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Post by impact on May 10, 2021 13:41:30 GMT 1
how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? They are very different offences and can't really be compared. If it will solely be for breaking FFP there is a set point deduction structure depending on how much you fail FFP by. Wednesday's was halved after appeal because of the "confusion" around the stadium sale date and supposedly having the OK from the EFL.
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Post by impact on May 10, 2021 13:43:30 GMT 1
Wasn't the reason got technically got done twice because they were going down anyway, so Bates put them into administration to take the docked points straight away, meaning they finished with less points than they would have got (but relegated either way) and then tried to buy the club back from himself using a different, new company to do so? So trying to choose when they'd get a points deduction whilst 'selling' the club to himself. They are the reason the rule about the deduction being put in the year after if you are relegated regardless was brought in. The 10 points was for going into admin in the same season. I believe the 15 point deduction was for leaving administration without a CVA.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 10, 2021 13:58:10 GMT 1
I suppose if you were a pragmatist, and with Town scratching about at the bottom of the Championship, you'd be quite happy with 12 points deducted next season.
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2021 14:18:24 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season? Never believe all you hear!
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Post by impact on May 10, 2021 14:18:52 GMT 1
I suppose if you were a pragmatist, and with Town scratching about at the bottom of the Championship, you'd be quite happy with 12 points deducted next season. Not sure actually. With a new owner Derby could have a decent year. I'd back us to finish above Wycombe though.
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Post by portugalterrier on May 10, 2021 14:22:28 GMT 1
I suppose if you were a pragmatist, and with Town scratching about at the bottom of the Championship, you'd be quite happy with 12 points deducted next season. Not sure actually. With a new owner Derby could have a decent year. I'd back us to finish above Wycombe though. Don’t know where the new owners coming from, latest takeover by Spanish fraudster looks like falling through , apparently was funding it by mortgaging the ground, ie doesn’t seem to have any money.
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Post by iangreaves on May 10, 2021 15:40:06 GMT 1
Not sure actually. With a new owner Derby could have a decent year. I'd back us to finish above Wycombe though. Don’t know where the new owners coming from, latest takeover by Spanish fraudster looks like falling through , apparently was funding it by mortgaging the ground, ie doesn’t seem to have any money. Thought they'd already sold the ground twice as part of the dodgy deals.
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 10, 2021 16:11:55 GMT 1
Not sure actually. With a new owner Derby could have a decent year. I'd back us to finish above Wycombe though. Don’t know where the new owners coming from, latest takeover by Spanish fraudster looks like falling through , apparently was funding it by mortgaging the ground, ie doesn’t seem to have any money. The Glazers at Man United are multi Billionaires, they may not have that in cash in the bank but nevertheless, they bought the club for approx. £750M but instead of using their own money they borrowed it, paying a hefty whack on top for interest payments and their own wages, they had plenty of institutions willing to fund them as the clubs ability to generate money is equal to the world’s best, but in effect any Man United fan with no money and on minimum wage with a zero hours contract could have done the same deal. The club was debt free when they arrived, they now owe around £450M and have so far paid back £1,000M, and the owners still have their billions in the bank and have been paid millions in wages, nice work if you can get it ! (Oh and as a recent thread worth noting just 15 years before the Glazers arrived, Micheal Knighton agreed a deal to buy the club which eventually fell through because he couldn’t find the £20M required, if anyone else knows where you can invest 20 and get back 750 just 15 years later will you let me know.)
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Post by SW6 on May 10, 2021 17:07:39 GMT 1
My current favourite is Chesterfield who still have players on furlough from months back yet recently brought in new centre forward. Was it Arsenal who furloughed a load of staff too? Unbelievable greed. Liverpool did then withdrew the claims
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Post by isitjustme on May 10, 2021 18:06:39 GMT 1
Didn't Swindon once win promotion via playoffs to the top league, but was found guilty of something or other. And instead of being promoted, they were relegated instead!......Or have I dreamed that!...... If that did happen, what the hell did they do?
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 10, 2021 18:20:02 GMT 1
Didn't Swindon once win promotion via playoffs to the top league, but was found guilty of something or other. And instead of being promoted, they were relegated instead!......Or have I dreamed that!...... If that did happen, what the hell did they do? Not dreamt, think Hoddle or Ardilles was in charge ? Won the play offs but for financial irregularities they were demoted two leagues instead and reduced to one on appeal, I think. As ever easy to do to Swindon but much harder to a “big” club. Edit just checked myself and it was Lou Macari that was in charge when the money problems arose and he was due to go to Chelsea but swerved to West Ham - I do know that there he begged the owners to sack him because he had some heavies from bookies threatening him for large sums of money owed, he needed compo to pay them off - up to his arrival West Ham managers used to last 20 years, since then they do about 2.
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Post by huddersfc on May 10, 2021 19:07:43 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season? No wonder PH doesnt say much anymore, cus he looks a fool everytime he opens his mouth.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 10, 2021 19:10:47 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season? No wonder PH doesnt say much anymore, cus he looks a fool everytime he opens his mouth. Old “five strikers” is brilliant at forecasting!
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Post by crux on May 10, 2021 19:53:07 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season? No wonder PH doesnt say much anymore, cus he looks a fool everytime he opens his mouth. The financial side hasn't run its course yet. Some money was made available to EFL clubs in terms of loans and prepayments of future money. Clubs have also delayed payments to the taxman as well. It will be interesting to see how many EFL clubs pay fees for players this summer - apart from those selling players for higher fees.
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Post by Wingman on May 10, 2021 20:17:03 GMT 1
Are Derby going to be the first of those 50 or 60 clubs that Hodgkinson said would go bust at the end of this season? No wonder PH doesnt say much anymore, cus he looks a fool everytime he opens his mouth. In fairness to PH, club owners benefitted from the loans from the gov’t and will have cut their cloth severely to survive. They wouldn’t have idly stood by and watched their club die.
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Post by huddersfc on May 10, 2021 20:48:37 GMT 1
No wonder PH doesnt say much anymore, cus he looks a fool everytime he opens his mouth. In fairness to PH, club owners benefitted from the loans from the gov’t and will have cut their cloth severely to survive. They wouldn’t have idly stood by and watched their club die. But thats the point isnt it. Clubs, especially in league 1 and 2, will cut their cloth, and will do what it takes, so of course many will reduce their outgoings to survive Covid. To make a comment about half of professional football clubs going under is just daft. It was just a precursor to another fire sale. Soften the blow when we sell Mounie and Grant for 20 million and replace them with Ward on a free transfer.
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Post by southowram on May 10, 2021 21:22:22 GMT 1
It seems like every club that follows the rules gets punished at the expense of the cheats.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 10, 2021 21:32:54 GMT 1
how harsh do you think the punishment might be? Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? I think Bournemouth and Luton both had even more than that a decade or so ago.
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Post by rugbyterrier on May 10, 2021 22:11:58 GMT 1
Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? I think Bournemouth and Luton both had even more than that a decade or so ago. Luton lost 30 points.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 10, 2021 22:14:30 GMT 1
Im not sure how their offence stacks up against other clubs who've been punished. Wednesday got 6 points but others in the past have had much more than that. Didn't Leeds get 15 once? I think Bournemouth and Luton both had even more than that a decade or so ago. I suspect that will have been in Bournemouth’s pre-Putin days?
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Post by Dan on May 10, 2021 23:23:54 GMT 1
EFL making their decision in next 24 hours and any points deduction will be next season according to Nixon
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Post by bluestripe on May 10, 2021 23:50:47 GMT 1
This has been rumbling on for ages. Yet as soon as they survive there's a breakthrough and they can now be punished? Suggests to me their punishment will be next season. Would agree any points deduction will be next season. If Derby had been relegated would have made the EFLs job easier could have deducted the points this season. Shows what a set of fairies they are. If Massive had had their 6 point penalty in any of the previous seasons since the offence took place, they wouldn't have been relegated. Karma.
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Post by tyldesleyterrier on May 11, 2021 10:24:05 GMT 1
Looks like The EFL are going to win their appeal against Derby.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 11, 2021 10:45:54 GMT 1
Looks like The EFL are going to win their appeal against Derby. Old news. They've WON IT mate!
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Post by nicovaesen on May 11, 2021 10:51:16 GMT 1
So 12 reduced to six? The sheep shaggers are even more massive than the massive so it will probably be 3
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Post by Mecha Corte on May 11, 2021 13:50:28 GMT 1
So 12 reduced to six? The sheep shaggers are even more massive than the massive so it will probably be 3 That’s a debate in itself, who is bigger, Derby or Sheff Weds ? I’m sure fans of both will say of course it’s us but I’m actually not sure myself, Derby two titles in the 70s and one FA Cup 75 years ago, Wednesday 4 titles and 3 FA Cups but all as long ago as Towns and a League Cup 25 years ago. Both with similar crowd sizes and sense of dilusion. Would Forest and Blades fans say their neighbours are bigger than the other or give them nothing ?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 11, 2021 14:18:21 GMT 1
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 11, 2021 14:20:07 GMT 1
Won’t happen, too much to consider now, be a points deduction next season I suspect
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 14:20:52 GMT 1
Well which fucking is it? Derby have won or the EFL have won. That tweet says both!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 11, 2021 14:24:57 GMT 1
Well which fucking is it? Derby have won or the EFL have won. That tweet says both!
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