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Post by Macduff on May 11, 2021 19:20:34 GMT 1
I am led to believe that Keogh was retained to make everyone else at the club seem better looking.
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Post by thrice on May 11, 2021 19:28:30 GMT 1
Interesting fact: If Bacuna and Mbenza leaves this window the only players we actually have paid a fee for are: - Toffolo (£500k) - Keogh (if he signs god forbid) - Pipa (£500k) - Hogg (£400k) - D Holmes (or was he free?) - Koroma (£300k) - Sorba Thomas (£200k?) That this squad plus the departing superstars have managed to not get relegated has to be seen as an achievement, Bromby and co have a job on their hands this summer, that’s for sure! I thought that I had read bewildering figures of £250k for Keogh & £750k for Holmes when they arrived? |
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Post by Wingman on May 11, 2021 19:30:01 GMT 1
The offer to Keogh is for a player/coaching role. Will only be back up with 2 new centre halves hopefully on the way. Campbell had triggered an extension on his current wages but has agreed to sign a deal on much reduced terms - well done Frazier. Top man Fraizer. Had his knockers on here but puts a shift in, and I can see him ending his career here if he stays the full two years. |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 11, 2021 19:33:24 GMT 1
Keogh given a two year deal! Hmmm! Edit: had another look and it may be a fake account, so hold off on the outrage for a while. You've fallen for "Sandra's" change of name yet again.😁 Yes I realised that eventually. There's no fool like an old fool... as they say. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 11, 2021 19:35:35 GMT 1
The offer to Keogh is for a player/coaching role. Will only be back up with 2 new centre halves hopefully on the way. Campbell had triggered an extension on his current wages but has agreed to sign a deal on much reduced terms - well done Frazier. Top man Fraizer. Had his knockers on here but puts a shift in, and I can see him ending his career here if he stays the full two years. So we got Williams todger live on sky and now campbells knockers on DATM! |
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Post by Porrohman on May 11, 2021 19:35:54 GMT 1
You've fallen for "Sandra's" change of name yet again.😁 Yes I realised that eventually. There's no fool like an old fool... as they say. Tbh I fall for it every time 😁 |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 11, 2021 19:36:07 GMT 1
I don’t get the hatred towards Keogh one bit. He’s had a solid career that he’s put his guts into. One mistake on a night out by being a passenger in a car doesn’t make him a bad guy. We’ve always loved a player who gives heart and soul, especially when it is that over technique & natural ability that has elevated them to where they are. Real hypocritical the way he is slagged off yet the likes of Bullock, Jock Morrison & Jepson are still revered. They all had far worse misdemeanours. Give the bloke a break and trust those who work with him day in day out. This 1000%. I never understand the nostalgic pining, among those of a certain vintage, for footballers to be what they used to be like. Then the moment any player exhibits any sort of personality, individuality, or human qualities, they're suddenly the biggest disgrace known to humanity and an indictment of the current state of the sport |
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Post by alexdire on May 11, 2021 19:37:56 GMT 1
Absolutely gutted Pritchard has gone. It's a sad, sad day. You just know that he's gonna be a massive success at his next club!!! He's barely played for two seasons and wasn't any good in the one before those. It's very rare that a player shines after having a couple of seasons on his backside. He'll never be any good again. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 19:45:38 GMT 1
You just know that he's gonna be a massive success at his next club!!! He's barely played for two seasons and wasn't any good in the one before those. It's very rare that a player shines after having a couple of seasons on his backside. He'll never be any good again. I think those posts, certainly the first one, were ironic. |
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Post by townrwe on May 11, 2021 19:46:06 GMT 1
The offer to Keogh is for a player/coaching role. Will only be back up with 2 new centre halves hopefully on the way. Campbell had triggered an extension on his current wages but has agreed to sign a deal on much reduced terms - well done Frazier. Rather see REG and Critchlow play unless there is a serious plan to go for it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 11, 2021 19:48:25 GMT 1
I don’t get the hatred towards Keogh one bit. He’s had a solid career that he’s put his guts into. One mistake on a night out by being a passenger in a car doesn’t make him a bad guy. We’ve always loved a player who gives heart and soul, especially when it is that over technique & natural ability that has elevated them to where they are. Real hypocritical the way he is slagged off yet the likes of Bullock, Jock Morrison & Jepson are still revered. They all had far worse misdemeanours. Give the bloke a break and trust those who work with him day in day out. This 1000%. I never understand the nostalgic pining, among those of a certain vintage, for footballers to be what they used to be like. Then the moment any player exhibits any sort of personality, individuality, or human qualities, they're suddenly the biggest disgrace known to humanity and an indictment of the current state of the sport  |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 11, 2021 19:56:50 GMT 1
If he’s 4th choice and his wages have been cut by 75% then fine. Unfortunately I don’t think he will be 4th choice. To answer your question I don’t know off the top of my head. My worry is that the club don’t know either because we absolutely should be aiming for better than Campbell. I would rather us look at forwards from league 2. What other championship team would Campbell get into? I don’t think he would get into any other teams starting line up. Other than working hard - what qualities has he got that make him effective? “Working hard” is not enough for a striker at this level. I’m astonished that they have not taken up the option to release one of the most impotent strikers I’ve ever seen at town. What Championship team would he get into? - Not many, but he was never intended to be our starting striker. He's intended to be a squad player and would get into the squad of a good number of championship teams. I think a lot of clubs would have him in this division. Ok he isn't prolific. 7 goals isn't a complete disaster but isn't exactly great either. But you know what you're going to get from him. He'll defend from the front all day long. Wont give their defenders any time to settle and think they're on easy street. Hell be in their faces, making sure they know they're in a game. And he's probably a really good character and example to have around. Lot to be said for players like that. Do people really think because we've given him another year, that's it.. we won't be bothering looking at a main striker?? |
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Post by boooothy on May 11, 2021 19:58:51 GMT 1
Keogh will earn a lot less than Elphick or Stearman. He’s the obvious one of the 3 to keep.
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Post by waggers on May 11, 2021 20:01:55 GMT 1
Do we have any idea the new wages of Bacuna and Mbenza? Surely it's at least a considerable wage drop?
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Post by htfc63 on May 11, 2021 20:10:20 GMT 1
I have to laugh at some of the comments on here regarding how good Campbell is and he should be vice captain.
A Captain or vice captain should be a leader and vocal which he is not.
Whilst he chases down defenders he often either fouls them, falls on his backside or they just pass around him.
He is not a prolific header of the ball which means the long ball from our goal keeper more than likely is picked off by a centre half.
He does not have any type of reasonable ability to take shots at goal and oh yes as a forward his goal tally is pretty poor.
I realise he runs around but if that’s what we need employ Usain Bolt.
Add him to Ward who is mostly anonymous when he plays and potentially getting Rhodes who in the main nearly only scores in the six yard box and we have a pretty weak attack none of whom like to head the ball which is hardly likely to improve our corner / dead ball conversion ratio.
To be honest I would rather play Phillips or Harret as they are more likely to score.
To be frank the retained list is a disgrace as apart from possibly Vallejo and Critchlow the others have most of the time have been inconsistent and the reason why we have not even been average this season.
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 11, 2021 20:11:29 GMT 1
I’d guess, if it’s an automatic extension of an existing deal, the terms will be the same.
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Post by btwoowah on May 11, 2021 20:35:45 GMT 1
If you can answer: 1. why was Keogh offered this role rather than Stearman or Elphick? 2. what was the background to Campbell agreeing to this? Was there a gentleman's agreement / discussion avoiding a silly situation of (say) not playing Frazier so as not to trigger the extension? The first question, just down to character and aptitude I'd imagine. Keogh has been very impressive behind the scenes. I'm sure the other 2 have a future in coaching just not with us at this time This deal was only agreed recently with Frazier, the option was triggered some time ago and he would have been within his rights to take the terms but I think he genuinely wanted to help out. He knows he won't be first choice but seems to want to still be a part of things. That's my take on it anyway. It’s Fraizer, not Frazier, Manyard |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 20:36:16 GMT 1
I don’t get the hatred towards Keogh one bit. He’s had a solid career that he’s put his guts into. One mistake on a night out by being a passenger in a car doesn’t make him a bad guy. We’ve always loved a player who gives heart and soul, especially when it is that over technique & natural ability that has elevated them to where they are. Real hypocritical the way he is slagged off yet the likes of Bullock, Jock Morrison & Jepson are still revered. They all had far worse misdemeanours. Give the bloke a break and trust those who work with him day in day out. Completely agree. That and the fact that he's won his unfair dismissal case suggests that - although he could perhaps have set a better example that night - he clearly wasn't nearly as complicit as the players who....Derby kept on. He was a decent signing in the circumstances, during an almost unprecedented injury crisis in that particular position - and I don't see any reason why he can't go on to have a similar influence to the likes of Whitehead and Hudson. I have no issues with him re-signing, given the new role and the fact that we're quite clearly looking for new recruits at the back. |
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Post by omegasupreme on May 11, 2021 22:26:37 GMT 1
What Championship team would he get into? - Not many, but he was never intended to be our starting striker. He's intended to be a squad player and would get into the squad of a good number of championship teams. I think a lot of clubs would have him in this division. Ok he isn't prolific. 7 goals isn't a complete disaster but isn't exactly great either. But you know what you're going to get from him. He'll defend from the front all day long. Wont give their defenders any time to settle and think they're on easy street. Hell be in their faces, making sure they know they're in a game. And he's probably a really good character and example to have around. Lot to be said for players like that. Do people really think because we've given him another year, that's it.. we won't be bothering looking at a main striker?? So good character, hard worker, good example, defends from the front. I agree with all that but it’s testament to what we’ve come to expect from this board that this is what we’re happy/content with in a forward. Better than Sonogo so he‘ll do. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 22:29:21 GMT 1
Do we have any idea the new wages of Bacuna and Mbenza? Surely it's at least a considerable wage drop? As its an extension to current contractual terms for both, no, not at all. |
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Post by omegasupreme on May 11, 2021 22:29:59 GMT 1
If he’s 4th choice and his wages have been cut by 75% then fine. Unfortunately I don’t think he will be 4th choice. To answer your question I don’t know off the top of my head. My worry is that the club don’t know either because we absolutely should be aiming for better than Campbell. I would rather us look at forwards from league 2. What other championship team would Campbell get into? I don’t think he would get into any other teams starting line up. Other than working hard - what qualities has he got that make him effective? “Working hard” is not enough for a striker at this level. I’m astonished that they have not taken up the option to release one of the most impotent strikers I’ve ever seen at town. “what qualities has he got that make him effective?“ Erm, scoring some goals, one spectacular. And don’t underestimate just “working hard”. He leads by example, he has a true Terrier spirit. Definitely worth keeping in a major period of transition. “Scoring some goals”. Jesus. Edmonds-Green did that this season as well. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 11, 2021 22:34:02 GMT 1
I think a lot of clubs would have him in this division. Ok he isn't prolific. 7 goals isn't a complete disaster but isn't exactly great either. But you know what you're going to get from him. He'll defend from the front all day long. Wont give their defenders any time to settle and think they're on easy street. Hell be in their faces, making sure they know they're in a game. And he's probably a really good character and example to have around. Lot to be said for players like that. Do people really think because we've given him another year, that's it.. we won't be bothering looking at a main striker?? So good character, hard worker, good example, defends from the front. I agree with all that but it’s testament to what we’ve come to expect from this board that this is what we’re happy/content with in a forward. Better than Sonogo so he‘ll do. As third or fourth choice, yes. You're not going to find a third or fourth choice striker at any club that bangs goals in for fun. Unless you're maybe Man City or Barcelona. |
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Post by Uddersfield on May 11, 2021 22:37:34 GMT 1
Quite happy for FC to stay. He’s a workaholic and will be good for the last 15 mins or so against tired defenders.
Not sure about Keogh though.. came in to try and tighten the defence in which we then went on to concede the most goals in the league. Hopefully it’s for just a coaching role as he shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting XI
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Post by Captainslapper on May 11, 2021 23:25:52 GMT 1
I think a lot of clubs would have him in this division. Ok he isn't prolific. 7 goals isn't a complete disaster but isn't exactly great either. But you know what you're going to get from him. He'll defend from the front all day long. Wont give their defenders any time to settle and think they're on easy street. Hell be in their faces, making sure they know they're in a game. And he's probably a really good character and example to have around. Lot to be said for players like that. Do people really think because we've given him another year, that's it.. we won't be bothering looking at a main striker?? So good character, hard worker, good example, defends from the front. I agree with all that but it’s testament to what we’ve come to expect from this board that this is what we’re happy/content with in a forward. Better than Sonogo so he‘ll do. What are you expecting? That we have an array of 30 goal a season strikers to pick from each game? Youre supporting the wrong club if you are! If you agree with all those attributes and can see a value in them, that's what's the issue with having a striking option with them? And that's what he'll be next season.. an option. We arent going to keep Campbell instead of bringing in another striker or two if that's your concern. What we've come to expect from this board is that they can't just magic tens of millions of pounds out of thin air. |
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Post by space hardware on May 11, 2021 23:34:40 GMT 1
So good character, hard worker, good example, defends from the front. I agree with all that but it’s testament to what we’ve come to expect from this board that this is what we’re happy/content with in a forward. Better than Sonogo so he‘ll do. What are you expecting? That we have an array of 30 goal a season strikers to pick from each game? Youre supporting the wrong club if you are! If you agree with all those attributes and can see a value in them, that's what's the issue with having a striking option with them? And that's what he'll be next season.. an option. We arent going to keep Campbell instead of bringing in another striker or two if that's your concern. What we've come to expect from this board is that they can't just magic tens of millions of pounds out of thin air. No, clearly not, as Hodgkinson is as poor as a church mouse in footballing terms. But tens of millions of pounds of future revenue can head straight into the back skyrocket of the previous owner though. |
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Post by bigtruck on May 11, 2021 23:44:13 GMT 1
I don’t get the hatred towards Keogh one bit. He’s had a solid career that he’s put his guts into. One mistake on a night out by being a passenger in a car doesn’t make him a bad guy. We’ve always loved a player who gives heart and soul, especially when it is that over technique & natural ability that has elevated them to where they are. Real hypocritical the way he is slagged off yet the likes of Bullock, Jock Morrison & Jepson are still revered. They all had far worse misdemeanours. Give the bloke a break and trust those who work with him day in day out. Completely agree. That and the fact that he's won his unfair dismissal case suggests that - although he could perhaps have set a better example that night - he clearly wasn't nearly as complicit as the players who....Derby kept on. He was a decent signing in the circumstances, during an almost unprecedented injury crisis in that particular position - and I don't see any reason why he can't go on to have a similar influence to the likes of Whitehead and Hudson. I have no issues with him re-signing, given the new role and the fact that we're quite clearly looking for new recruits at the back. Setting an example and being a mentor tend to come hand in hand though. |
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Post by Amigo on May 12, 2021 0:19:12 GMT 1
I have to laugh at some of the comments on here regarding how good Campbell is and he should be vice captain. A Captain or vice captain should be a leader and vocal which he is not. Whilst he chases down defenders he often either fouls them, falls on his backside or they just pass around him. He is not a prolific header of the ball which means the long ball from our goal keeper more than likely is picked off by a centre half. He does not have any type of reasonable ability to take shots at goal and oh yes as a forward his goal tally is pretty poor. I realise he runs around but if that’s what we need employ Usain Bolt. Add him to Ward who is mostly anonymous when he plays and potentially getting Rhodes who in the main nearly only scores in the six yard box and we have a pretty weak attack none of whom like to head the ball which is hardly likely to improve our corner / dead ball conversion ratio. To be honest I would rather play Phillips or Harret as they are more likely to score. To be frank the retained list is a disgrace as apart from possibly Vallejo and Critchlow the others have most of the time have been inconsistent and the reason why we have not even been average this season. Not sure how the retained list can be described as a disgrace, if anything the one word I'd use to describe it is - sensible. |
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Post by willo on May 12, 2021 0:54:47 GMT 1
I’m fine with Vallejo & Crichlow hanging around, can see the sense with Campbell and at a (big) stretch can see the benefit of giving Keogh a deal. But Bacuna & Mbenza? No way, they’re a couple of fuckin chancers. Not the ideal start for the close season for me and hardly inspires me to want to renew as it stands.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 12, 2021 1:10:46 GMT 1
I’m fine with Vallejo & Crichlow hanging around, can see the sense with Campbell and at a (big) stretch can see the benefit of giving Keogh a deal. But Bacuna & Mbenza? No way, they’re a couple of fuckin chancers. Not the ideal start for the close season for me and hardly inspires me to want to renew as it stands. Do you really think they'll still be here come the close of the window? Seriously? |
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Post by somtam on May 12, 2021 1:46:16 GMT 1
Can’t understand keeping Keogh unless it’s just to have an older head around the place. He’s not good enough for Championship football any more. We need 2 new centre halves bringing in. I'm old, can I get a job telling a bunch of kids how great they are? I'll do it for less money too. |
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