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Post by boooothy on Apr 21, 2021 23:24:42 GMT 1
Barnsley decided to shoot from corners. That’s all you need to know about our keeper.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 21, 2021 23:32:03 GMT 1
That’s the point exactly. A Championship level keeper learns his trade out on loan before becoming a No1. Smithies didn't....I genuinely don't know what the answer is for Schofield. I think moving from.playing most of this season in the championship, which must and should teach you so many lessons, to being on loan at Ipswich or such like in League One might mean he never makes it. On the other side, can we build a season better than this one with him? I don't know....gut instint is to say stick with him Smithies had 127 appearances in league and cup at League 1 level in the 5 seasons to 2011/12 (playing 2,28,55,27 and 15 games respectively). So Schofield has been thrown in at the deeper end relatively speaking. No reason why he can't emulate Smithies and be a good keeper at this level. Persevere, or L1 loan where he is going to be number 1 for the season. But clearly we need 2 keepers in the summer to replace Leutwiler and Pereira. Does anybody know what the situation is with Leutwiler?
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Post by Convictatthemac on Apr 22, 2021 2:30:00 GMT 1
I agree with the calls of Schofield needing to get some strength, but I think he also needs to learn how to use his body weight. Personally think he could do with some martial arts/grappling training, specifically targeted to using your body weight as leverage or quite simply as a battering ram. I know some of the purists will laugh at this suggestion, but he really needs to learn how to get people out of his way efficiently.
And no, I’m not asking him to go all karate kid on the striker 🤣
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 22, 2021 6:45:18 GMT 1
Everyone seems to want to blame the defence for Schofields problems. I think its just as much a case of the defence being extremely unsure about where Schofield is going to be and having zero confidence in him to claim balls and take the pressure off
Compare it to the Barnsley keeper last night and their defence were able to play quite a high line as any ball in behind he was straight on to it sweeping up. That alone is massive for a defender knowing you have that safety net behind you
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 22, 2021 6:54:53 GMT 1
Everyone seems to want to blame the defence for Schofields problems. I think its just as much a case of the defence being extremely unsure about where Schofield is going to be and having zero confidence in him to claim balls and take the pressure off Compare it to the Barnsley keeper last night and their defence were able to play quite a high line as any ball in behind he was straight on to it sweeping up. That alone is massive for a defender knowing you have that safety net behind you Agree - he was cleaning things up 30 yards outside his box. Schofield was still on his line when long punts were landing in his box. Talk of him going to League 1 on loan? I honestly wouldn't want him in league 2. Smithies was way ahead of this lad in terms of confidence and decision making. I'm certain he won't be a professional footballer in a few years time.
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Post by bogart on Apr 22, 2021 9:13:27 GMT 1
Rabbit in the headlights.
Where has Luetwiler got to? We keep naming Pereira seems to be the only sub ever listed and we know how good he is.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 22, 2021 9:20:33 GMT 1
The fact that our recruitment team must have found a worse GK than Pereira is actually incredible. You just have to look at the stats he has had on the loans he has had while at Man Utd - he's hardly played wherever he has been. How is it possible to have found a GK that cannot displace him from the bench?
There is a massive overhaul needed this summer with so many players leaving, do you trust our current team to do it well?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 22, 2021 10:25:01 GMT 1
Everyone seems to want to blame the defence for Schofields problems. I think its just as much a case of the defence being extremely unsure about where Schofield is going to be and having zero confidence in him to claim balls and take the pressure off Compare it to the Barnsley keeper last night and their defence were able to play quite a high line as any ball in behind he was straight on to it sweeping up. That alone is massive for a defender knowing you have that safety net behind you Agree - he was cleaning things up 30 yards outside his box. Schofield was still on his line when long punts were landing in his box. Talk of him going to League 1 on loan? I honestly wouldn't want him in league 2. Smithies was way ahead of this lad in terms of confidence and decision making. I'm certain he won't be a professional footballer in a few years time. Yes that’s the problem. He stays on his line and therefore does not have the ability to narrow angles when players are in a shooting position. Someone put his “saves “ stats up the other day. I’d guess half of them wouldn’t have resulted in a shot if he wasn’t permanently super glued to his line.
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Post by Galpharmer on Apr 22, 2021 10:39:01 GMT 1
Watching the goal again last night, if he'd got to it, it would have already been in anyway. How can he come through football to this stage and not be able to at least give himself a chance to stop the thing? Do Town have a 'keeper coach that might be able to suggest doing things a bit differently?
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Post by Floyds on Apr 22, 2021 10:40:38 GMT 1
I only saw the last 20 minutes or so last night, but Schofield had a shocker during that time. Two or three times at least he made errors from crosses.
He's got no confidence or presence in his 6 yard box, never mind the rest of the penalty area.
We definitely need a new number 1 next season.
Since Bromby only signs ex players, Alex Smithies would be a decent signing.
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 22, 2021 11:42:58 GMT 1
Never ever known a keeper end up behind his goal line as much. Simply not good enough, we need to move him on. Someone mentioned Ruddy is warming the bench at Wolves, would be my number one target this summer.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 22, 2021 11:49:47 GMT 1
Watching the goal again last night, if he'd got to it, it would have already been in anyway. How can he come through football to this stage and not be able to at least give himself a chance to stop the thing? Do Town have a 'keeper coach that might be able to suggest doing things a bit differently? We'll end up with a BOGOF offer with Rhodes. Son plays for us and dad comes in as keeper coach, except he won't be free
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Post by Convictatthemac on Apr 22, 2021 12:07:19 GMT 1
The fact that our recruitment team must have found a worse GK than Pereira is actually incredible. You just have to look at the stats he has had on the loans he has had while at Man Utd - he's hardly played wherever he has been. How is it possible to have found a GK that cannot displace him from the bench? There is a massive overhaul needed this summer with so many players leaving, do you trust our current team to do it well? Unfortunately we are getting what we are paying for. If we want a keeper that is a proper number 1, then we are going to have to pay the dollars and I don’t just mean the transfer fees, I mean our wage structure.
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Post by crux on Apr 22, 2021 16:29:13 GMT 1
I only saw the last 20 minutes or so last night, but Schofield had a shocker during that time. Two or three times at least he made errors from crosses. He's got no confidence or presence in his 6 yard box, never mind the rest of the penalty area. We definitely need a new number 1 next season. Since Bromby only signs ex players, Alex Smithies would be a decent signing. You obviously didn't see his howler the other night 😂. If Schofield had done that this place would have been in meltdown. I think the idea of a very experienced top keeper at the end of his career coming in is a good one. As others have said, Schofield needs to bulk up a little and learn to command his box - more weight/presence will help. He really does need to stand 10 yards further forward for most of the game. It is a weird trait and I wonder whether he has been chipped too easily when younger because he was too far forward.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 22, 2021 16:32:06 GMT 1
I only saw the last 20 minutes or so last night, but Schofield had a shocker during that time. Two or three times at least he made errors from crosses. He's got no confidence or presence in his 6 yard box, never mind the rest of the penalty area. We definitely need a new number 1 next season. Since Bromby only signs ex players, Alex Smithies would be a decent signing. You obviously didn't see his howler the other night 😂. If Schofield had done that this place would have been in meltdown. I think the idea of a very experienced top keeper at the end of his career coming in is a good one. As others have said, Schofield needs to bulk up a little and learn to command his box - more weight/presence will help. He really does need to stand 10 yards further forward for most of the game. It is a weird trait and I wonder whether he has been chipped too easily when younger because he was too far forward. I didn't - and thought he wasn't in the first team this season. In terms of ex goalkeepers we could sign he's probably the best. Unless for experience, we drag Matt Glennon out of retirement! But he was useless 10 years ago or whenever he played.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 22, 2021 16:39:35 GMT 1
If Schofield thinks he'll be getting away with constant time wasting when the fans are back in next season then he's in for a shock. It's one thing to do it when you're seeing a game out that you're winning but to do it in a game we desperately need points in at 0-0 won't wash with the fans. He does it all the time.
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Post by drumriggend on Apr 22, 2021 18:51:04 GMT 1
Yep..
Ryan makes a forward run to get on the goal line..
Said it multiple times..
Is foookin stevie wonder our goalie coach???
The boy doesn’t seem to understand that that line is important..
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 22, 2021 18:56:42 GMT 1
Hate criticising individuals but a new goalkeeper is by far our biggest problem to solve this summer. Schofield might be our future no. 1 but he needs to sort out the way he deals with crosses and high balls, it’s nowhere near good enough for championship football. I should say the rest of his game is more than good enough.
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 22, 2021 19:15:53 GMT 1
Everyone seems to want to blame the defence for Schofields problems. I think its just as much a case of the defence being extremely unsure about where Schofield is going to be and having zero confidence in him to claim balls and take the pressure off Compare it to the Barnsley keeper last night and their defence were able to play quite a high line as any ball in behind he was straight on to it sweeping up. That alone is massive for a defender knowing you have that safety net behind you Agree - he was cleaning things up 30 yards outside his box. Schofield was still on his line when long punts were landing in his box. Talk of him going to League 1 on loan? I honestly wouldn't want him in league 2. Smithies was way ahead of this lad in terms of confidence and decision making. I'm certain he won't be a professional footballer in a few years time. it's funny, my abiding memory of the public opinion on Smithies for the first few years after he broke through was 'good shot stopper but doesn't command his area enough'. I knew Smithies would make it at a high level at the time but not sure about Schofield. He's probably as good a close range shot stopper I've seen in goal for us ever, but his positioning when under pressure from opposition is the worst I've seen from any keeper for a while. I think it'd be poor of the club to show less faith in him than they did Hamer at the start of the season and bin him off. His deficiencies are coachable. I think they'll be masked a bit more with better defenders being signed in the summer as well- he needs another Hamer-type keeper to push him signing as well. But if there's no sign of improvement by next January we need to splash out on a proper first team standard keeper. Until then I'm happy to be patient, he's a local lad, has a great attitude based on what I've heard from him, and has time on his side.
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Post by impact on Apr 22, 2021 20:21:48 GMT 1
Agree - he was cleaning things up 30 yards outside his box. Schofield was still on his line when long punts were landing in his box. Talk of him going to League 1 on loan? I honestly wouldn't want him in league 2. Smithies was way ahead of this lad in terms of confidence and decision making. I'm certain he won't be a professional footballer in a few years time. it's funny, my abiding memory of the public opinion on Smithies for the first few years after he broke through was 'good shot stopper but doesn't command his area enough'. I knew Smithies would make it at a high level at the time but not sure about Schofield. He's probably as good a close range shot stopper I've seen in goal for us ever, but his positioning when under pressure from opposition is the worst I've seen from any keeper for a while. I think it'd be poor of the club to show less faith in him than they did Hamer at the start of the season and bin him off. His deficiencies are coachable. I think they'll be masked a bit more with better defenders being signed in the summer as well- he needs another Hamer-type keeper to push him signing as well. But if there's no sign of improvement by next January we need to splash out on a proper first team standard keeper. Until then I'm happy to be patient, he's a local lad, has a great attitude based on what I've heard from him, and has time on his side. "Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command. But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse.
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Post by rsouls on Apr 22, 2021 21:00:05 GMT 1
it's funny, my abiding memory of the public opinion on Smithies for the first few years after he broke through was 'good shot stopper but doesn't command his area enough'. I knew Smithies would make it at a high level at the time but not sure about Schofield. He's probably as good a close range shot stopper I've seen in goal for us ever, but his positioning when under pressure from opposition is the worst I've seen from any keeper for a while. I think it'd be poor of the club to show less faith in him than they did Hamer at the start of the season and bin him off. His deficiencies are coachable. I think they'll be masked a bit more with better defenders being signed in the summer as well- he needs another Hamer-type keeper to push him signing as well. But if there's no sign of improvement by next January we need to splash out on a proper first team standard keeper. Until then I'm happy to be patient, he's a local lad, has a great attitude based on what I've heard from him, and has time on his side. "Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command. But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse. correct schofield isnt very good,but hes not on his own
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Post by 28901 on Apr 22, 2021 22:26:37 GMT 1
The fact that our recruitment team must have found a worse GK than Pereira is actually incredible. You just have to look at the stats he has had on the loans he has had while at Man Utd - he's hardly played wherever he has been. How is it possible to have found a GK that cannot displace him from the bench? There is a massive overhaul needed this summer with so many players leaving, do you trust our current team to do it well? The fact that Town ended up with three keepers far worse than Ben Hamer is some achievement.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 22, 2021 22:37:31 GMT 1
it's funny, my abiding memory of the public opinion on Smithies for the first few years after he broke through was 'good shot stopper but doesn't command his area enough'. I knew Smithies would make it at a high level at the time but not sure about Schofield. He's probably as good a close range shot stopper I've seen in goal for us ever, but his positioning when under pressure from opposition is the worst I've seen from any keeper for a while. I think it'd be poor of the club to show less faith in him than they did Hamer at the start of the season and bin him off. His deficiencies are coachable. I think they'll be masked a bit more with better defenders being signed in the summer as well- he needs another Hamer-type keeper to push him signing as well. But if there's no sign of improvement by next January we need to splash out on a proper first team standard keeper. Until then I'm happy to be patient, he's a local lad, has a great attitude based on what I've heard from him, and has time on his side. "Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command. But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse. I don’t really understand how he’s got to where he is in his career without getting better at it.
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Post by willo on Apr 23, 2021 0:13:46 GMT 1
Our first signing this summer should be an experienced keeper as it should have been last summer. It really is that simple.
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Post by rphyorks on Apr 23, 2021 0:41:02 GMT 1
Our first signing this summer should be an experienced keeper as it should have been last summer. It really is that simple. i don't think anybody at the club realises that though, the club has a collection of keepers that cannot keep, and a collection of Strikers that cannot strike.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 23, 2021 8:39:49 GMT 1
it's funny, my abiding memory of the public opinion on Smithies for the first few years after he broke through was 'good shot stopper but doesn't command his area enough'. I knew Smithies would make it at a high level at the time but not sure about Schofield. He's probably as good a close range shot stopper I've seen in goal for us ever, but his positioning when under pressure from opposition is the worst I've seen from any keeper for a while. I think it'd be poor of the club to show less faith in him than they did Hamer at the start of the season and bin him off. His deficiencies are coachable. I think they'll be masked a bit more with better defenders being signed in the summer as well- he needs another Hamer-type keeper to push him signing as well. But if there's no sign of improvement by next January we need to splash out on a proper first team standard keeper. Until then I'm happy to be patient, he's a local lad, has a great attitude based on what I've heard from him, and has time on his side. "Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command.But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse. I'm not sure what you mean here, surely it's a phrase that sums up the feeling that, he is not vocal enough, he is rooted to (or behind) his line & he does not come to claim many (if any) crosses. In other words, he is totally reliant on outfielders taking care of any crosses put into the box & he is obviously not in charge of what's happening - he's reactive, not proactive.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 23, 2021 9:47:23 GMT 1
"Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command.But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse. I'm not sure what you mean here, surely it's a phrase that sums up the feeling that, he is not vocal enough, he is rooted to (or behind) his line & he does not come to claim many (if any) crosses. In other words, he is totally reliant on outfielders taking care of any crosses put into the box & he is obviously not in charge of what's happening - he's reactive, not proactive. Exactly. This also means that our defenders get no help from him whatsoever when after all, he is allowed to use his hands. He stands on or behind his line and just watches the action in front of him.
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Post by impact on Apr 23, 2021 10:46:34 GMT 1
"Doesn't command his area enough" is one of the worst phrases on here. No one could ever say what exactly they wanted him to do to command.But even those who thought Smithies should have come for more balls can't claim he's anywhere near as bad as Schofield at it. What you tended to have with Smithies was rash, random mistakes that an 18/19/20 year old is going to have in them. What you're seeing with Schofield is a fundamental issue that isn't being sorted. If anything it's getting worse. I'm not sure what you mean here, surely it's a phrase that sums up the feeling that, he is not vocal enough, he is rooted to (or behind) his line & he does not come to claim many (if any) crosses. In other words, he is totally reliant on outfielders taking care of any crosses put into the box & he is obviously not in charge of what's happening - he's reactive, not proactive. It was a token phrase thrown out at Smithies every time as one of his negatives, but no one could ever say what it actually meant.
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Post by bogart on Apr 24, 2021 14:11:41 GMT 1
Our first signing this summer should be an experienced keeper as it should have been last summer. It really is that simple. Hamer has lots of experience, enough said.
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Post by dm on Apr 24, 2021 14:36:00 GMT 1
Our first signing this summer should be an experienced keeper as it should have been last summer. It really is that simple. Hamer has lots of experience, enough said. Hamer is not a good keeper.
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