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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 10, 2021 11:25:31 GMT 1
Only just come across this: www.bbc.com/sport/football/57414151I think that really will be the end of the whole, sorry affair - obviously, not so much because of their (the owners) agreeing to fork out 20-odd million quid for good purposes, but the reactions of fans everywhere should help persuade them to keep a lid on their greedy, base motives regarding any thoughts on such projects in the future. Surely, even the most beady-eyed of all billionaires wouldn't be daft enough to have another go at any time in the future?
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 10, 2021 11:57:58 GMT 1
The biggest club competition in Europe might be changed to the 'Champions, runners up, also rans, and clubs with most money league'. The Overinflated Egos Cup perhaps? 'The Oti Trophy' has a certain ring to it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 12:05:29 GMT 1
Only just come across this: www.bbc.com/sport/football/57414151I think that really will be the end of the whole, sorry affair - obviously, not so much because of their (the owners) agreeing to fork out 20-odd million quid for good purposes, but the reactions of fans everywhere should help persuade them to keep a lid on their greedy, base motives regarding any thoughts on such projects in the future. Surely, even the most beady-eyed of all billionaires wouldn't be daft enough to have another go at any time in the future? Doubt it's the end of this by a long stretch, myself. They've already shown they couldn't give a shiny shite about the supporters, as long as there's more potential customers elsewhere. The "punishment" is pathetic and spineless, IMO. I assume the justification for a the equivalent of making a millionaire pay a parking ticket is two-fold; 1/ It's a warning against trying it a second time 2/ The £25m and (crucially) a 30-point deduction if they try it again would hit them where it really does hurt. Except....if they tried it again, it wouldn't be a second time - they seem to be hoping people conveniently forget about Project Big Picture, only a few months ago. £25m is still small change, even in the current climate (except perhaps to Spurs, heh). 30 points is meaningless, if the next iteration meant leaving the PL altogether - and I'm convinced it would. £22m? Between the six of them? Should be at least £25m each, along with that 30-point deduction now, not next time. Personally, I'd have relegated them all to non-league, but that's just me!
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Post by townohiofan on Sept 23, 2021 13:32:01 GMT 1
This was announced a couple of days ago in North America. It doesn’t go as far as the Super League would have but I would not be shocked if the people behind that failed idea would try to shoehorn something like this into being an annual competition between the top (or just the wealthiest) European clubs in January of each year. There are a few reasons it would be more difficult to coordinate something like this in Europe (e.g. UEFA would be very against this whereas CONCACAF is so poor they’ll get thrown a small percentage of the revenue here and be happy, there’s far more leagues in Europe to work with than North America which only has 2 leagues of note, less history here than in Europe, etc…). Still there are challenges here that aren’t as prevalent in Europe (e.g. it will likely push MLS to start in February when half the clubs would be playing in below freezing temperatures). I’d much prefer a revised meaningful Club World Cup that is once every 4 years than for this to occur in Europe since it would dilute Champions League/Europa League but I’m sure those owners that wanted to break off are looking at competitions like this and wondering how they can implement something similar in Europe.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 24, 2021 7:41:33 GMT 1
As long as TV and betting remain at the forefront of sport, these things will continue to exist in the background.
The ESL made the decision to put their heads above the parapet to take a look. Did they take advantage of the situation with the pandemic? Not sure, but sadly I don’t think they’ve gone away forever…
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Post by yappledapple on Apr 7, 2022 17:47:22 GMT 1
New football leaks Der Spiegel article about how City circumnavigate FFP with smoke and mirrors and expensive lawyers...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 7, 2022 17:56:32 GMT 1
Id be more surprised if city and all the other clubs are not continually finding ways around ffp and tax and any other charges they can get round?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 9, 2023 13:08:29 GMT 1
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 9, 2023 13:55:51 GMT 1
"The Super League is the wolf, who today disguises himself as a granny to try to fool European football," Says it all really! This is a brazen attempt by American moneymen to take over control of the very lucrative European club football and also no doubt the EPL. For whatever its sins are, UEFA is an organisation which tries to keep a balance between the various interests and stakeholders, and return most of the money earned into the game. The vultures of Wall Street have only got one objective in mind.
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Post by prepare on Feb 10, 2023 13:16:35 GMT 1
"The Super League is the wolf, who today disguises himself as a granny to try to fool European football," Says it all really! This is a brazen attempt by American moneymen to take over control of the very lucrative European club football and also no doubt the EPL. For whatever its sins are, UEFA is an organisation which tries to keep a balance between the various interests and stakeholders, and return most of the money earned into the game. The vultures of Wall Street have only got one objective in mind. anyepl who goes in to this artificial competition should be thrown out of the epl greed greed greed there is too much football as it is and like many I love the game
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Post by prepare on Feb 10, 2023 13:17:21 GMT 1
"The Super League is the wolf, who today disguises himself as a granny to try to fool European football," Says it all really! This is a brazen attempt by American moneymen to take over control of the very lucrative European club football and also no doubt the EPL. For whatever its sins are, UEFA is an organisation which tries to keep a balance between the various interests and stakeholders, and return most of the money earned into the game. The vultures of Wall Street have only got one objective in mind. anyone who goes in to this artificial competition should be thrown out of the epl greed greed greed there is too much football as it is and like many I love the game
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 10, 2023 13:34:50 GMT 1
anyone who goes in to this artificial competition should be thrown out of the epl greed greed greed there is too much football as it is and like many I love the game Let them go. They are too stupid to realise that in any league there’s a top middle and a bottom. No matter how much money they have if man ure or Madrid or Barca are struggling at the bottom their fans will be up in arms just like we are when struggling at the bottom of our league. Can’t wait to see if I’m being honest
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Post by Torquayterrier on Feb 10, 2023 14:37:25 GMT 1
And this in a nutshell is the dilemma of the modern football fan, particularly those of a certain age. On the one hand you want your club to do well and get as high as itcan in the pyramid. Then you get stuff like this and wonder if you really want your chosen club to be part of this corrupt faceless money driven circus.
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Post by prepare on Feb 10, 2023 15:04:35 GMT 1
And this in a nutshell is the dilemma of the modern football fan, particularly those of a certain age. On the one hand you want your club to do well and get as high as itcan in the pyramid. Then you get stuff like this and wonder if you really want your chosen club to be part of this corrupt faceless money driven circus. there is a balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off
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Post by mosher on Feb 10, 2023 16:38:17 GMT 1
And this in a nutshell is the dilemma of the modern football fan, particularly those of a certain age. On the one hand you want your club to do well and get as high as itcan in the pyramid. Then you get stuff like this and wonder if you really want your chosen club to be part of this corrupt faceless money driven circus. there is a balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off This isn't a pop at you prepare as several people do it but what's with the end of? It's a forum for discussion so obviously it's not end of lol Unless it's meant as passive aggressive? Have to agree about EFL and PL being balanced in favour of the (so-called) big clubs though, it's been plain since the formation of the PL and only highlighted by the farce that is VAR.
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Post by westislandterrier on Feb 10, 2023 16:44:39 GMT 1
And this in a nutshell is the dilemma of the modern football fan, particularly those of a certain age. On the one hand you want your club to do well and get as high as itcan in the pyramid. Then you get stuff like this and wonder if you really want your chosen club to be part of this corrupt faceless money driven circus. there is a balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off There is a (CORRUPT) balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off !
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Feb 10, 2023 18:37:38 GMT 1
Can just imagine it with American owners having a big say. Say Man City are not getting the crowds that they need so they move the team to Berlin for a bigger audience😄
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 10, 2023 18:55:46 GMT 1
there is a balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off There is a (CORRUPT) balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off ! It’s amusing cos the historical big clubs don’t like citeh and Newcastle. Moaning like fuck. But I can remember utd and Chelsea in the old second division. They remind me of the old Bolton chairmen. Utter cards.
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Post by sabailand on Feb 10, 2023 19:01:55 GMT 1
There is a (CORRUPT) balance and it’s all in favour of the big clubs end off ! It’s amusing cos the historical big clubs don’t like citeh and Newcastle. Moaning like fuck. But I can remember utd and Chelsea in the old second division. They remind me of the old Bolton chairmen. Utter cards. Can remember chelsea crowds down to seven or eight thousand back in the early 80's, with relegation battles to the third tier thrown in for good measure.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 10, 2023 20:46:06 GMT 1
It’s amusing cos the historical big clubs don’t like citeh and Newcastle. Moaning like fuck. But I can remember utd and Chelsea in the old second division. They remind me of the old Bolton chairmen. Utter cards. Can remember chelsea crowds down to seven or eight thousand back in the early 80's, with relegation battles to the third tier thrown in for good measure. But their corrupt Russian money was better than the Saudi money apparently.
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Post by 28901 on Feb 10, 2023 22:15:37 GMT 1
Can just imagine it with American owners having a big say. Say Man City are not getting the crowds that they need so they move the team to Berlin for a bigger audience😄 I would absolutely love it
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 21, 2023 10:28:03 GMT 1
UEFA and FIFA in the shit.
Not sure which party comes out best in all this.
Anyway, if it means the homogenised for TV version of the game disappears it won’t be a bad thing.
Time will tell I guess…
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Post by cuz on Dec 21, 2023 10:40:24 GMT 1
And this in a nutshell is the dilemma of the modern football fan, particularly those of a certain age. On the one hand you want your club to do well and get as high as itcan in the pyramid. Then you get stuff like this and wonder if you really want your chosen club to be part of this corrupt faceless money driven circus. Not something we will ever need to worry about!
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Post by Ibiza Town on Dec 21, 2023 15:45:23 GMT 1
Fuck em, let them all go and play with each other in their fantasy Disney league.
Will level things up for the rest of us
Plus, it'll be hilarious seeing the likes of Man City fans having odd home game transferred to Saudi Arabia to 'promote the league in new locations'.
Sooner they all go a cuddle up with each other in a corrupt business-obsessed league, devoid of the all the traditions that make it a great sport, the better.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 21, 2023 16:29:33 GMT 1
Fuck em, let them all go and play with each other in their fantasy Disney league. Will level things up for the rest of us Plus, it'll be hilarious seeing the likes of Man City fans having odd home game transferred to Saudi Arabia to 'promote the league in new locations'. Sooner they all go a cuddle up with each other in a corrupt business-obsessed league, devoid of the all the traditions that make it a great sport, the better. Agreed. I would honestly love for all of them to leave. It would be great to witness a new dawn of competition in football, where your Plymouth’s and your Huddersfield’s can become competitive and we get back to why this sport was so great.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 21, 2023 17:06:16 GMT 1
I am in no doubt that within a couple of years or so that some form of ESL will be up and running. The clubs invited to join will ensure all the rules and regulations will be in their favour. They’ll allow two completely different squads, with eleven substitutions allowed, one for the weekend PL games and one for the midweek ESL games. The biggest and wealthiest clubs of today will continue to dominate and simply become bigger and wealthier. Make no mistake, media will be even more in thrall to the big clubs than they already are.
The rest of football at professional level will continue, albeit in reduced circumstances with barely any acknowledgment of its existence in the media.
Bollocks to it. I’m just very sad that our eldest grandson, football mad six year old Henry, will never be able to experience what I did from the mid 60’s down at Leeds Road.
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Post by softboy on Dec 21, 2023 17:20:26 GMT 1
I actually think the ESL could do the opposite. The basic principle is the ESL will be for armchair fans around the world who don’t or never have actually attended a game. Most thought that when the PL came along it would wipe out lower league football but crowds at Championship and below are increasing year on year. If you look at the crowds at Town and on the EFL highlights I think you will see far more kids actually attending games than ever before
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Post by Terriersmad on Dec 21, 2023 17:35:48 GMT 1
Having seen the proposals, it staggers me that any manager could want it regardless. 14 games, guaranteed, plus potentially 5 additional knockouts? That's more than in existing European competition. Considering that managers (I'm looking at a chap in Liverpool) complain about existing domestic competitions and have managed to erode footballing traditions to their own benefit, surely none of those would want to get involved? Surely?
Being honest, I can't see this happening unless certain big clubs are expelled from their leagues. This is a Real Madrid/Barcelona-led money-grab because those clubs don't want to share the proceeds of football. What they fail to understand is that football isn't just the commercial side of things. Football can survive without them. But they cannot survive without thriving domestic football. Popcorn games like Real Madrid v Manchester United happen maybe a couple of times a decade. Under this model, they would be annual, perhaps even to the extent of the Old Firm (and let's be honest - when did anyone not involved with the Glasgow clubs pay any real attention to that clash?). They'd soon lose their lustre and the commercial power would be on the wane. The meat and drink of every club is a strong domestic league; special nights aren't so special when they're every single midweek against the same opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:51:03 GMT 1
Both the Football Supporters Federation and the Government seem adamant that English clubs just won't be allowed to join a ESL, due to an independent regulator that doesn't actually exist yet. It would be pretty funny, to be fair, if it went ahead with all of the biggest names in European football - except the English ones.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 21, 2023 17:55:48 GMT 1
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Saudi Arabia or some other Arab state “gift” each invited club €1 billion as a reward for joining.
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