believe I've just typed.
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Post by pterrier on Mar 2, 2021 23:25:04 GMT 1
IF we survive this season at least this is an eye opener for those making decisions that we actually need a proper keeper next season. Of all the cost cutting exercises, this seems the daftest one of them all. What concerns me is what made the powers that be ever think he was good enough in the first place? He’s always looked awful. Never seen a keeper with such bad positional sense, inability to come off his line, catch a ball or distribute so poorly with his feet. Added to that he’s so physically weak. Pretty much the personification of the club’s current ethos.
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