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Post by turbo2 on May 5, 2021 8:23:57 GMT 1
I simply don’t get why anyone would call him a villain.
Ffs we had 3 or 4 seasons scratching around at the bottom of the championship. Fans were pissed of with the lack of investment and continuing struggles. Then this man rocks up and with a few additional players ( one costing a whole 1.8m) we end up promoted to the PL
My only issue with DW was he shit out on his philosophy after the spuds game. It was rather bizarre as I thought our overall performance that day was great. Two bad errors and Harry Kane apart I thought we matched them.
To me that was just lack of experience and not something to hit DW with. A decent DoF may well have helped him through that moment. We’ll never know
The club also let him down with their scouting. Don’t tell me he’d highlighted Mbenza, Pritchard and diakhaby on his own.
Everyone knew we needed a winger or two. We bought the chuckle brothers instead. As for Pritchard, I thought we’d done great business getting him in. Unfortunately he was just as bad.
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 5, 2021 8:28:50 GMT 1
An intelligent post but one I’d disagree with. Moss was responsible for most signings following promotion, an article in the Guardian covered it at the time. It quoted Wagner as saying ‘what is this you’ve bought?’ When LDP turned up at Town, until he found a way to use him effectively.
I blame the entire board. Webber appointed Wagner and helped him from the iff. Wagner disliked being the figurehead and openly criticised the ‘Wagner Revolution’ slogan. He was a continental head coach and wanted a DoF to work above him. The club failed to keep Webber & Moss, putting far more emphasis on Wagner to oversee recruitment, training and be the face of the club. He was clearly beggared. When Hoyle got I’ll there was literally no one else with him. Winter was useless, Rebbe a bit of a disaster. We took the most gifted coach & communicator we’d had for years and burdened him with all aspects of running a Premier League club. It was no wonder he burnt out and needed to quit for his own sanity. The whole board is to blame for not shouldering mire responsibility.
We were a drowning club and we clung to Wagner with all we had, the inevitable result being we forced him under and drove him away.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 5, 2021 8:37:07 GMT 1
I think my biggest disappointment was in the man management side of things after we survived. He should have known and communicated to the players that season 2 is always harder than season 1, assuming you survive. Some players clearly felt they'd achieved an end goal and actually it should have been phase 2 of a 5 or ten year plan complete. I've never seen a player decline so rapidly as Laurent De Poitre. He was immense in the first season. He made some seasoned internationals look ordinary. Season 2 he looked like a Sunday league player. We had drinks by the pool on Sunday, a mix of English, Spanish, Dutch, Danish and Belgium, all pleasant and sociable, bit embarrassing for us as everyone else is multi lingual, anyway I was asked by Eddy, one of 3 Belgium couples :- “Is that your car with the Huddersfield Town badge in the window ?” “It is, yes.” “Do you know Laurent Deloitte ?” “ I do, yes, excellent in our first season in the PL, scored in a win against Man United and away at Chelsea to avoid relegation, but a waste of time and money in the second year.” “Ahh yes, the same as Gent !” Not sure if it proves anything but the only other football interest was Phillip, Dutch, who apologised because he’d never heard of Huddersfield, then found it mildly amusing that a 100 years ago we were the best team around - it’s a 100 years, that’s a long time ! - but he did know of Ken Monkou and Dean Gorre, also Curacao but not Juninho Bacuna
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Post by iangreaves on May 5, 2021 8:37:13 GMT 1
I arent reading all that. What's the main crux of it, anyone? I think he's saying it's all David Wagner's fault that we are in the shit and barely avoiding relegation to the third flight.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 5, 2021 8:38:37 GMT 1
How anyone can call this guy a villain is beyond me.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 5, 2021 8:50:45 GMT 1
Absolutely only 1 answer to this, total hero.
No need to expand, DW is, & always will be, a total Town legend to anyone who does not have the agenda of blindly backing DH.
One point I will add, just because I've never seen anyone comment on it before, is during Dean's staged interview with the kid, he mentioned that David couldn't wait 6 weeks to sign Traore (& remember Dean admitted himself he'd fucked up signing Traore by going on holiday) but he also stated earlier in the interview that he felt one of the reasons we'd stayed up was due to the fast start we had made - maybe, this is what DW wanted again &, although I'm no medical expert, 6 weeks between breaking a collar bone & playing Premier league football again, seems a very short space of time.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 5, 2021 8:55:34 GMT 1
How anyone can call this guy a villain is beyond me. Nothing surprises me on here. I'm sure I read on here the other day that O'brien, Eiting, Pipa & Toffolo aren't good enough. If that's the the type of fan the club has to please they have no chance.
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Post by sociallydistant on May 5, 2021 9:10:51 GMT 1
Come on Pete, you're a good poster and a decent bloke.
But your PR for Hoyle is becoming a bit tiresome.
You must know a lot of what you've written is questionable to say the least.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 5, 2021 9:28:49 GMT 1
Absolutely only 1 answer to this, total hero. No need to expand, DW is, & always will be, a total Town legend to anyone who does not have the agenda of blindly backing DH. One point I will add, just because I've never seen anyone comment on it before, is during Dean's staged interview with the kid, he mentioned that David couldn't wait 6 weeks to sign Traore (& remember Dean admitted himself he'd fucked up signing Traore by going on holiday) but he also stated earlier in the interview that he felt one of the reasons we'd stayed up was due to the fast start we had made - maybe, this is what DW wanted again &, although I'm no medical expert, 6 weeks between breaking a collar bone & playing Premier league football again, seems a very short space of time. The other factor in this Traore 'story' is Wolves were linked with him the entire time we were in the press. Ours wage bill that season was £64m. Wolves wage bill that season was £92m. 45% higher than ours. www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/how-every-pl-clubs-wage-bills-compared-to-their-2018-19-league-position/Wolves came up in a blaze of glory as the 'best championship side ever' and then signed established international players. We told everyone who would listen how small we were, how it was a moment in time and how "we have to do things differently". I'm sure we had a bid accepted but I think it's safe to say despite us being a season ahead of Wolves in a straight 2 way fight he was always going to pick them over us. Despite what DH thinks was happening.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 5, 2021 9:32:36 GMT 1
Ridiculous to call Wagener a villian - we'd never have seen the PL without his genius
God knows what happened in the summer of 2018 .. we went from signing players (often captains) in their mid twenties from the German and English leagues to signing under 21s from France and Holland
What I know is Wagner hardly picked the new players. Odd behavior if he was so desperate to get them
We also started Decemember 2018 outisde the relegation zone despite rotten luck hitting the woodwork more than any other side and being the wrong end of many 50/50 ref decisions (Milner hand ball no penalty, Hogg red versus Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindlers face and only getting a yellow). Wagner quit in early January after more horrfic luck (Mooy injury at the worse time) and more ref decisions (Mounie red versus Brighton, Flo pen given and diassallowed, Schinder red versus Burnley when he didn't know he'd been booked etc). So it really fell apart in a month
Someone made a really good point the other day about DH having a free hit in 2018. He knew then his investment was coming back so he basically punted any PL legacy on trying to stay up in the short term. He got his budgets wrong and left the club in a tailspin as a result
In terms of recruitment is any one really saying that Wagner - who knew the German leagues and the English leagues - that summer said sign me Mbzena and Diakhaby. Or more likely he said the club lacked the pace needed at that level so that had to be the focus. Then a list was presented to him, he picked from that list and the clubs "money men" tried to broker a deal that worked for the club.
What do these people who think it was Wagner behind the player idenitifcation reckon our Scouts and Recruitment team do for 40 hours a week!
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Post by El Mel on May 5, 2021 9:32:54 GMT 1
Thou shalt not criticise Wagner.
Some pretty shit responses to a well constructed opening post for me
He is indeed a hero and a villain, and always will be.
Defend. Defend. DEFEND,DEFEND,DEFEND.
It was shite to watch once he'd lost the magic.
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Post by runner76 on May 5, 2021 9:33:37 GMT 1
Thou shalt not criticise Wagner. Some pretty shit responses to a well constructed opening post for me He is indeed a hero and a villain, and always will be. Defend. Defend. DEFEND,DEFEND,DEFEND. It was shite to watch once he'd lost the magic. And it’s been shite ever since
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on May 5, 2021 9:34:21 GMT 1
If Wagner's a villain what would you call Stan Ternent?
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Post by El Mel on May 5, 2021 9:36:50 GMT 1
Thou shalt not criticise Wagner. Some pretty shit responses to a well constructed opening post for me He is indeed a hero and a villain, and always will be. Defend. Defend. DEFEND,DEFEND,DEFEND. It was shite to watch once he'd lost the magic. And it’s been shite ever since Absolutely. He set the decay precedent.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 9:39:54 GMT 1
And it’s been shite ever since Absolutely. He set the decay precedent. So, let me get this right: We can't criticise DH because he got us into the Premier League, doncha know?! But all our current woes are the fault of the manager who guided us into the Premier League on the fourth lowest budget in the Championship? Brilliant.
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Post by El Mel on May 5, 2021 9:42:33 GMT 1
Absolutely. He set the decay precedent. So, let me get this right: We can't criticise DH because he got us into the Premier League, doncha know?! But all our current woes are the fault of the manager who guided us into the Premier League on the fourth lowest budget in the Championship? Brilliant. You can criticise who the fk you like for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 9:45:14 GMT 1
Wasn't Anthony Limbombe the number one target in the window we ended up with Mbenza? The saga went on all summer beforw we finally pulled the plug after his dad asked for more brass at the eleventh hour. Signing Mbenza smacked of desperation. For the record, I don't think it was wingers we needed. Ince and VLP were getting through an awful lot of defensive work and replacing them with luxury players, which most out and out wingers are, was never going to be a good idea. We should have been going for grafters with experience and a bit of quality instead of untried 'potential'. There were players like Okazaki who was surplus to requirements at Leicester available. Chris Brunt was mentioned at one point as well, somebody who can actually cross a ball. We got it wrong. We bought the wrong players and overpaid for them. My hunch is that Wagner's role in bringing in these particular players was limited. He definitely didn't seem keen on playing either Diakhaby or Mbenza from the outset. I don't buy the line that he gave up on 'no limts' either. Wagner was pragmatic from day one and we rode our luck. In that second season it just ran out. Yup. I remember we chased Limbombe for a while, And there was also another German/American forward who went to the MLS, and Traore before we went down the list to Mbenza and then Diakhaby,
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Post by 4 pts on May 5, 2021 9:56:54 GMT 1
Long post alert but difficult to condense all the points Lots of fingers of blame have been pointed at lots of people in the club since our our demise from the Premier League but David Wagner appears to have escaped almost scot-free. Dean Hoyle gave David Wagner his first big break – managing a team in the Championship. I will never forget Dean Hoyle introducing our new manager at the Millbridge Club. It was an inspirational evening and I went home believing that David Wagner was the real deal. He was enthusiastic, down to earth and brought a vision based on fitness, cohesion and Terrier Spirit. In no time at all you could see that it was working. He introduced double training sessions; sessions timed to match kick-off times and even had the players reporting in on a Sunday to reflect on the previous day’s game. He also initially brought in players who epitomised the Terrier Spirit – players who gave their all for the team and the shirt – Schindler, Hefele, Lowe, Kachunga, Quaner – players who when selected; gave everything they’d got. When questioned at the Millbridge Club about ‘big’ clubs in the league he replied ‘We don’t worry about the opposition, let them worry about us’. #Terrier Spirit and #No Limits were the order of the day. The Wagner Revolution had begun and it was a joy to behold. In his first full season we were promoted. It was ahead of the plan and it was incredible. We didn’t score many and we didn’t win games by big margins but it was effective and the team mentality was both positive and strong. Following the unexpected promotion things began to change. We started spending money that was previously unheard of for Huddersfield Town, a net total of £40M committed on fees alone before we’d even kicked a Premier League football including: Laurent Depoitre (£3.5M) Aaron Mooy (£10M Inc. add-ons) Scott Malone £3.3M) Zanka (£3.5M) Mounie (£13m Inc. add-ons) - He was on loan that first season but came with a ‘done deal’ agreement for us to buy for the following season. Ince (£10.5M Inc. add-ons) We got off to a good start but David Wagner then abandoned his #No Limits approach and in most games we set up not to lose – park the bus and get a goal on the break if possible. It got ever tougher to watch and if we conceded, we knew we were almost bound to lose. We played too defensively, we didn't take enough risks, we didn't create many chances, and the aim was mainly to concede as few goals as possible. Joe Lolley was unfortunate with injuries and we never got to see his full potential on a regular basis. He was very keen to play as a no 10 but David Wagner was reluctant to play him there. Instead, he told Dean Hoyle that he badly wanted Alex Pritchard in that role so in Jan 2018 we bought him for a staggering £11M. In turn we effectively gave Joe Lolley away to Forest for a rumoured £1M but also looked after Michael Hefele in the same deal by ensuring that he also got a 3-year deal with Forest. The reality is that we’d have got a lot more out of Lolley than Pritchard if we’d kept him instead of buying Pritchard and, with wages included, we lost somewhere in the region of £15M. Entirely down to David Wagner. David Wagner had seen his stock rise during the promotion season and both he and Dean were aware that some other clubs were showing increasing interest. David Wagner asked for and received large wage rises on three or four separate occasions from when he started. DH knew he had someone special and was keen to please DW by backing him with the players he wanted and the ever larger salary he was demanding. Against the odds we survived that first season in the Premier league and we all looked forward to strengthening the team over the summer. We completed the deal on Mounie We bought Kongolo on a permanent deal for £18M M’Benza was DW’s number one new target of the summer. DH backed him by spending £11.25M on him. (DW told the club's website: "Isaac is a very exciting player and this is a great deal for Huddersfield Town for a player with such ability and potential. You do not play for Belgium at U21 level unless you have some outstanding attributes).
We were about to buy Adam Traore and had both the fee (£20M) and wages agreed. At the eleventh hour Traore sustained an injury that was likely to see him out for up to six weeks. DW told DH that he couldn’t wait six weeks and wanted a speedy winger immediately. DW backed him yet again and from the shortlist, DW selected Diakhaby at a cost of £9m
DW commented, "He is a very hungry young footballer with a strong desire to succeed in England. Obviously he is still learning and improving at 22 years old, but he already has many of the qualities that we look for in our attacking players. He's a direct player who is comfortable with the ball at his feet and with genuine pace, which suits our style perfectly." Bizarrely that ‘style’ changed shortly after signing both M’Benza and Diakhaby and neither of them went on to be regular starters. By late autumn in that second season things were not going well. We were very defensive and it was getting ever harder to watch. Rock bottom of the league and it seemed that some players were already looking to their agents to find them their next honey pot. The #No Limits and ~Terrier Spirit football had all but vanished. You have to question what impact some of our most expensive and highly paid players had on the rest of the squad who encountered their inflated egos and poor attitudes on a daily basis. These very same expensive and highly paid players that had been chosen by DW who had the final say on all player purchases. Around the same time, news was coming out that DH was critically ill and had been in hospital for some weeks. With hindsight, it appears that nobody was able to step up and fill the huge void caused by his absence. DW had run out of ideas and knew the ship was sinking. At a time when DH was desperately struggling with his health, DW sent him a message via a third party that he wanted out by the end of the season at latest. The same DH who had given him his first big opportunity, had paid him handsomely and had backed him in spending huge amounts of money on fees and wages of players that DW had asked for. When the shit was hitting the fan, it does seem that DW put himself first. I can only imagine what impact all this must have had on DH. He was critically ill in hospital, his football team was relegation bound and DW was jumping ship leaving behind massively expensive contracted players who had no fight in them and no loyalty to the club. The attitude of some of those players continued to be a major problem after DW left as they saw their contracts out whilst enjoying their massive salaries. Remember, DW had the last say on all of them coming into the club. When he left, he left a very expensive burden behind. In summaryHero – No doubts whatsoever. Gaining promotion was an incredible achievement. Villain – For me he has to take a large amount of the blame for the dream turning sour I'm just going to pick up on the highlighted points Pete. These seem to be the main reasons why you may deem DW a villain or not. As someone else has added in this thread, Limbombe was up there as a potential signing but Traore was DW's number one target. And by his own admission, DH missed the cut off time for Adama not to play in a friendly for Boro. DH shouldn't have been sorting out a £20m transfer on his own whilst in America. That for me is just bizarre. Watch the interview from around 40 mins in. He also states Diakhaby was already in the building before the Traore deal fell through, not afterwards, so Mbenza did not even enter the equation until very late in the day and definitely wasn't DW's No.1 target. I would say more a panic buy. As for you quoting DW with regards to DiaBenza, what do you expect David to say - "These two were not my No.1 targets and they are not very good" As it turns out they were appalling but they weren't pinpointed by DW. David made some mistakes but he isn't a villain, thats for sure
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 5, 2021 9:57:30 GMT 1
No one is faultless.
Big Dave.....always a bloody hero to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 10:07:28 GMT 1
lots of half truths & hearsay in the original post. All coaches have their flaws but David Wagner did a miracle job with the resources available, he wasn't head scout, he wasn't director of football operations, he was head coach and I've never seen and probably never will again, see a team as well coached as the team under Wagner.
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Post by ashfieldterrier on May 5, 2021 10:13:11 GMT 1
It may have already been said on numerous other posts, but the biggest issue was not having Stuart Webber for the premier league recruitment. He identified the players to get us there and I think with DH backing the prem recruitment would have been far better with Webber in the mix.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 5, 2021 10:20:12 GMT 1
It may have already been said on numerous other posts, but the biggest issue was not having Stuart Webber for the premier league recruitment. He identified the players to get us there and I think with DH backing the prem recruitment would have been far better with Webber in the mix. I'm pretty sure it would have been different. Norwich hardly spent anything last season, under £8m for the year and £3.75m was spent in the winter transfer window on a player they instantly loaned back to Coventry www.transfermarkt.co.uk/norwich-city/transfers/verein/1123/plus/1?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=Added to this is that Webber gets fantastic value on player sales; Godfrey £25m and Lewis £15m It meant when they came down - and despite covid - they could retain their manager, many key players and were able to replace players with a decent transfer budget (Town's biggest fee since relegation is £500k and we've only paid that much twice; Koroma and Pipa) Webber took a long term view and it's likely to pay dividends for them now. Not only are they Premier League with what looks a very stable financial base, they also have players in their squad with huge value; Cantwell, Aarons and Budendia
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Post by El Mel on May 5, 2021 10:23:08 GMT 1
It may have already been said on numerous other posts, but the biggest issue was not having Stuart Webber for the premier league recruitment. He identified the players to get us there and I think with DH backing the prem recruitment would have been far better with Webber in the mix. So many factors in our success, Wagner was one of them but the miracle started way before DW walked in the building.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 5, 2021 10:25:29 GMT 1
I went through every emotion when Wagner was here. Elation and despair. For that I am forever grateful. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Football, life? Ups, downs? Every setback is just another step to achievement and experience. If you see a loss, defeat, a few shit seasons as the end of the world then I’m the polar opposite of you. It will just make me enjoy the success more.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 10:25:39 GMT 1
It may have already been said on numerous other posts, but the biggest issue was not having Stuart Webber for the premier league recruitment. He identified the players to get us there and I think with DH backing the prem recruitment would have been far better with Webber in the mix. So many factors in our success, Wagner was one of them but the miracle started way before DW walked in the building. Ah, yes. We were all aware of the miracle that was surely just around the corner when we had Powell in charge.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 5, 2021 10:26:09 GMT 1
Dave did great things with limited resources. The luck we had was also a once on a lifetime event. That he and his staff then fell out over recruitment and tactics would not have mattered as much had the club not spent fortunes on fees and wages for players that were not used and when they finally were we never got a beans worth of the outlay back in performances or sell ons.. The demise of the potential and promise of the club being able to stay in the top flight for longer was decimated by the way we were relegated and the following season being pretty awful. Since then we have been paying wages that we cant afford to players who dont play at all or just dont perform once they actually get to turn out for us. Wagner is, as is everyone else at the club over the past few seasons, partly responsible. I'm a lifelong town fan and the night at Wendies, the day at Wembley v Reading, man utd at home, Chelsea and city away etc will always stay with me. So thanks Dave. We start again from the end of the game on saturday and we all hope the future is better.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 10:26:15 GMT 1
Long post alert but difficult to condense all the points Lots of fingers of blame have been pointed at lots of people in the club since our our demise from the Premier League but David Wagner appears to have escaped almost scot-free. Dean Hoyle gave David Wagner his first big break – managing a team in the Championship. I will never forget Dean Hoyle introducing our new manager at the Millbridge Club. It was an inspirational evening and I went home believing that David Wagner was the real deal. He was enthusiastic, down to earth and brought a vision based on fitness, cohesion and Terrier Spirit. In no time at all you could see that it was working. He introduced double training sessions; sessions timed to match kick-off times and even had the players reporting in on a Sunday to reflect on the previous day’s game. He also initially brought in players who epitomised the Terrier Spirit – players who gave their all for the team and the shirt – Schindler, Hefele, Lowe, Kachunga, Quaner – players who when selected; gave everything they’d got. When questioned at the Millbridge Club about ‘big’ clubs in the league he replied ‘We don’t worry about the opposition, let them worry about us’. #Terrier Spirit and #No Limits were the order of the day. The Wagner Revolution had begun and it was a joy to behold. In his first full season we were promoted. It was ahead of the plan and it was incredible. We didn’t score many and we didn’t win games by big margins but it was effective and the team mentality was both positive and strong. Following the unexpected promotion things began to change. We started spending money that was previously unheard of for Huddersfield Town, a net total of £40M committed on fees alone before we’d even kicked a Premier League football including: Laurent Depoitre (£3.5M) Aaron Mooy (£10M Inc. add-ons) Scott Malone £3.3M) Zanka (£3.5M) Mounie (£13m Inc. add-ons) - He was on loan that first season but came with a ‘done deal’ agreement for us to buy for the following season. Ince (£10.5M Inc. add-ons) We got off to a good start but David Wagner then abandoned his #No Limits approach and in most games we set up not to lose – park the bus and get a goal on the break if possible. It got ever tougher to watch and if we conceded, we knew we were almost bound to lose. We played too defensively, we didn't take enough risks, we didn't create many chances, and the aim was mainly to concede as few goals as possible. Joe Lolley was unfortunate with injuries and we never got to see his full potential on a regular basis. He was very keen to play as a no 10 but David Wagner was reluctant to play him there. Instead, he told Dean Hoyle that he badly wanted Alex Pritchard in that role so in Jan 2018 we bought him for a staggering £11M. In turn we effectively gave Joe Lolley away to Forest for a rumoured £1M but also looked after Michael Hefele in the same deal by ensuring that he also got a 3-year deal with Forest. The reality is that we’d have got a lot more out of Lolley than Pritchard if we’d kept him instead of buying Pritchard and, with wages included, we lost somewhere in the region of £15M. Entirely down to David Wagner. David Wagner had seen his stock rise during the promotion season and both he and Dean were aware that some other clubs were showing increasing interest. David Wagner asked for and received large wage rises on three or four separate occasions from when he started. DH knew he had someone special and was keen to please DW by backing him with the players he wanted and the ever larger salary he was demanding. Against the odds we survived that first season in the Premier league and we all looked forward to strengthening the team over the summer. We completed the deal on Mounie We bought Kongolo on a permanent deal for £18M M’Benza was DW’s number one new target of the summer. DH backed him by spending £11.25M on him. (DW told the club's website: "Isaac is a very exciting player and this is a great deal for Huddersfield Town for a player with such ability and potential. You do not play for Belgium at U21 level unless you have some outstanding attributes). We were about to buy Adam Traore and had both the fee (£20M) and wages agreed. At the eleventh hour Traore sustained an injury that was likely to see him out for up to six weeks. DW told DH that he couldn’t wait six weeks and wanted a speedy winger immediately. DW backed him yet again and from the shortlist, DW selected Diakhaby at a cost of £9m DW commented, "He is a very hungry young footballer with a strong desire to succeed in England. Obviously he is still learning and improving at 22 years old, but he already has many of the qualities that we look for in our attacking players. He's a direct player who is comfortable with the ball at his feet and with genuine pace, which suits our style perfectly." Bizarrely that ‘style’ changed shortly after signing both M’Benza and Diakhaby and neither of them went on to be regular starters. By late autumn in that second season things were not going well. We were very defensive and it was getting ever harder to watch. Rock bottom of the league and it seemed that some players were already looking to their agents to find them their next honey pot. The #No Limits and ~Terrier Spirit football had all but vanished. You have to question what impact some of our most expensive and highly paid players had on the rest of the squad who encountered their inflated egos and poor attitudes on a daily basis. These very same expensive and highly paid players that had been chosen by DW who had the final say on all player purchases. Around the same time, news was coming out that DH was critically ill and had been in hospital for some weeks. With hindsight, it appears that nobody was able to step up and fill the huge void caused by his absence. DW had run out of ideas and knew the ship was sinking. At a time when DH was desperately struggling with his health, DW sent him a message via a third party that he wanted out by the end of the season at latest. The same DH who had given him his first big opportunity, had paid him handsomely and had backed him in spending huge amounts of money on fees and wages of players that DW had asked for. When the shit was hitting the fan, it does seem that DW put himself first. I can only imagine what impact all this must have had on DH. He was critically ill in hospital, his football team was relegation bound and DW was jumping ship leaving behind massively expensive contracted players who had no fight in them and no loyalty to the club. The attitude of some of those players continued to be a major problem after DW left as they saw their contracts out whilst enjoying their massive salaries. Remember, DW had the last say on all of them coming into the club. When he left, he left a very expensive burden behind. In summaryHero – No doubts whatsoever. Gaining promotion was an incredible achievement. Villain – For me he has to take a large amount of the blame for the dream turning sour
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 10:28:49 GMT 1
I simply don’t get why anyone would call him a villain. Ffs we had 3 or 4 seasons scratching around at the bottom of the championship. Fans were pissed of with the lack of investment and continuing struggles. Then this man rocks up and with a few additional players ( one costing a whole 1.8m) we end up promoted to the PL My only issue with DW was he shit out on his philosophy after the spuds game. It was rather bizarre as I thought our overall performance that day was great. Two bad errors and Harry Kane apart I thought we matched them. To me that was just lack of experience and not something to hit DW with. A decent DoF may well have helped him through that moment. We’ll never know The club also let him down with their scouting. Don’t tell me he’d highlighted Mbenza, Pritchard and diakhaby on his own. Everyone knew we needed a winger or two. We bought the chuckle brothers instead. As for Pritchard, I thought we’d done great business getting him in. Unfortunately he was just as bad. All concerned have to take there share of what went wrong but a lot that has been posted is hearsay not fact but that is the past it's what happens here on that matters
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Post by frankslegs on May 5, 2021 10:29:57 GMT 1
The two best bounce back teams are Burnley and Norwich-both kept their managers with a tight recruiting policy.That should have been our model but we blew it - let’s move on
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Post by leroy212 on May 5, 2021 10:33:25 GMT 1
What did he put? Not been on for a while and missed maynard's post In his first post he suggested that there was a small chink of light at the end of the tunnel but went no further than that. Then in a later post he said that we had signed 4 players for next season already but obviously couldn't name any names. Whether the second post was the small chink of light mentioned in the first post I don't know. Personally I hope not, I hope it's to do with the running/ownership of the club because as someone else pointed out would we have any confidence in the 4 new signings being any good judging by the signings made already by our recruitment team. Cheers for that mate
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