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Post by ram on Jun 24, 2021 9:58:06 GMT 1
Giving Wycombe fresh hope,if it doesn,t happen,they should take legal action.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 24, 2021 10:33:03 GMT 1
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 24, 2021 10:43:28 GMT 1
So nothing we don’t already know then.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jun 24, 2021 10:48:21 GMT 1
Derby have until 18th Aug to submit accounts, by which time 3 games will have been played. Seems to me the EFL, as per, have tripped themselves up. No way will Derby be relegated before the season starts. The best we can hope far is a retrospective points penalty for Derby that could just possibly be applied this season.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 24, 2021 10:50:40 GMT 1
Hahahaha had to happen! Derby away first game lol. by the time we play them they could be on -30. -27 90 minutes later.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 24, 2021 10:53:02 GMT 1
Derby have until 18th Aug to submit accounts, by which time 3 games will have been played. Seems to me the EFL, as per, have tripped themselves up. No way will Derby be relegated before the season starts. The best we can hope far is a retrospective points penalty for Derby that could just possibly be applied this season. In fairness to the EFL it seems to me that they are powerless in this situation. All of the punishments are being meted out by an independent panel which seems hell-bent on protecting the status of guilty clubs. The EFL itself is pushing for a much harsher outcome, as they always seem to do. Blame the liberal leftie independent panel.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jun 24, 2021 11:15:31 GMT 1
Derby have until 18th Aug to submit accounts, by which time 3 games will have been played. Seems to me the EFL, as per, have tripped themselves up. No way will Derby be relegated before the season starts. The best we can hope far is a retrospective points penalty for Derby that could just possibly be applied this season. In fairness to the EFL it seems to me that they are powerless in this situation. All of the punishments are being meted out by an independent panel which seems hell-bent on protecting the status of guilty clubs. The EFL itself is pushing for a much harsher outcome, as they always seem to do. Blame the liberal leftie independent panel. Although they are powerless it is clear that they won’t have time for an appeal before the start of the season. The full judgement isn’t even out yet and it would take weeks/months for an appeal to be heard and a decision made. They look a bit foolish releasing two lists and should acknowledge that last season can’t be changed. It is damaging both Derby and Wycombe to be kept in limbo and doesn’t really seem fair. They need to regroup and then try and hand down a points deduction for this season.
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Post by tyketaffy on Jun 24, 2021 11:43:16 GMT 1
There should be a set range of punishments for such actions by any club automatically applied and only rescinded on a successful appeal before the end of each season, not applied retrospectively after the seasons end. Wycombe through no fault of their making are being made to suffer far more than Derby who appear to be the guilty club in this instance. How the hell can Wycombe plan for next season not knowing which league they will be in during the summer break.
But as usual its the poor bloody fans from both clubs who suffer most,the ones who really should have a say in how THEIR club is run
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Post by yoy on Jun 24, 2021 12:01:13 GMT 1
It seems fairly easy for Wycombe to plan. Plan as if you’re in League One and if there’s the bonus of additional revenues from being in the Championship then great.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 24, 2021 12:04:16 GMT 1
It seems fairly easy for Wycombe to plan. Plan as if you’re in League One and if there’s the bonus of additional revenues from being in the Championship then great. But competing with L1 quality players? 🤔
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 24, 2021 12:22:58 GMT 1
It seems fairly easy for Wycombe to plan. Plan as if you’re in League One and if there’s the bonus of additional revenues from being in the Championship then great. But competing with L1 quality players? 🤔 That's what we're doing isn't it?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 24, 2021 12:26:50 GMT 1
But competing with L1 quality players? 🤔 That's what we're doing isn't it? harsh but true
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 24, 2021 13:29:57 GMT 1
In fairness to the EFL it seems to me that they are powerless in this situation. All of the punishments are being meted out by an independent panel which seems hell-bent on protecting the status of guilty clubs. The EFL itself is pushing for a much harsher outcome, as they always seem to do. Blame the liberal leftie independent panel. Although they are powerless it is clear that they won’t have time for an appeal before the start of the season. The full judgement isn’t even out yet and it would take weeks/months for an appeal to be heard and a decision made. They look a bit foolish releasing two lists and should acknowledge that last season can’t be changed. It is damaging both Derby and Wycombe to be kept in limbo and doesn’t really seem fair. They need to regroup and then try and hand down a points deduction for this season. Agree it's unfair on Wycombe, but sod Derby. At best they sailed close to the wind and likely at least went against the spirit of the law/regs. There's virtually no doubt some senior people will have sat down and made a risked-based decision, based on advisor recommendations, knowing it had scope to be challenged/rejected.
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Post by yoy on Jun 24, 2021 14:08:49 GMT 1
It seems fairly easy for Wycombe to plan. Plan as if you’re in League One and if there’s the bonus of additional revenues from being in the Championship then great. But competing with L1 quality players? 🤔 So what? Surely it is more beneficial for the long term future of the club to have that season in the championship than not ? Especially given you wouldn’t expect them to push the boat out anyway.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 24, 2021 14:36:30 GMT 1
Plus Wycombe played with L1 quality players last season too
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 24, 2021 23:01:50 GMT 1
Plus Wycombe played with L1 quality players last season too I feel their pain.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 25, 2021 13:28:06 GMT 1
Crooked behaviour from the EFL. They have known about this for a while but only break the news once the season has ended. Points deduction is guaranteed to be for next season giving Derby plenty of time to prepare. To be fair, it's not the EFLs fault that it's taken the appeals panel this long to agree with them.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 25, 2021 13:34:56 GMT 1
In fairness to PH, club owners benefitted from the loans from the gov’t and will have cut their cloth severely to survive. They wouldn’t have idly stood by and watched their club die. But thats the point isnt it. Clubs, especially in league 1 and 2, will cut their cloth, and will do what it takes, so of course many will reduce their outgoings to survive Covid. To make a comment about half of professional football clubs going under is just daft. It was just a precursor to another fire sale. Soften the blow when we sell Mounie and Grant for 20 million and replace them with Ward on a free transfer. Errrr. So he was doing what you said sensible clubs in leagues 1 and 2 were doing cutting the cloth to suite, reducing costs by reducing wage bill and cashing in on assets before their value dropped like a stone.
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Post by sabailand on Jun 25, 2021 14:01:52 GMT 1
Plus Wycombe played with L1 quality players last season too You`re right, but you wouldnt have known during the latter part of the season, seems they grew into their surroundings a bit too late after initially having a 'glad to be here' complex.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 25, 2021 14:13:53 GMT 1
Yep Wycombe had a poor start and strong finish (three wins and a draw in their last five) whilst we went in pretty much the opposite pattern. Only 6 points apart by the end.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 25, 2021 15:31:59 GMT 1
Any Accountants out there? How do you resubmit Accounts. I assumed that once they had been Filed that was it. They can be rejected that puts the Director(s) who signed them in do do. The auditors then fall under scrutiny from the supervisory bodies, again do do.
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Post by delroy on Jun 25, 2021 18:27:32 GMT 1
That's what we're doing isn't it? harsh but true How can you agree with such a ridiculous comment ffs!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 25, 2021 19:50:16 GMT 1
Yep Wycombe had a poor start and strong finish (three wins and a draw in their last five) whilst we went in pretty much the opposite pattern. Only 6 points apart by the end. If the season had gone on another month they could well have stayed up.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 25, 2021 20:35:17 GMT 1
How can you agree with such a ridiculous comment ffs! is it really?
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 25, 2021 21:30:38 GMT 1
Yep Wycombe had a poor start and strong finish (three wins and a draw in their last five) whilst we went in pretty much the opposite pattern. Only 6 points apart by the end. If the season had gone on another month they could well have stayed up. Or if it had started a month earlier they could well have been adrift by March.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 30, 2021 20:33:16 GMT 1
Doesn't matter if it was 1p or £100m. Whatever he has paid is out of his own pocket and not the club's. The accusation is that PH used HTAFC money to buy HTAFC. He didn't. PH used PH's money to buy HTAFC Oh, c'mon. You're sat next to Dean at a game. He nudges you and says "you got a shiny penny in your pocket?" You confirm you do, and he says "Give me that, and this club is yours (minus Canalside). The one caveat is that you pay me back my loans over a very short time period using the club's cash flow (parachute payments)" Is that me using my money to buy Town - I'm talking spiritually, not literally? So how much do you think a club that owes over 50m, has contracted players we cant sell for what we paid and never made a profit except the 2 years it was in the premier league and doesnt own its ground actually worth then? How much would you be willing to pay in order to take on the situation the club was in at the time?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 30, 2021 20:37:10 GMT 1
Oh, c'mon. You're sat next to Dean at a game. He nudges you and says "you got a shiny penny in your pocket?" You confirm you do, and he says "Give me that, and this club is yours (minus Canalside). The one caveat is that you pay me back my loans over a very short time period using the club's cash flow (parachute payments)" Is that me using my money to buy Town - I'm talking spiritually, not literally? So how much do you think a club that owes over 50m, has contracted players we cant sell for what we paid and never made a profit except the 2 years it was in the premier league and doesnt own its ground actually worth then? How much would you be willing to pay in order to take on the situation the club was in at the time? As Paul Daniels would have said Not a lot
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 30, 2021 20:41:16 GMT 1
Any Accountants out there? How do you resubmit Accounts. I assumed that once they had been Filed that was it. They can be rejected that puts the Director(s) who signed them in do do. The auditors then fall under scrutiny from the supervisory bodies, again do do. And I believe the Auditor's bio 8includes being a life long Derby County Fan. Whoops
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 11:54:38 GMT 1
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 1, 2021 12:27:54 GMT 1
Nearly ready for Jacko to take over.
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