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Post by Captainslapper on May 8, 2021 0:20:18 GMT 1
season 97-98 The great escape. season 98-99 Rubery's first season, the beginnings of a decent squad season 99-00 Steve Bruce' first season, top of the table on merit at Christmas. or bluffing our way to the premier league, with a negative goal difference, then glad to be there with a collection of players who were both expensive and very average, coupled with incompetence behind the scenes in most all departments. A tough choice. Bluffing our way to the Premier League? Fuck off. Oh yeah, don't you know that in the long, relentless, extremely competitive Championship division, its perfectly possible to bluff your way into being one of three clubs chasing the two automatic spots at the top of the division almost all season, before fading slightly into a play off spot, which you will then go up from? And to do it with one of the lowest budgets in the division too? We didn't deserve it really.
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Post by dugnet on May 8, 2021 6:03:19 GMT 1
Bluffing our way to the Premier League? Fuck off. Oh yeah, don't you know that in the long, relentless, extremely competitive Championship division, its perfectly possible to bluff your way into being one of three clubs chasing the two automatic spots at the top of the division almost all season, before fading slightly into a play off spot, which you will then go up from? And to do it with one of the lowest budgets in the division too? We didn't deserve it really. Come on Captain we didn't bluff it, in fact quite the opposite we had belief and team spirit in spades which permeated across the club. That team would have been competitive and top 6 in any Championship season in the last decade. It shows that with a positive mindset,spirit and belief how much you can achieve. It also shows that for all the debate about money it's not always how much you have it's how you get the most value from it. We desperately need a semblance of that outlook now. We might not bluff our way back to the Premier League but I'm pretty sure we'd do better than the last 3 seasons.
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Post by terriers321 on May 8, 2021 6:36:09 GMT 1
Oh yeah, don't you know that in the long, relentless, extremely competitive Championship division, its perfectly possible to bluff your way into being one of three clubs chasing the two automatic spots at the top of the division almost all season, before fading slightly into a play off spot, which you will then go up from? And to do it with one of the lowest budgets in the division too? We didn't deserve it really. Come on Captain we didn't bluff it, in fact quite the opposite we had belief and team spirit in spades which permeated across the club. That team would have been competitive and top 6 in any Championship season in the last decade. It shows that with a positive mindset,spirit and belief how much you can achieve. It also shows that for all the debate about money it's not always how much you have it's how you get the most value from it. We desperately need a semblance of that outlook now. We might not bluff our way back to the Premier League but I'm pretty sure we'd do better than the last 3 seasons. We fully deserved to go up that season. Anybody who gets into the playoffs does so on merit and we were the only team really to be pushing the top two throughout the season. The playoffs its self is a lottery where you do need a bit of luck and we were the team to get it. I dont know why people continue to slag us from back then. We were a good side and back then I was going to the ground thinking we could beat anyone. Even the first season in the prem I was pretty optimistic we could get points against anyone at home. Now I fully expect to lose every game and anything else is a bonus. How times change.
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Post by rothwellterrier on May 8, 2021 8:05:48 GMT 1
Oh yeah, don't you know that in the long, relentless, extremely competitive Championship division, its perfectly possible to bluff your way into being one of three clubs chasing the two automatic spots at the top of the division almost all season, before fading slightly into a play off spot, which you will then go up from? And to do it with one of the lowest budgets in the division too? We didn't deserve it really. Come on Captain we didn't bluff it, in fact quite the opposite we had belief and team spirit in spades which permeated across the club. That team would have been competitive and top 6 in any Championship season in the last decade. It shows that with a positive mindset,spirit and belief how much you can achieve. It also shows that for all the debate about money it's not always how much you have it's how you get the most value from it. We desperately need a semblance of that outlook now. We might not bluff our way back to the Premier League but I'm pretty sure we'd do better than the last 3 seasons. I may be wrong here but I think the captain was being sarcastic and was agreeing with ACW.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 8, 2021 8:13:53 GMT 1
Maybe they handed out prizes for being top at Xmas in the year 2000
It's like saying "top of the Premier league on merit after two games in 2017"
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Post by stinkypete on May 8, 2021 8:33:31 GMT 1
Even better bit of business when you consider if Schindler had missed and he'd have sold then he was happily getting bugger all of it back. Here's a question: Had Schindler missed and we lost, putting aside all the experience, would the club have been in a better overall position? It's impossible to answer and I am not sure there's much point to debate but I can't help but wonder. I certainly think, looking back, we’d have been better going down in that first season as we still had the ‘togetherness’ at that point and would’ve had a better squad for the following championship season. (Maybe kept Wagner) That second season has damaged the club massively, both financially and mentally. Hopefully now the dross we signed after season 1 is cleared out we can rebuild.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 8, 2021 8:54:01 GMT 1
Maybe they handed out prizes for being top at Xmas in the year 2000 It's like saying "top of the Premier league on merit after two games in 2017" Over the years I’ve seen Town go top of the PL and as low as 91st in the 70s, which at first you would think I bet no other team’s fans can match a 91 place swing, Wolves, Bradford, Oldham, Bradford, Pompey, Millwall, AFCB and Swindon are a few I recall that could have gone close, fans of original Wimbledon will have seen a bigger swing coming up from non league and also Stockport going down from the Championship to Confrence North but keeping it to the 92 league positions only So presumably Arsenal fans have had the smallest number of places moved on the football league ladder, with (I’m guessing Rochdale) in 2nd spot, rather than new sides like Crawley or Forest Green and Town fans the dubious distinction of seeing their side move the most ? Do we get a medal for that ?
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 8, 2021 9:55:25 GMT 1
He’s a villain now
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Post by Captainslapper on May 8, 2021 10:32:55 GMT 1
Come on Captain we didn't bluff it, in fact quite the opposite we had belief and team spirit in spades which permeated across the club. That team would have been competitive and top 6 in any Championship season in the last decade. It shows that with a positive mindset,spirit and belief how much you can achieve. It also shows that for all the debate about money it's not always how much you have it's how you get the most value from it. We desperately need a semblance of that outlook now. We might not bluff our way back to the Premier League but I'm pretty sure we'd do better than the last 3 seasons. I may be wrong here but I think the captain was being sarcastic and was agreeing with ACW. I was. Sarcasm is a difficult one to get across in written form obviously!
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Post by ritchie on May 8, 2021 10:55:10 GMT 1
Bet phil wishes he could write some stuff in here now
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Post by mickydombat on May 8, 2021 16:00:57 GMT 1
Made some good/bad decisions, let Wagner rule the roost too much in end as alluded to by Shortbread.
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Post by omegasupreme on May 8, 2021 16:06:11 GMT 1
Given that some folk think this thread (https://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/115754/david-wagner-hero-villain) was written to shift the focus from Dean Hoyle to David Wagner, have at it. What's your verdict? I'd say hero turned villain, if rumours of his conduct since deciding to sell the club are to be believed, and I'd wager some of them must have a degree of truth. Colours to the mast - I have no time for Phil. I think he's a charlatan and is damaging the club. He should never have agreed to the deal if he felt he couldn't cope with the terms of it (even pre-covid). I've also met Dean, Janet and their lads on several occasions, and on a personal level like all of them a hell of a lot. I have a great deal of respect for them all, and gratitude for the positive impact they had on the club and the community. But, I'm a firm believer that if you take praise for your good deeds and successes, you have to take criticism for your bad deeds and failings. I have no issue with Dean being repaid the money he lent the club, but if the speed/rate or repayment leaves the club hamstrung and inept, on the verge of relegation or worse, then I have to condemn that. Additionally, I think the decisions made upon promotion and since showed real naivety and believe this is the crux of the matter - when Webber left, we made a series of flawed, poor decisions. Anyway, your views? Remember, let's not be abusive, but otherwise speak freely. Villain
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 8, 2021 16:13:37 GMT 1
Are you ok, Pete? Everything OK at home? More than one person insinuated, on your other thread, that the intention was to deflect criticism from Dean Hoyle. In fact one even suggested you were simply posting content on his behalf. This is evident for all. I'm a lot of things, Pete, but a coward when it comes to posting my views online I am not. So, and I say this with all the respect you deserve, get back in your box. Thanks for asking. Under all the circumstances I'm doing well thanks BigDaddyG and hope you are too. I note your claim to be keeping it honest but do you accept that you started a new thread in an attempt to undermine the presumed intention of my thread? Also, do you accept that writing 'I say this with all the respect you deserve, get back in your box' was a bit small? Love and peace UTT No. And no.
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Post by huddersfc on May 8, 2021 16:52:22 GMT 1
Bet phil wishes he could write some stuff in here now He doesnt really need to, he has got his small fan club already on here who leap to his defence of everything he does, without anything at all to back it up. I think the fact though that so few people think he has done a good job, or even an average job, which speaks volumes. I know DH also has few apologists on here too, but the majority of people at least look at his chairmanship constructively and can balance the good he did with the bad.
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Post by rsouls on May 8, 2021 17:08:46 GMT 1
awful greedy man,cant stand him
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Post by rsouls on May 8, 2021 17:10:38 GMT 1
its not how you start a race its how you finish it and dean hoyle packed in the race near the finishing line,complete tit
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Post by softboy on May 9, 2021 22:02:23 GMT 1
If only we could have had Mel Morris as chairman instead. He has put the best part of £200m into Derby and not asked for a penny back , sadled them with huge debts and on the verge of selling the club to an overseas investor whose vision is not only PL but Champions League.
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Post by Big Ern on May 9, 2021 22:54:54 GMT 1
Given that some folk think this thread (https://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/115754/david-wagner-hero-villain) was written to shift the focus from Dean Hoyle to David Wagner, have at it. What's your verdict? I'd say hero turned villain, if rumours of his conduct since deciding to sell the club are to be believed, and I'd wager some of them must have a degree of truth. Colours to the mast - I have no time for Phil. I think he's a charlatan and is damaging the club. He should never have agreed to the deal if he felt he couldn't cope with the terms of it (even pre-covid). I've also met Dean, Janet and their lads on several occasions, and on a personal level like all of them a hell of a lot. I have a great deal of respect for them all, and gratitude for the positive impact they had on the club and the community. But, I'm a firm believer that if you take praise for your good deeds and successes, you have to take criticism for your bad deeds and failings. I have no issue with Dean being repaid the money he lent the club, but if the speed/rate or repayment leaves the club hamstrung and inept, on the verge of relegation or worse, then I have to condemn that. Additionally, I think the decisions made upon promotion and since showed real naivety and believe this is the crux of the matter - when Webber left, we made a series of flawed, poor decisions. Anyway, your views? Remember, let's not be abusive, but otherwise speak freely. Wow! How many members of DATM have started a thread to then discover that a moderator has started a new thread in an attempt to undermine the presumed intention of the member's thread? 'Given that some folk' appears cowardly and suggests that you needed to hide your motives for your thread behind 'some folk'. Those 'some folk' and yourself are incorrect in their presumption of my intentions. The majority of the recent focus has actually been on PH, CC and various people who have held the role of DOF. My intentions were as stated in my recent response on the thread in question. Funny how you can say Wagner bailed and left when it got difficult yet not denounce the chairman who left at pretty much the same time after 10s of millions of utter wank signings. Wagner was the manager. If you have an issue with him then God knows how you feel about every single manager we have had since 1980
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Post by El Mel on Jun 11, 2021 20:58:40 GMT 1
Come on G man.
Get your electronic eraser out.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 20, 2021 12:21:54 GMT 1
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Post by Maynardblue on Jul 20, 2021 13:03:58 GMT 1
I can see this thread becoming more active again in the coming months 🤐
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 20, 2021 13:13:57 GMT 1
I can see this thread becoming more active again in the coming months 🤐
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 13:14:01 GMT 1
I can see this thread becoming more active again in the coming months 🤐 Are the club getting behind the charitable work he is doing with the Leeds Hospitals?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 20, 2021 13:15:16 GMT 1
Most fans having been watching relegation fodder over recent seasons mainly because the parachute payments which were vital for investment to secure the clubs future when relegated went elsewhere.
Hoyle has been both hero and villain in my opinion but feel his biggest mistake he made was to how and who he sold the club to.
Always nice to know that he still has financial interest in the club .
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Post by benhomly on Jul 20, 2021 13:18:18 GMT 1
A clever attempt by BigDaddyG to deflect attention from the Oti and admin threads
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 20, 2021 13:30:07 GMT 1
A clever attempt by BigDaddyG to deflect attention from the Oti and admin threads Yes, you're right, I rang Dean and asked him to stand down from his position. He's another of my puppets.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 20, 2021 13:34:22 GMT 1
A clever attempt by BigDaddyG to deflect attention from the Oti and admin threads Yes, you're right, I rang Dean and asked him to stand down from his position. He's another of my puppets. It was a joke, blimey the sense of humour by-pass on this board is working a treat these days. For a wannabe stand up comedian who more than likely dishes it out with every set you do you don't like it when it comes back do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 13:37:48 GMT 1
A clever attempt by BigDaddyG to deflect attention from the Oti and admin threads Yes, you're right, I rang Dean and asked him to stand down from his position. He's another of my puppets. It's all part of the masterplan. First we seize The Works, next we seize the means of production.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 20, 2021 14:20:24 GMT 1
I can see this thread becoming more active again in the coming months 🤐 What he's selling his shares in the Works to fund his rebuy?
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Post by Maynardblue on Jul 20, 2021 14:35:01 GMT 1
I can see this thread becoming more active again in the coming months 🤐 What he's selling his shares in the Works to fund his rebuy? Er, no
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