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Post by TommyTheTerrier on May 11, 2021 16:09:53 GMT 1
Interesting fact: If Bacuna and Mbenza leaves this window the only players we actually have paid a fee for are: - Toffolo (£500k) - Keogh (if he signs god forbid) - Pipa (£500k) - Hogg (£400k) - D Holmes (or was he free?) - Koroma (£300k) - Sorba Thomas (£200k?) That this squad plus the departing superstars have managed to not get relegated has to be seen as an achievement, Bromby and co have a job on their hands this summer, that’s for sure! Premier League Legacy. |
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Post by 4 pts on May 11, 2021 16:11:02 GMT 1
I have mixed feelings regarding Pritchard. I am elated he has left, what an absolute waste of skin. I am sickened when I think of the money he has taken from our club. Norwich sold him for £11m and then went and bought Buendia for £2m....deary me |
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Post by ldotm on May 11, 2021 16:13:04 GMT 1
Can’t believe we’ve let Pritchard go.. wow, speechless. What a player he’s been for us.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 11, 2021 16:13:37 GMT 1
All looks fairly sensible bar Keogh. Don’t ever want to see him and Sarr on the same pitch together. Shame about Niasse, but looks like he might be packing in. The “player/mentor” bit on the official site is worrying. Who in their right mind thinks he has the attributes to be a role model?? What next, Adam Johnson as the child welfare officer? Why? Keogh's had a really good career. About 550 club appearances, almost 30 caps for Ireland. One of those players that's eeked out every bit of the ability he had to do as well as he can. I don't know him as a bloke, but isn't that the kind of thing that you'd want young players to look at and learn from? He might only get a game in an emergency, but he might well be a brilliant old pro to have around the training ground for we know, with a view to doing a bit of coaching. yeah he made a mistake getting in that car. But if were looking for players that have never made a mistake, we'll be struggling. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on May 11, 2021 16:19:39 GMT 1
I wonder how many teams have ever released two players that did not play a single representative second for the club. How strange...
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Post by huddersfc on May 11, 2021 16:23:52 GMT 1
If they havnt got deals lined up for Bacuna and Mbenza to leave then its crackers to think we are going to pay them for another year. Until we see what happens when the window opens, I will give the club the benefit of the doubt on extending their contracts, but to think we are paying them thousands a week over the summer still doesnt sit right.
What made me laugh was the club wanting to thank the 9 players leaving for their hard work and contribution. I immediately think of what Pritchard has contributed in relation to his wages while at the club. Horrible little bloke, and fingers crossed the only offer he gets now is from a conference team on a pay to play deal.
It wasnt quite as funny as reading we are in negotiations with Keogh as a player/mentor. We are actually considering paying him a wage? I wouldnt negotiate with him to even clean the fucking urinals. We already have one carthorse we signed last summer who will probably spend the next 2 years of his contract injured, why dont we get him doing some mentoring to earn his money. Is it literally just a made up job for the boys kind of role? I imagine PH will have the season tickets flying out with announcements like that.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 11, 2021 16:27:34 GMT 1
There were three players I'd have retained; Campbell, Vallejo and Crichlow ... and they have been retained I think Mbenza and Bacuna are retained to get some form of fee - even if it's just a sell on percentage clause. It is a risk though especially on Mbenza who seemed to stop trying again after Xmas Keogh. Firstly he's not signed and may not, we don't know what money is being offered and his role sounds very similar to what Michael Tonge does - www.htafc.com/news/2020/november/michael-tonge-joins-academy-in-new-coaching-role/ |
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Post by lindleyterrier88 on May 11, 2021 16:29:03 GMT 1
Interesting fact: If Bacuna and Mbenza leaves this window the only players we actually have paid a fee for are: - Toffolo (£500k) - Keogh (if he signs god forbid) - Pipa (£500k) - Hogg (£400k) - D Holmes (or was he free?) - Koroma (£300k) - Sorba Thomas (£200k?) That this squad plus the departing superstars have managed to not get relegated has to be seen as an achievement, Bromby and co have a job on their hands this summer, that’s for sure! And this is the most worrying aspect, Bromby is the one in charge of fixing that mess |
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 11, 2021 16:30:37 GMT 1
Can’t believe we’ve let Pritchard go.. wow, speechless. What a player he’s been for us. It's a sad day 😞 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 11, 2021 16:35:50 GMT 1
I bet it's around 90k a week in wages they've saved in the released players alone. What's that, about £4.5m a year?
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Post by thomo on May 11, 2021 16:36:41 GMT 1
Interesting fact: If Bacuna and Mbenza leaves this window the only players we actually have paid a fee for are: - Toffolo (£500k) - Keogh (if he signs god forbid) - Pipa (£500k) - Hogg (£400k) - D Holmes (or was he free?) - Koroma (£300k) - Sorba Thomas (£200k?) That this squad plus the departing superstars have managed to not get relegated has to be seen as an achievement, Bromby and co have a job on their hands this summer, that’s for sure! Mbenza and Bacuna aside (let’s face it they’re going) surely our wage bill must be less than £10 mil now. In fact it’s hard to see it being much more than £5m. Lots of scope to bring in the quality we’ve been missing |
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 11, 2021 16:39:48 GMT 1
Interesting fact: If Bacuna and Mbenza leaves this window the only players we actually have paid a fee for are: - Toffolo (£500k) - Keogh (if he signs god forbid) - Pipa (£500k) - Hogg (£400k) - D Holmes (or was he free?) - Koroma (£300k) - Sorba Thomas (£200k?) That this squad plus the departing superstars have managed to not get relegated has to be seen as an achievement, Bromby and co have a job on their hands this summer, that’s for sure! Mbenza and Bacuna aside (let’s face it they’re going) surely our wage bill must be less than £10 mil now. In fact it’s hard to see it being much more than £5m. Lots of scope to bring in the quality we’ve been missing Lots of scope to bring in a whole new crock of shite too! |
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Post by townrwe on May 11, 2021 16:40:00 GMT 1
I am sorry but at Championship level Richard Keogh (for all his undoubted effort and commitment) is simply no longer capable at the standard required. He should not be considered as a player at this level any longer. A coach is a different issue but even as an emergency option he is way past his best. As for retaining Frazier Campbell....well, despite the effort he puts is, let's just say that indifferent news was buried behind the fitting farewell to Schindy. You look at the players still under contract there are only a handful that give you a semblance of hope. I know we have to wait and see how things shake out but I had limited confidence in those making our footballing decisions and let's just say my confidence isn't increasing. I just don't think enough people at the club get how important this summer is. We cannot afford a mediocre set of signings that mean we have players at the club who we essentially have to wait until their contracts run out. If we are sticking with Corberan, and that is an entirely different debate, then we need to build a team not merely sign players. The news that Campbell is staying and Keogh is considered a viable playing option demonstrates that those in charge have a different view to me as to what is required. I will be delighted to be proved completely wrong but I fear we will be having a debate in October about what should have happened. I get we have limited resources, so we need to be dynamic and thorough in recruitment. At the moment we look predictable and 10 years behind where we should be. What I really don't understand is that the collective on here are usually pretty good with signings before they even arrive, that same collective generally can see what we need..... so why on earth do professionals see something different, only for them then to prove the collective correct. Sonogoals.... it was obvious a mile off, Wards injuries and lack of motivation when he's back home, Holmes wasn't good enough and still isn't.... the list goes on. Waiting for donkey Rhodes to turn up next. |
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Post by crux on May 11, 2021 16:40:16 GMT 1
There was three players I'd have retained; Campbell, Vallejo and Crichlow ... and they have been retained I think Mbenza and Bacuna are retained to get some form of fee - even if it's just a sell on percentage clause. It is a risk though especially on Mbenza who seemed to stop trying again after Xmas Keogh. Firstly he's not signed and may not, we don't know what money is being offered and his role sounds very similar to what Michael Tonge does - www.htafc.com/news/2020/november/michael-tonge-joins-academy-in-new-coaching-role/ I'm not sure I'd have retained Campbell if the rumoured signing of Rhodes is true, but it does sound as though there was an automatic extension due to the number of appearances anyway - I agree on the other two. On Mbenza, it does sound like he's been carrying a groin injury since the New Year - but I agree, it did look like he'd stopped trying. With Keogh, he might not need much money seeing as Derby need to now pay him over £2M as a settlement on his contract. He may also appreciate the chance to work on the coaching / mentoring side as his playing career winds down. |
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Post by detox on May 11, 2021 16:40:50 GMT 1
That retained list looks horrendous.... Totally agree. If the club wants to make a start on repairing its relationship with its fans then it has to produce some bloody good results with recruitment this Summer. Already under contract in 2021/22 Pipa Harry Toffolo Jonathan Hogg Lewis O’Brien Duane Holmes Rolando Aarons - fringe Josh Koroma Sorba Thomas -fringe Danny Grant - fringe Naby Sarr Danny Ward Aaron Rowe Ben Jackson - fringe Ryan Schofield Jacob Chapman - fringe Matty Daly - fringe Rarmani Edmonds-Green Kieran Phillips - fringe Scott High - frings Reece Brown - fringe
Basically we have a first team squad of 11 players..that includes Rowe, Ward, Holmes, Sarr, Schofield...so basically 6 players at some degree of Championship standard..six!
The 9 'fringe/unproven players' cannot be counted as 1st team at this stage...
We have a massive job to bring in Championship level players to add to a match squad of 16...somewhere between five and ten of them in fact ....
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Post by townrwe on May 11, 2021 16:41:44 GMT 1
Think Bacuna is getting a tough ride, he is a goalscoring midfielder, I hope we play him higher up the field so he can concentrate on creating and scoring. His goals and assists will take alot of replacing playing alongside obrien and hogg.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 11, 2021 16:45:19 GMT 1
Totally agree. If the club wants to make a start on repairing its relationship with its fans then it has to produce some bloody good results with recruitment this Summer. Already under contract in 2021/22 Pipa Harry Toffolo Jonathan Hogg Lewis O’Brien Duane Holmes Rolando Aarons - fringe Josh Koroma Sorba Thomas -fringe Danny Grant - fringe Naby Sarr Danny Ward Aaron Rowe Ben Jackson - fringe Ryan Schofield Jacob Chapman - fringe Matty Daly - fringe Rarmani Edmonds-Green Kieran Phillips - fringe Scott High - frings Reece Brown - fringe
Basically we have a first team squad of 11 players..that includes Rowe, Ward, Holmes, Sarr, Schofield...so basically 6 players at some degree of Championship standard..six!
The 9 'fringe/unproven players' cannot be counted as 1st team at this stage...
We have a massive job to bring in Championship level players to add to a match squad of 16...somewhere between five and ten of them in fact ....
4 players already signed apparently & if we sign Eiting that makes it 5 before the window gets into full swing |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 11, 2021 16:47:30 GMT 1
I wonder how many teams have ever released two players that did not play a single representative second for the club. How strange... I'd imagine there's quite a few PL clubs do that, assuming you're talking about first team appearances being zilch? Did Brown or Palmer ever play a competitive second for Chelsea? |
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Post by crux on May 11, 2021 16:50:02 GMT 1
Already under contract in 2021/22 Pipa Harry Toffolo Jonathan Hogg Lewis O’Brien Duane Holmes Rolando Aarons - fringe Josh Koroma Sorba Thomas -fringe Danny Grant - fringe Naby Sarr Danny Ward Aaron Rowe Ben Jackson - fringe Ryan Schofield Jacob Chapman - fringe Matty Daly - fringe Rarmani Edmonds-Green Kieran Phillips - fringe Scott High - frings Reece Brown - fringe Basically we have a first team squad of 11 players..that includes Rowe, Ward, Holmes, Sarr, Schofield...so basically 6 players at some degree of Championship standard..six!
The 9 'fringe/unproven players' cannot be counted as 1st team at this stage... We have a massive job to bring in Championship level players to add to a match squad of 16...somewhere between five and ten of them in fact ....
4 players already signed apparently & if we sign Eiting that makes it 5 before the window gets into full swing We've already (re)signed FIVE - Critchlow, Bacuna, Mbenza, Vallejo & Campbell  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 11, 2021 16:50:22 GMT 1
I've got some footage of Pritchard leaving. Looks like he's even taking the wrong dog mascot as well, eejit...
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 11, 2021 16:54:05 GMT 1
Same way that Stankovic left last season. We had an option to extend for him but the club tried to renegotiate so he would be on less money and he then left for a free So the club didn't exercise the option for Stankovic, where as they have for Bacuna and Mbenza. I'm perplexed why this is causing so much confusion. If the club have the option of the extension it's their right to exercise it meaning that player cannot leave. Not keeping Stankovic and then several months later you’ve had 6 combinations of players to fill his position, mainly with little success reminds me of Bruce in his early days in charge, got rid of Wayne Allison and then later on it’s Ngongo, Armstrong, Hey and Uncle Tom Cobbley all failing to fill a gap that Allison would have slotted back into. Money saving exercise that ends up costing a lot more and not working anyway. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 11, 2021 16:55:00 GMT 1
I wonder how many teams have ever released two players that did not play a single representative second for the club. How strange... I'd imagine there's quite a few PL clubs do that, assuming you're talking about first team appearances being zilch? Did Brown or Palmer ever play a competitive second for Chelsea? Or Robert Green ? |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on May 11, 2021 16:56:31 GMT 1
Tommy Elphick
Alex Pritchard
Oumar Niasse
Richard Stearman
Jayson Leutwiler
Demeaco Duhaney
Christopher Schindler
Jaden Brown
Yaya Sanogo
What we reckon? 120k a week off the books there? More?
Absolutely no problem with any of the contract decisions so far. Some big squad gaps to fill now.
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Post by detox on May 11, 2021 16:57:20 GMT 1
4 players already signed apparently & if we sign Eiting that makes it 5 before the window gets into full swing We've already (re)signed FIVE - Critchlow, Bacuna, Mbenza, Vallejo & Campbell Championship standard ?? |
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Post by Melc on May 11, 2021 17:05:26 GMT 1
No complaints from me. Hopefully keogh on reduced wages and with reduced appearences. Be good to have around The nearest he should get to the first team is as an interpreter for Our Carlos. |
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Post by townrwe on May 11, 2021 17:15:09 GMT 1
No complaints from me. Hopefully keogh on reduced wages and with reduced appearences. Be good to have around The nearest he should get to the first team is as an interpreter for Our Carlos. That would make great TV. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 17:16:29 GMT 1
Keogh makes perfect sense. Mentoring the younger lads and as backup, we lost 3 senior centre backs this season.
Bacuna I have no issue with. I know he can be frustrating but he is a talented footballer. Even if he comes on with 30 minutes left and runs at tired defences I would have him in the squad.
Mbenza must be for sell on I assume. He had a good first half of the season but really lost application after that, for whatever reason.
The other retained players all good.
The ones who have gone, other than Schindler, is pretty much what we all assumed.
Now lets see who comes in.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on May 11, 2021 17:21:58 GMT 1
I am sorry but at Championship level Richard Keogh (for all his undoubted effort and commitment) is simply no longer capable at the standard required. He should not be considered as a player at this level any longer. A coach is a different issue but even as an emergency option he is way past his best. As for retaining Frazier Campbell....well, despite the effort he puts is, let's just say that indifferent news was buried behind the fitting farewell to Schindy. You look at the players still under contract there are only a handful that give you a semblance of hope. I know we have to wait and see how things shake out but I had limited confidence in those making our footballing decisions and let's just say my confidence isn't increasing. I just don't think enough people at the club get how important this summer is. We cannot afford a mediocre set of signings that mean we have players at the club who we essentially have to wait until their contracts run out. If we are sticking with Corberan, and that is an entirely different debate, then we need to build a team not merely sign players. The news that Campbell is staying and Keogh is considered a viable playing option demonstrates that those in charge have a different view to me as to what is required. I will be delighted to be proved completely wrong but I fear we will be having a debate in October about what should have happened. I get we have limited resources, so we need to be dynamic and thorough in recruitment. At the moment we look predictable and 10 years behind where we should be. What I really don't understand is that the collective on here are usually pretty good with signings before they even arrive, that same collective generally can see what we need..... so why on earth do professionals see something different, only for them then to prove the collective correct. Sonogoals.... it was obvious a mile off, Wards injuries and lack of motivation when he's back home, Holmes wasn't good enough and still isn't.... the list goes on. Waiting for donkey Rhodes to turn up next. Surely with Campbell staying that's the Rhodes rumour quashed. Considering it would have been a slight upgrade on the experienced striker role. |
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Post by Maynardblue on May 11, 2021 17:32:04 GMT 1
The offer to Keogh is for a player/coaching role. Will only be back up with 2 new centre halves hopefully on the way.
Campbell had triggered an extension on his current wages but has agreed to sign a deal on much reduced terms - well done Frazier.
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Post by crux on May 11, 2021 17:33:27 GMT 1
We've already (re)signed FIVE - Critchlow, Bacuna, Mbenza, Vallejo & Campbell Championship standard ?? It was a tongue in cheek post, but to answer your question. Vallejo is, Chritchlow could be, Campbell was but probably isn't good enough now for all the effort he will give. As for the other two, I'm hoping they both leave and we recoup some money. However, they both could be Championship standard if they could be bothered. Bacuna could be Premier League quality, it depends on whether he sorts himself out - if he doesn't it could be Northern Premier League rather than EPL. He's got all the talent in his feet, he just hasn't worked out how to use it in a team setting. |
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