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Post by Stavros on Feb 25, 2021 17:25:17 GMT 1
Change the criteria in your original statement then  Obviously clubs like Everton have not been in a position to win automatic promotion. There isn't anyone, not that I can think of. Coventry City.....if I'm allowed to not count a season that was abandoned part way through. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 17:50:19 GMT 1
The south stand rumour will be confirmed more than likely at the next ATT meeting The only justification (from the club’s point of view) for that must be to save on stewarding costs. What other benefit would there be? It’d be a very bad move by the club, but nothing surprises me about it nowadays. Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 25, 2021 17:53:20 GMT 1
The only justification (from the club’s point of view) for that must be to save on stewarding costs. What other benefit would there be? It’d be a very bad move by the club, but nothing surprises me about it nowadays. Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I've stood in the Kilner bank pretty much since the stadium opened & I've never been told to sit down. That whole corner stands all game. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 25, 2021 17:57:29 GMT 1
The only justification (from the club’s point of view) for that must be to save on stewarding costs. What other benefit would there be? It’d be a very bad move by the club, but nothing surprises me about it nowadays. Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I think if the club were to go down this route it would be such a backwards step for the club and will definitely confirm for a fair few the renewal decision . Could the club be so stupid who knows we will soon find out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 17:59:09 GMT 1
Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I've stood in the Kilner bank pretty much since the stadium opened & I've never been told to sit down. That whole corner stands all game. Assuming you mean the corner next to the South Stand, I don't like that view. I used to sit a block further in (in line with the edge of the penalty area or maybe just a bit further out) - where folk are definitely seated at about the distance from the pitch that I prefer - I wouldn't go further away from the centre of the pitch than that down the edge (just like I'm within 15 or so fans of the away fans currently, as I don't like the view from out wider on that edge of a pitch either). |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 25, 2021 18:03:37 GMT 1
I've stood in the Kilner bank pretty much since the stadium opened & I've never been told to sit down. That whole corner stands all game. Assuming you mean the corner next to the South Stand, I don't like that view. I used to sit a block further in (in line with the edge of the penalty area or maybe just a bit further out) - where folk are definitely seated at about the distance from the pitch that I prefer - I wouldn't go further away from the centre of the pitch than that down the edge (just like I'm within 15 or so fans of the away fans currently, as I don't like the view from out wider on that edge of a pitch either). The old away end converting half for home fans was a genius decision has done wonders for promoting a decent atmosphere at home. Clubs are crying out for this elsewhere, Man Utd have even tried something similar for atmosphere purposes. What clueless moron would possibly try to now take this away ? Seriously!! |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 25, 2021 18:05:52 GMT 1
Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I think if the club were to go down this route it would be such a backwards step for the club and will definitely confirm for a fair few the renewal decision . Could the club be so stupid who knows we will soon find out. I think the answer to your last sentence is “yes”, the club probably is that stupid. |
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Post by Hoggy on Feb 25, 2021 18:07:46 GMT 1
The only justification (from the club’s point of view) for that must be to save on stewarding costs. What other benefit would there be? It’d be a very bad move by the club, but nothing surprises me about it nowadays. Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I agree it would be the wrong decision and I also have a season ticket in the South Stand. However, if true, I imagine Phil's decision will rest on the number of season ticket holders. If we get 10,000 ST holders, add on your general sale purchases and even then there will be thousands of empty seats. Giving the away fans 4000 which will be taken up by a fair few clubs in the division will bring in more revenue. However, on the flip side like you have said it could decrease the number of season ticket holders purchasing a ticket anyway. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 25, 2021 18:16:43 GMT 1
Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I agree it would be the wrong decision and I also have a season ticket in the South Stand. However, if true, I imagine Phil's decision will rest on the number of season ticket holders. If we get 10,000 ST holders, add on your general sale purchases and even then there will be thousands of empty seats. Giving the away fans 4000 which will be taken up by a fair few clubs in the division will bring in more revenue. However, on the flip side like you have said it could decrease the number of season ticket holders purchasing a ticket anyway. Once a season ticket isn’t renewed , the average fan may not renew for years, not only that the south stand as a young and old fan base, the young ones could be lost forever. The knock on effect is throughout the stadium it could easily go back to the old sterile days down at the ground, it could stop people in other stands getting ST . Surely the club couldn’t be so short sighted, it’s boardering on desperation. I can’t believe the club could be so stupid. personally think this is absolute bullshit . |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 25, 2021 18:26:17 GMT 1
How so? That would drastically reduce capacity for Town fans and lose all the atmosphere. The south stand rumour will be confirmed more than likely at the next ATT meeting If this happens I'm done with this circus. Not that I sit in there. But the effort to get in there in the first place & the atmosphere it creates. The fans that go in there are an absolute credit & make the match day experience so much better & help bring the whole stadium together.That will be another nail in the clubs coffin. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 25, 2021 18:30:49 GMT 1
The south stand rumour will be confirmed more than likely at the next ATT meeting If this happens I'm done with this circus. Not that I sit in there. But the effort to get in there in the first place & the atmosphere it creates. The fans that go in there are an absolute credit & make the match day experience so much better & help bring the whole stadium together.That will be another nail in the clubs coffin. Well said sir! But don’t worry this would be suicidal for the club, it’s bullshit. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 25, 2021 18:36:15 GMT 1
Change the criteria in your original statement then Obviously clubs like Everton have not been in a position to win automatic promotion. There isn't anyone, not that I can think of. Ok so we are removing clubs in the top flight, removing play off wins...what next, remove any club with vowels? You can’t say our club has not had promotion success as we clearly have. Numerous times. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Feb 25, 2021 19:15:42 GMT 1
No way they would do this. Not even this lot.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 25, 2021 20:08:44 GMT 1
Change the criteria in your original statement then It's like saying we went on an unbeaten run for 43 games, apart from the games we lost * only joking art Don't get me started about that bloody unbeaten run. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 25, 2021 20:14:21 GMT 1
Obviously clubs like Everton have not been in a position to win automatic promotion. There isn't anyone, not that I can think of. Ok so we are removing clubs in the top flight, removing play off wins...what next, remove any club with vowels? You can’t say our club has not had promotion success as we clearly have. Numerous times. I'm not saying you had to remove clubs in the top flight but clearly clubs like Everton, Arsensl and Liverpool have been top flight long term so have never been in a position win an automatic promotion. Honestly every club in the league has won an automatic promotion since our last one. Although I guess on 3 occasions we would have won one in play off seasons when we finished 3rd and I guess in League 2 there is an extra auto place up for grabs too but even then we fluffed our lines for that one. It's quite an unbelievable stat, probably only Coventry would be a contender but they did win one last term by default I guess. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 25, 2021 22:13:29 GMT 1
Well that probably makes my 50-50 decision to renew or not a little easier I guess. 🙃 I've stood at *all* home matches since we went in there, plus roughly the 3 seasons prior to that where I stood on the back row of the North Stand Lower without upsetting anyone and without a steward asking me not to. Its bad enough having to sit down stand up sit down at away games and try not to annoy random folk who (quite rightly) want to be able to sit down and watch the game if thats their preference...but I ain't going through that palaver at home games too. Not interested in moving back in to the North Stand Lower, and I don't think any of the other stands are appropriately set up to allow for safe standing without annoying plenty of folk either side who don't want to stand up - unless somehow an entire stand is to be given up and allowed to self-police itself ? Hopefully this isn't right. Standing up amongst like-minded folk might sound like a nothingness thing, but its just one of the little things that contributes to overall experience and enjoyment of a match day, and would almost certainly be a tipping point for me given I've kind of been on the edge of renewing or not pretty much since the second season in the EPL. I agree it would be the wrong decision and I also have a season ticket in the South Stand. However, if true, I imagine Phil's decision will rest on the number of season ticket holders. If we get 10,000 ST holders, add on your general sale purchases and even then there will be thousands of empty seats. Giving the away fans 4000 which will be taken up by a fair few clubs in the division will bring in more revenue. However, on the flip side like you have said it could decrease the number of season ticket holders purchasing a ticket anyway. Seriously, how many clubs in league 1, or even the Championship if by some miracle we stay up, will bring more than 2400 away fans (what we gave away support in the prem). My guess (other than very unusual circumstances such as a visiting team needing to win to go up or stay up) using the teams currently in those leagues: Sunderland Boro (at a push) Sheff Wed Derby (maybe) Forest (maybe) Barnsley (poss) Stoke? |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 25, 2021 22:15:42 GMT 1
What a stupid, short sighted decision it would be to give up the South Stand.
On that basis I can definitely see the current regime doing it 😁
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 25, 2021 22:18:09 GMT 1
Ok so we are removing clubs in the top flight, removing play off wins...what next, remove any club with vowels? You can’t say our club has not had promotion success as we clearly have. Numerous times. I'm not saying you had to remove clubs in the top flight but clearly clubs like Everton, Arsensl and Liverpool have been top flight long term so have never been in a position win an automatic promotion. Honestly every club in the league has won an automatic promotion since our last one. Although I guess on 3 occasions we would have won one in play off seasons when we finished 3rd and I guess in League 2 there is an extra auto place up for grabs too but even then we fluffed our lines for that one. It's quite an unbelievable stat, probably only Coventry would be a contender but they did win one last term by default I guess. I agree with what you were saying originally. Perhaps it is easier to say. We are (unless someone can prove me wrong) the only team in the football league currently who have not finished in the top 2 of any division in which they have competed in the last 40 years. There were 2 of us but Cov were awarded 1st place on a points per game basis last season - they had gone over 50 years since they had previously finished in the top 2. I happen to think that, given the leagues in which we have been competing, that is an appalling record. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 25, 2021 22:23:13 GMT 1
I'm not saying you had to remove clubs in the top flight but clearly clubs like Everton, Arsensl and Liverpool have been top flight long term so have never been in a position win an automatic promotion. Honestly every club in the league has won an automatic promotion since our last one. Although I guess on 3 occasions we would have won one in play off seasons when we finished 3rd and I guess in League 2 there is an extra auto place up for grabs too but even then we fluffed our lines for that one. It's quite an unbelievable stat, probably only Coventry would be a contender but they did win one last term by default I guess. I agree with what you were saying originally. Perhaps it is easier to say. We are (unless someone can prove me wrong) the only team in the football league currently who have not finished in the top 2 of any division in which they have competed in the last 40 years. There were 2 of us but Cov were awarded 1st place on a points per game basis last season - they had gone over 50 years since they had previously finished in the top 2. I happen to think that, given the leagues in which we have been competing, that is an appalling record. To be fair to Coventry they did spend a long long time in the top flight since that last automatic promotion. |
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Post by birchencliffe on Feb 25, 2021 22:29:57 GMT 1
Apparently the away fans will have the whole away end from next season so no south stand , I've seen people on twitter talking on it so idk if its true or false From a financial position it makes perfect sense to capitalise on bums on seats and less stewarding costs |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 25, 2021 22:34:10 GMT 1
What a stupid, short sighted decision it would be to give up the South Stand. On that basis I can definitely see the current regime doing it 😁 If this is the case, it’s the final nail in the coffin for the good times we had a few years ago. Integral to the superb atmosphere in the ground, even in the few games under Cowley, before the lockdowns. I just hope this is speculation and not the truth. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 25, 2021 22:46:20 GMT 1
What a stupid, short sighted decision it would be to give up the South Stand. On that basis I can definitely see the current regime doing it 😁 If this is the case, it’s the final nail in the coffin for the good times we had a few years ago. Integral to the superb atmosphere in the ground, even in the few games under Cowley, before the lockdowns. I just hope this is speculation and not the truth. If ever there was a case of a twelfth man in the stands, the South Stand did that during the Wagner era. To throw that away would be madness. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 25, 2021 22:53:51 GMT 1
If this is the case, it’s the final nail in the coffin for the good times we had a few years ago. Integral to the superb atmosphere in the ground, even in the few games under Cowley, before the lockdowns. I just hope this is speculation and not the truth. If ever there was a case of a twelfth man in the stands, the South Stand did that during the Wagner era. To throw that away would be madness. I agree. And would be final confirmation of how far apart the club has become from its fans. I don’t sit in the SS but can totally appreciate it’s importance. Will await further news on this with interest . |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 25, 2021 23:09:38 GMT 1
Wow, I know things aren’t going swimmingly at the moment but turning promotions into a negative is scraping the barrel for something to be critical about!! Deary me!
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Post by willo on Feb 26, 2021 1:36:42 GMT 1
Assuming you mean the corner next to the South Stand, I don't like that view. I used to sit a block further in (in line with the edge of the penalty area or maybe just a bit further out) - where folk are definitely seated at about the distance from the pitch that I prefer - I wouldn't go further away from the centre of the pitch than that down the edge (just like I'm within 15 or so fans of the away fans currently, as I don't like the view from out wider on that edge of a pitch either). The old away end converting half for home fans was a genius decision has done wonders for promoting a decent atmosphere at home. Clubs are crying out for this elsewhere, Man Utd have even tried something similar for atmosphere purposes. What clueless moron would possibly try to now take this away ? Seriously!! Surely not true, it would be a spectacular OG even for our club! Would be the final nail in the coffin for plenty too. |
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Post by rooo on Feb 26, 2021 10:53:24 GMT 1
The south stand rumour will be confirmed more than likely at the next ATT meeting The only justification (from the club’s point of view) for that must be to save on stewarding costs. What other benefit would there be? It’d be a very bad move by the club, but nothing surprises me about it nowadays. This rumour is total bullsh*t |
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Post by jimmyhtfc on Feb 26, 2021 13:02:52 GMT 1
I think if the club were to go down this route it would be such a backwards step for the club and will definitely confirm for a fair few the renewal decision . Could the club be so stupid who knows we will soon find out. I think the answer to your last sentence is “yes”, the club probably is that stupid. I hope this is just a rumour and nothing more. This would massively backfire on Town as so much work was put in to create a better atmosphere! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 13:10:42 GMT 1
I strongly suspect social distancing will be with us for a while longer, even into next season. If that were the case, it's entirely possible they'd have to open up the whole of that end, to be able to make available the required number of tickets.
Not saying that's definitely the case, and it's definitely not something I want to see - but it might, y'know, not be something to get angry at the club about.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 26, 2021 13:20:38 GMT 1
I think the club are misjudging the situation, to offer only a price freeze to those already shelling out £250 not to see any live football is equivalent to next years season ticket costing them £498.... WOW.
Worse than that it would hint at the cost of regular season tickets been above £249..... in a situation where people have been stung once, im not sure how many will get stung twice, very real prospect of social distancing again next winter, reduced capacity, local lockdowns etc etc. The club should be incentivising not expecting fans to turn up "Because they have missed the dreadful performances"
Another own goal from those at the club, disconnected from reality on the ground.
Ill buy my season ticket when 15000 others have done so..... Not going to an empty ground, no south stand and watching a dreadful team.
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Post by midge on Feb 26, 2021 13:36:00 GMT 1
I think the club are misjudging the situation, to offer only a price freeze to those already shelling out £250 not to see any live football is equivalent to next years season ticket costing them £498.... WOW. Worse than that it would hint at the cost of regular season tickets been above £249..... in a situation where people have been stung once, im not sure how many will get stung twice, very real prospect of social distancing again next winter, reduced capacity, local lockdowns etc etc. The club should be incentivising not expecting fans to turn up "Because they have missed the dreadful performances" Another own goal from those at the club, disconnected from reality on the ground. Ill buy my season ticket when 15000 others have done so..... Not going to an empty ground, no south stand and watching a dreadful team. I reckon At £498 you might struggle to get a ST at many other Championship clubs! Sheff Weds I know are £600 plus. If the club are at fault for anything it is offering STs to cheap for so long, fans have forgotten this and taken low prices for granted! |
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