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Post by positive plus + pompous on Jun 18, 2021 7:49:55 GMT 1
I have no issue with players taking the knee but I do have an issue when some players do the gesture in support of 'black power'. Same as I don't agree with the Black oscars or the black music awards etc. I find these things divisive and in each situation we should consider what the reaction would be if it was changed to white power, white music awards etc.
We need to come together and be equal in all respects.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 9:56:18 GMT 1
Forgot to mention the club trying to get full ground ownership back. We've never had it so "back" is a little misleading. Well, we did until 1994. (I think 🤷♂️ Whether clubs owned their ground or not, or how much personal wealth the owners were pumping in or not didn't really seem to be a thing that fans cared about back then!!)
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Post by ram on Jun 18, 2021 10:19:11 GMT 1
Sad to read about Otium Always liked his posts .Good luck with the treatment lad!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 10:19:29 GMT 1
Poor analogy, Oti - it's about a relatively mild, symbolic, awareness campaign - not Nazi bullying! No i disagree....its virtue signalling of the worst kind. Why dont coppers do it before they go on shift? BLM are a horrible and divisive group with a political agenda. Why dont we kneel for the homeless, the starving, the greater-crested newt? Its the worst kind of bollocks, faux bollocks, foisted on you bollocks, peer pressure bollocks. I hate it and will BOO loudly and i have never once made a monkey chant or jusged a balck footballer for his colour...only his haircut. The whole 'ritual compliance' of gestures-and-actions-unrelated-to-what's-actually-going-on thing is a mildly worrying societal trend. It reminds me of the videos we used to see on That's Life of Chinese workers doing mandatory exercise routines before work that we all laughed at (for some reason🤷♂️). Obey obey obey. Comply. Behave. Be more average. Accept. Do not protest. Demonstrate your goodness. Stamp out dissent. Robotisation of humanity. These were all Orwellian themes. That can't be good surely? The beauty of humans is that we are all different. Football needs to get back to being about football. Recover some of the innocence. Its part of society, it is not society. Any problems there are, sit above football. I wonder what goes through the mind of a 7 year old at the start of a game. "Black Lives Matter? Yeah, I know...why are you telling me, this is a football match, not a school lesson".
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 18, 2021 11:31:17 GMT 1
No i disagree....its virtue signalling of the worst kind. Why dont coppers do it before they go on shift? BLM are a horrible and divisive group with a political agenda. Why dont we kneel for the homeless, the starving, the greater-crested newt? Its the worst kind of bollocks, faux bollocks, foisted on you bollocks, peer pressure bollocks. I hate it and will BOO loudly and i have never once made a monkey chant or jusged a balck footballer for his colour...only his haircut. The whole 'ritual compliance' of gestures-and-actions-unrelated-to-what's-actually-going-on thing is a mildly worrying societal trend. It reminds me of the videos we used to see on That's Life of Chinese workers doing mandatory exercise routines before work that we all laughed at (for some reason🤷♂️). Obey obey obey. Comply. Behave. Be more average. Accept. Do not protest. Demonstrate your goodness. Stamp out dissent. Robotisation of humanity. These were all Orwellian themes. That can't be good surely? The beauty of humans is that we are all different. Football needs to get back to being about football. Recover some of the innocence. Its part of society, it is not society. Any problems there are, sit above football. I wonder what goes through the mind of a 7 year old at the start of a game. "Black Lives Matter? Yeah, I know...why are you telling me, this is a football match, not a school lesson". Personally the first time I noticed a change was when Diana died - you “had to be seen” to be mourning and visibly upset and of course you simply must lay a bunch of flowers with a note where they can be seen by everyone else. Before I get shot down by whoever, let me qualify that of course if it is personal to you, a relative / friend etc or simply something that affects you then it’s a totally appropriate thing but it feels like nowadays you have to be seen to be moved by everything. Still better that then the trolls who go on social media to attack them instead.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 18, 2021 11:45:26 GMT 1
No i disagree....its virtue signalling of the worst kind. Why dont coppers do it before they go on shift? BLM are a horrible and divisive group with a political agenda. Why dont we kneel for the homeless, the starving, the greater-crested newt? Its the worst kind of bollocks, faux bollocks, foisted on you bollocks, peer pressure bollocks. I hate it and will BOO loudly and i have never once made a monkey chant or jusged a balck footballer for his colour...only his haircut. The whole 'ritual compliance' of gestures-and-actions-unrelated-to-what's-actually-going-on thing is a mildly worrying societal trend. It reminds me of the videos we used to see on That's Life of Chinese workers doing mandatory exercise routines before work that we all laughed at (for some reason🤷♂️). Obey obey obey. Comply. Behave. Be more average. Accept. Do not protest. Demonstrate your goodness. Stamp out dissent. Robotisation of humanity. These were all Orwellian themes. That can't be good surely? The beauty of humans is that we are all different. Football needs to get back to being about football. Recover some of the innocence. Its part of society, it is not society. Any problems there are, sit above football. I wonder what goes through the mind of a 7 year old at the start of a game. "Black Lives Matter? Yeah, I know...why are you telling me, this is a football match, not a school lesson". Completely agree....the simplest things now are hijacked for political, financial or even faux virtuous gain. Its just football. It started in the bloody 80's with dumb popstars thinking, for some unknown reason, they had the answer to the worlds problems.
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 18, 2021 12:03:04 GMT 1
I won't boo, most won't, yet most IMO reckon it's time to pack it in now Won't boo... neither will I judge those that do, I won't clap.... neither will I judge those that do. My protest will be silence, bringing attention to racism on social media is like laughing at the class clown, it just makes them do it more. Taking a knee fuels racism, just like positive discrimination has, the theory is great, but they are looking at it from the victims viewpoint rather than the offenders. Taking the knee is creating racists not educating them. But 99.9% of those booing are doing so because of the politicisation of football. Nothing to do with black or white. I think just ignoring it for the 5-10 seconds it takes is the way forward if you don't agree. Booing an anti-racism gesture makes you ... er, a racist?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 12:27:09 GMT 1
The whole 'ritual compliance' of gestures-and-actions-unrelated-to-what's-actually-going-on thing is a mildly worrying societal trend. It reminds me of the videos we used to see on That's Life of Chinese workers doing mandatory exercise routines before work that we all laughed at (for some reason🤷♂️). Obey obey obey. Comply. Behave. Be more average. Accept. Do not protest. Demonstrate your goodness. Stamp out dissent. Robotisation of humanity. These were all Orwellian themes. That can't be good surely? The beauty of humans is that we are all different. Football needs to get back to being about football. Recover some of the innocence. Its part of society, it is not society. Any problems there are, sit above football. I wonder what goes through the mind of a 7 year old at the start of a game. "Black Lives Matter? Yeah, I know...why are you telling me, this is a football match, not a school lesson". Completely agree....the simplest things now are hijacked for political, financial or even faux virtuous gain. Its just football. It started in the bloody 80's with dumb popstars thinking, for some unknown reason, they had the answer to the worlds problems. The problem is if you dissent or even simply don't actively & visibly comply, you're immediately labelled racist / homophobic / stupid / unsympathetic etc. It makes things impossible to discuss sensibly and just creates division. I remember in the late 90's someone knocked on my door raising money to support saving Malaysian Orangutan's and their habitat. Definitely a worthwhile cause, and one whose goals and aims I'd back. BUT - I choose which charity's I support, I can't monetarily support every worthy case, otherwise I'd end up needing the support of a charity myself. My response mid-way through their spiel once I'd gathered what they were talking about and what they were asking for, was to cut them short ( I've mainly worked from home since about 1999 - whilst I answer the door, I do have meetings to attend and deadlines etc! Nobody would ever think its right to go round a shopping centre asking the shop-workers to stop working and donate some money!!), - explained I wouldn't be donating, and didn't want to waste their time when they could be knocking on the next door... Their immediate response, "don't you care about Orangatun's?" Of course I fricking CARE about Orangatuns 🤣 - but where does the discussion go from there?! The narrative now is very similar...blah blah blah, just before this tennis match you've come to watch starts, please rise and show your support for grey aliens..."I've nothing against grey aliens and I'm all for them having equal opportunities and even being given a leg up to help with their representation where its lacking, but I don't want to or feel a need to clap / kneel / give £10 monthly / stand in silence / or raise a placard to say so, especially at a tennis match, where grey aliens are actually over-represented compared to their numbers in wider society (where there is some undoubted hatred of grey aliens), and are fully and roundly supported for their efforts during a match just as equally and fairly as any other inhabitants of earth"....you HATE grey aliens, you're a nasty vile idiot, this is why we need to get the message rammed home that grey aliens matter.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 18, 2021 13:50:05 GMT 1
Completely agree....the simplest things now are hijacked for political, financial or even faux virtuous gain. Its just football. It started in the bloody 80's with dumb popstars thinking, for some unknown reason, they had the answer to the worlds problems. The problem is if you dissent or even simply don't actively & visibly comply, you're immediately labelled racist / homophobic / stupid / unsympathetic etc. It makes things impossible to discuss sensibly and just creates division. I remember in the late 90's someone knocked on my door raising money to support saving Malaysian Orangutan's and their habitat. Definitely a worthwhile cause, and one whose goals and aims I'd back. BUT - I choose which charity's I support, I can't monetarily support every worthy case, otherwise I'd end up needing the support of a charity myself. My response mid-way through their spiel once I'd gathered what they were talking about and what they were asking for, was to cut them short ( I've mainly worked from home since about 1999 - whilst I answer the door, I do have meetings to attend and deadlines etc! Nobody would ever think its right to go round a shopping centre asking the shop-workers to stop working and donate some money!!), - explained I wouldn't be donating, and didn't want to waste their time when they could be knocking on the next door... Their immediate response, "don't you care about Orangatun's?" Of course I fricking CARE about Orangatuns 🤣 - but where does the discussion go from there?! The narrative now is very similar...blah blah blah, just before this tennis match you've come to watch starts, please rise and show your support for grey aliens..."I've nothing against grey aliens and I'm all for them having equal opportunities and even being given a leg up to help with their representation where its lacking, but I don't want to or feel a need to clap / kneel / give £10 monthly / stand in silence / or raise a placard to say so, especially at a tennis match, where grey aliens are actually over-represented compared to their numbers in wider society (where there is some undoubted hatred of grey aliens), and are fully and roundly supported for their efforts during a match just as equally and fairly as any other inhabitants of earth"....you HATE grey aliens, you're a nasty vile idiot, this is why we need to get the message rammed home that grey aliens matter. I saw a poster on a bus shelter yesterday in Leeds....a woman was crying worms from her eyes. A disturbing image. The poster was asking for donations as 82 cases of lungworm had been found in dogs in Yorkshire!! You could not make it up. The UK until recently had a registered charity for every 80 people....more than the entire world added together!! Governments now do council work and charity does government work. I have a couple of local things i support and above that i give to people i know personally.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 18, 2021 15:31:11 GMT 1
The National lottery gives a substantial amount to Charity. I always considered that by buying some tickets each week it constituted my donation to those charities, with the added incentive of I might win myself one day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 16:00:42 GMT 1
The problem is if you dissent or even simply don't actively & visibly comply, you're immediately labelled racist / homophobic / stupid / unsympathetic etc. It makes things impossible to discuss sensibly and just creates division. I remember in the late 90's someone knocked on my door raising money to support saving Malaysian Orangutan's and their habitat. Definitely a worthwhile cause, and one whose goals and aims I'd back. BUT - I choose which charity's I support, I can't monetarily support every worthy case, otherwise I'd end up needing the support of a charity myself. My response mid-way through their spiel once I'd gathered what they were talking about and what they were asking for, was to cut them short ( I've mainly worked from home since about 1999 - whilst I answer the door, I do have meetings to attend and deadlines etc! Nobody would ever think its right to go round a shopping centre asking the shop-workers to stop working and donate some money!!), - explained I wouldn't be donating, and didn't want to waste their time when they could be knocking on the next door... Their immediate response, "don't you care about Orangatun's?" Of course I fricking CARE about Orangatuns 🤣 - but where does the discussion go from there?! The narrative now is very similar...blah blah blah, just before this tennis match you've come to watch starts, please rise and show your support for grey aliens..."I've nothing against grey aliens and I'm all for them having equal opportunities and even being given a leg up to help with their representation where its lacking, but I don't want to or feel a need to clap / kneel / give £10 monthly / stand in silence / or raise a placard to say so, especially at a tennis match, where grey aliens are actually over-represented compared to their numbers in wider society (where there is some undoubted hatred of grey aliens), and are fully and roundly supported for their efforts during a match just as equally and fairly as any other inhabitants of earth"....you HATE grey aliens, you're a nasty vile idiot, this is why we need to get the message rammed home that grey aliens matter. I saw a poster on a bus shelter yesterday in Leeds....a woman was crying worms from her eyes. A disturbing image. The poster was asking for donations as 82 cases of lungworm had been found in dogs in Yorkshire!! You could not make it up. The UK until recently had a registered charity for every 80 people....more than the entire world added together!! Governments now do council work and charity does government work. I have a couple of local things i support and above that i give to people i know personally. Sounds like a remastered Scorpions Blackout album cover!! (the one with the bandaged head and forks in eyes).
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 18, 2021 19:38:16 GMT 1
The problem is if you dissent or even simply don't actively & visibly comply, you're immediately labelled racist / homophobic / stupid / unsympathetic etc. It makes things impossible to discuss sensibly and just creates division. I remember in the late 90's someone knocked on my door raising money to support saving Malaysian Orangutan's and their habitat. Definitely a worthwhile cause, and one whose goals and aims I'd back. BUT - I choose which charity's I support, I can't monetarily support every worthy case, otherwise I'd end up needing the support of a charity myself. My response mid-way through their spiel once I'd gathered what they were talking about and what they were asking for, was to cut them short ( I've mainly worked from home since about 1999 - whilst I answer the door, I do have meetings to attend and deadlines etc! Nobody would ever think its right to go round a shopping centre asking the shop-workers to stop working and donate some money!!), - explained I wouldn't be donating, and didn't want to waste their time when they could be knocking on the next door... Their immediate response, "don't you care about Orangatun's?" Of course I fricking CARE about Orangatuns 🤣 - but where does the discussion go from there?! The narrative now is very similar...blah blah blah, just before this tennis match you've come to watch starts, please rise and show your support for grey aliens..."I've nothing against grey aliens and I'm all for them having equal opportunities and even being given a leg up to help with their representation where its lacking, but I don't want to or feel a need to clap / kneel / give £10 monthly / stand in silence / or raise a placard to say so, especially at a tennis match, where grey aliens are actually over-represented compared to their numbers in wider society (where there is some undoubted hatred of grey aliens), and are fully and roundly supported for their efforts during a match just as equally and fairly as any other inhabitants of earth"....you HATE grey aliens, you're a nasty vile idiot, this is why we need to get the message rammed home that grey aliens matter. I saw a poster on a bus shelter yesterday in Leeds....a woman was crying worms from her eyes. A disturbing image. The poster was asking for donations as 82 cases of lungworm had been found in dogs in Yorkshire!! You could not make it up. The UK until recently had a registered charity for every 80 people....more than the entire world added together!! Governments now do council work and charity does government work. I have a couple of local things i support and above that i give to people i know personally. I thought that was a poster advertising Leeds Season Tickets!
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 1, 2021 19:28:43 GMT 1
Just to report that the Amstel isn't too bad, a definite improvement on the previous.
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