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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 10, 2021 12:13:00 GMT 1
will they be relegated?
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 10, 2021 12:15:05 GMT 1
Wycombe to stay up?
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Post by merseysideterrier on May 10, 2021 12:15:24 GMT 1
We can only hope, can't stand Wayne Rooney FC of Derby or their corporate overlords.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 10, 2021 12:19:34 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished?
Suggests to me their punishment will be next season.
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Post by impact on May 10, 2021 12:19:52 GMT 1
I don't see how they can. The precedent was set last year when Wednesday were deducted points for the year after despite it only being a week or so after the season ended. The logic was that appeals would take some time and you can't unrelegate someone partway through the next season.
It's also a tough case surrounding the legality of their amortisation method. It won't be resolved quickly as Derby will argue their case.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 10, 2021 12:20:12 GMT 1
How does it stand for bookies that have already paid out for them staying up or Wycombe going down?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 10, 2021 12:20:46 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished? Suggests to me their punishment will be next season. how harsh do you think the punishment might be?
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Post by bogart on May 10, 2021 12:22:41 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished? Suggests to me their punishment will be next season. Would agree any points deduction will be next season. If Derby had been relegated would have made the EFLs job easier could have deducted the points this season. Shows what a set of fairies they are.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 10, 2021 12:22:48 GMT 1
-15 next season reduced to -6 on appeal.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 12:29:51 GMT 1
It'll end up being a piddly six-point deduction, just like Wednesday. What they should do, though, is split it - three points this season, three points next. Sorted.
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Post by bluestripe on May 10, 2021 12:35:30 GMT 1
It'll end up being a piddly six-point deduction, just like Wednesday. What they should do, though, is split it - three points this season, three points next. Sorted. Piddly or not, it was the difference for the Massive.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 10, 2021 12:36:40 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished? Suggests to me their punishment will be next season. how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once?
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Post by ruggedivy on May 10, 2021 12:39:57 GMT 1
Crooked behaviour from the EFL. They have known about this for a while but only break the news once the season has ended. Points deduction is guaranteed to be for next season giving Derby plenty of time to prepare.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 10, 2021 12:40:33 GMT 1
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 10, 2021 12:40:36 GMT 1
2 points this season, 13 next would seem fair to me.
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Post by Porrohman on May 10, 2021 12:41:25 GMT 1
how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? Leeds got extra for the way they went about going into administration, I seem to remember. Along the lines of putting themselves into admin as soon as they were relegated to try to get clear of their debt.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 12:43:52 GMT 1
It's a piss take. Derby have been doing this sort of shit for at least 3 seasons. And clubs will continue to get away with it as long as there is the rule that once you've got over the border (Premier League) there is nothing that can be done about it.
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Post by iangreaves on May 10, 2021 12:49:17 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished? Suggests to me their punishment will be next season. how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Not harsh enough, whatever it is.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 10, 2021 12:49:58 GMT 1
Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? Leeds got extra for the way they went about going into administration, I seem to remember. Along the lines of putting themselves into admin as soon as they were relegated to try to get clear of their debt. Leeds really played the FL on that one. They also tried to implicate Barnsley and another club I believe, but Barnsley kicked back from what I can recall. I downloaded the findings which was online at the time. It just proved what sort of shithouses run football clubs. I think they should also have been demoted 2 divisions if the FL had punished them to the letter. Derby are just one of those clubs that are absolutely desperate to get back to the PL at whatever cost. Ironic that their stadium is called Pride Park when integrity long since left that club...
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Post by dm on May 10, 2021 13:01:43 GMT 1
Derby either won't really get punished or will get docked next season, appeal it and it will be removed. Obviously just IMO.
Derby and Wednesday overspending is something everybody has been aware of for years but the EFL don't really have the bottle nor desire to punish these supposed big clubs.
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Post by softboy on May 10, 2021 13:07:33 GMT 1
I suspect one of the issues the EFL have to contend with is that these clubs employ very good Solicitors and Accountants which apoears to make it very difficult for the EFL to establish who has done what and when and whether it contradicts rules or not. Wednesday did appear to be getting away with breaches of FFP rules but the eventual points dedution did for them in the end so one could say justice was actually done.
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Post by pilks123 on May 10, 2021 13:12:07 GMT 1
difficult position to be in for the EFL, you would expect given that the season is over any punishment (if true) would apply next season. Like what happened with Wednesday and their initial 12 point reduction.
But you could argue that the offence was carried out in the same season and the club charged at the same time as wednesday were, only because of independent tribunal and appeal has it taken longer to reach the same verdict. Should they be given the penalty for this season to stay consistent with weds and potentially relegate them immediately?
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Post by space hardware on May 10, 2021 13:14:45 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 10, 2021 13:16:18 GMT 1
Leeds got extra for the way they went about going into administration, I seem to remember. Along the lines of putting themselves into admin as soon as they were relegated to try to get clear of their debt. Leeds really played the FL on that one. They also tried to implicate Barnsley and another club I believe, but Barnsley kicked back from what I can recall. I downloaded the findings which was online at the time. It just proved what sort of shithouses run football clubs. I think they should also have been demoted 2 divisions if the FL had punished them to the letter. Derby are just one of those clubs that are absolutely desperate to get back to the PL at whatever cost. Ironic that their stadium is called Pride Park when integrity long since left that club... As I recall, Bates put Leeds into admin at half-time of their last game of the season, a game that they were losing to Ipswich Town. And who was doing the damage for Ipswich that day? Gary Roberts and Alan Lee!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 13:21:34 GMT 1
I suspect one of the issues the EFL have to contend with is that these clubs employ very good Solicitors and Accountants which apoears to make it very difficult for the EFL to establish who has done what and when and whether it contradicts rules or not. Wednesday did appear to be getting away with breaches of FFP rules but the eventual points dedution did for them in the end so one could say justice was actually done. But it's not justice as the punishment is not applied to the season the transgressions took place in. Imagine you're a Sheikh billionaire, but your team needs to win the last game of the season 3-0 (OK, I know about transfer windows, but hear me out...). So you absolutely throw FFP out of the window and sign Ronaldo, Messi, Pogba and Neymar for the final day. You win 4-0 and stay up. Then when the FL studies the books (months later) you get a 6 point deduction for the next season. That's why it's unjust.
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Post by dm on May 10, 2021 13:22:57 GMT 1
Wasn't the reason got technically got done twice because they were going down anyway, so Bates put them into administration to take the docked points straight away, meaning they finished with less points than they would have got (but relegated either way) and then tried to buy the club back from himself using a different, new company to do so?
So trying to choose when they'd get a points deduction whilst 'selling' the club to himself.
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Post by workshyfop on May 10, 2021 13:26:36 GMT 1
The game's seriously screwed, isn't it, at virtually all levels? You've got a team in the Champions League Final who had been banned for two years (overturned to a 10m euros fine). Probably half the clubs in the football league have broken or bent the rules at some stage.
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Post by schindlersmissed on May 10, 2021 13:32:00 GMT 1
how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? What’s wrong with that🥱
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 10, 2021 13:36:49 GMT 1
The game's seriously screwed, isn't it, at virtually all levels? You've got a team in the Champions League Final who had been banned for two years (overturned to a 10m euros fine). Probably half the clubs in the football league have broken or bent the rules at some stage. My current favourite is Chesterfield who still have players on furlough from months back yet recently brought in new centre forward.
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Post by workshyfop on May 10, 2021 13:38:43 GMT 1
The game's seriously screwed, isn't it, at virtually all levels? You've got a team in the Champions League Final who had been banned for two years (overturned to a 10m euros fine). Probably half the clubs in the football league have broken or bent the rules at some stage. My current favourite is Chesterfield who still have players on furlough from months back yet recently brought in new centre forward. Was it Arsenal who furloughed a load of staff too? Unbelievable greed.
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