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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 11:49:04 GMT 1
Worth a poll, everybody has mixed opinions as to how this off season has gone so far, personally can't see anything higher than around the 16th/17th mark but il be happily surprised.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2021 11:51:41 GMT 1
23rd ahead of Derby, based on current squad. I can't see how the squad makes for a cohesive unit.
I may change my mind if/when more business is done this window.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2021 12:01:13 GMT 1
Top half.
Might challenge for top 6 but more likely to be 7-12.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 6, 2021 12:26:02 GMT 1
The squad as it stands is not good enough for a top half finish. Likely to become weaker when Obrien and Pipa leave so our incoming transfers will be crucial. Get those wrong and we could be in for a struggle
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 6, 2021 12:36:13 GMT 1
Top half. Might challenge for top 6 but more likely to be 7-12. Get me a pint of what this guys been drinking. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 6, 2021 12:38:40 GMT 1
Currently with that squad it's going to be a long season but if we can shift the Chuckle Brothers on convince some good players to sign we could finish upper mid table with a prevailing wind and a bit of luck.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 6, 2021 13:48:33 GMT 1
Top half. Might challenge for top 6 but more likely to be 7-12. Get me a pint of what this guys been drinking. You'll need more than one pint. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jul 6, 2021 14:29:50 GMT 1
Rhodes/Koroma gonna fire us back to the greedy league...perhaps....hopefully.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 6, 2021 14:39:16 GMT 1
With what we currently have. Fourth bottom would be a successful season.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 6, 2021 14:42:57 GMT 1
Just outside bottom 4, another close one.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 6, 2021 15:06:28 GMT 1
Who knows. At the beginning of last season before Koroma and Schindler injuries we were doing quite well. Pippa leaving wont be so bad, but if LOB goes we are going to lose a massive influence in midfield. Lower half.
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Post by stevvy on Jul 6, 2021 15:24:01 GMT 1
Unless we bring in some more quality Championship players, we'll struggle. Can't see past a season of struggling as things stand
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 6, 2021 15:36:58 GMT 1
in it to win it (heart)
oh dear god no!! (head)
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 6, 2021 16:00:27 GMT 1
At the moment our season rests on getting shut of, then replacing, Mbenza and Bacuna. Recruitment team aren't daft and will have a list of names to replace any players we might sell because they're good enough for other teams to want them. But to be stuck with those 2 while their contracts are running down would mess with getting the recruitments we need in for their positions and I'd be worried about relegation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 16:10:24 GMT 1
At the moment our season rests on getting shut of, then replacing, Mbenza and Bacuna. Recruitment team aren't daft and will have a list of names to replace any players we might sell because they're good enough for other teams to want them. But to be stuck with those 2 while their contracts are running down would mess with getting the recruitments we need in for their positions and I'd be worried about relegation The rather bizarre thing is we CHOSE to be stuck with Mbenza and Bacuna. I don’t see how their saleable value can possibly outstrip what we’ve tied the club into in terms of having to buy out their contracts to release them. They were players that other clubs would have been looking at 3 months ago thinking, “well we’ll need to fork out hefty wages, but there’s no fee, there’s value in the overall package, and we won’t be hamstrung in future with a sell on clause”…now they’re players that are going to cost to buy out, with future clauses, and still with the wages. The kind of club that was interested in them will surely just move on to the growing list of “free” alternatives…it’s not as though they have any particularity unique talents is it ?? I’m sure there’s some sense somewhere, I just can’t see it! |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2021 16:12:14 GMT 1
At the moment our season rests on getting shut of, then replacing, Mbenza and Bacuna. Recruitment team aren't daft and will have a list of names to replace any players we might sell because they're good enough for other teams to want them. But to be stuck with those 2 while their contracts are running down would mess with getting the recruitments we need in for their positions and I'd be worried about relegation  |
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Post by atowninessex on Jul 6, 2021 16:12:20 GMT 1
i would take our current position on the bbc web site as of 11th  |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 6, 2021 16:29:57 GMT 1
I was asked the same question on the Ethan Horvath - any truth? Thread and here is my reply 7hrs ago:-
To date we have not improved the first 11, this is just a personal assessment based on the actual transfers and the comments from the club on no more transfers in until someone leaves.
We have brought in a keeper and two full backs a centre back and a forward.
At best the new keeper has been brought in to compete, but he does give us strength in depth that we lacked. It is generally acknowledged that the full backs give us strength in depth in an area that we had no cover for and that our coach would use. At centre back we have lost more than we have signed and although we seem to have found a cost effective player I don't think that anyone sees him an improvement on Schindler.
We may have strengthened our forward selection but it is very difficult to know. I think too many remember Rhodes from the player we had back then and have ignored his form over the last few years.
We will find out as the season progresses but based our transfers to date I see another year of struggle ahead.
durhamterrier said:
Would say we have improved the first 11 (or the ones we had available after Xmas) Pearson is a step up from Keogh and Rhodes is from Campbell. I couldn’t possibly comment on Colwill.
Then in terms of squad depth the two full backs sound stronger than brown and duhaney . Throw into that a proper pre-season for Koroma, Aarons, Vallejo, Ward and Holmes and I feel a lot more confident.
Don’t get me wrong , I don’t think that squad will be challenging for top 6 but I feel as though a couple of promising loans and the hopeful replacements of Mbenza and Bacuna will add some real value .
My response :
You chose a good point to compare the team from because we were awful from Xmas onwards.
We need to be much better than the team post Xmas or we will be relegated. We need to be a better team than the one that started last season, we need to raise our standards.
Tinpot the Open Minded Ted Fan added: After highlighting:- You chose a good point to compare the team from because we were awful from Xmas onwards.
I think this bit is key. If we're comparing with the side post Xmas, just improving from that isn't enough - we have to improve A LOT. Simply because our form from NYD onwards is not just relegation form, it's not even just bottom of the table form - it's form that if continued over the course of a whole season would result in the 5th worst points tally in Championship history.... and the division looks stronger next year.
It's looking like a season of praying for 4th bottom, and our season opener looks like a 6 pointer already.
In summation:-
Without improving our first 11 we are not going to have a good season!
If Rhodes somehow manages to turn the clock back 5 years and we find the ability to carve out the chances for him to discover his old scoring form, we may get to mid table, otherwise we are looking at a long hard season.
I hope that Captainslapper is right and we are 7-12 but with the team as it is we don't have a prayer of getting that high. If we manage to move some players on we will have to see what we can afford to replace them with.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 6, 2021 17:24:51 GMT 1
At the moment our season rests on getting shut of, then replacing, Mbenza and Bacuna. Recruitment team aren't daft and will have a list of names to replace any players we might sell because they're good enough for other teams to want them. But to be stuck with those 2 while their contracts are running down would mess with getting the recruitments we need in for their positions and I'd be worried about relegation The rather bizarre thing is we CHOSE to be stuck with Mbenza and Bacuna. I don’t see how their saleable value can possibly outstrip what we’ve tied the club into in terms of having to buy out their contracts to release them. They were players that other clubs would have been looking at 3 months ago thinking, “well we’ll need to fork out hefty wages, but there’s no fee, there’s value in the overall package, and we won’t be hamstrung in future with a sell on clause”…now they’re players that are going to cost to buy out, with future clauses, and still with the wages. The kind of club that was interested in them will surely just move on to the growing list of “free” alternatives…it’s not as though they have any particularity unique talents is it ?? I’m sure there’s some sense somewhere, I just can’t see it! There is no way those 2 should have been given new contracts in a vain attempt to generate decent transfer fees for them, to be honest its beyond laughable. No one in their right minds would pay more than 500k for those 2. If we can, then fair enough but it smacks of downright incompetence where these 2 are concerned. |
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Jul 6, 2021 17:30:45 GMT 1
Dont we have to pay Dean another 4 million this season? How are we going to do that without selling players. I suspect very little of any transfer fees received will be available to reinvest in squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 18:13:08 GMT 1
Dont we have to pay Dean another 4 million this season? How are we going to do that without selling players. I suspect very little of any transfer fees received will be available to reinvest in squad. It says in the accounts it'll be paid through player trading, operational cashflow AND FUNDING FROM THE NEW CONTROLLING SHAREHOLDER. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 18:44:21 GMT 1
Right now, with the squad as it is, I just can’t see how we finish above 17th/18th.
But, ask again once the window has closed and we’ve made a few more signings.
Assuming there will be more…
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Post by alexdire on Jul 6, 2021 18:44:34 GMT 1
Dont we have to pay Dean another 4 million this season? How are we going to do that without selling players. I suspect very little of any transfer fees received will be available to reinvest in squad. £2m from Karlan Grant. Plus some money from Billing. Although we will have to sell somebody every year to make all the payments. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 6, 2021 18:59:46 GMT 1
How can the poll mean anything at this stage.
No way can you assess the situation until you know which players we will have in the squad.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 6, 2021 19:45:44 GMT 1
I push 1-6 Jesus this strongbow is strong! Guess the clue is in the name
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2021 19:48:20 GMT 1
Given that we no longer have Carel Eiting (nor a replacement), I think it's fair to say that our first XI is worse than last season's.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 6, 2021 20:08:27 GMT 1
Given that we no longer have Carel Eiting (nor a replacement), I think it's fair to say that our first XI is worse than last season's. Agree. This is a key position still to fill and it will be disastrous if they don’t achieve it. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 6, 2021 20:43:22 GMT 1
At the moment our season rests on getting shut of, then replacing, Mbenza and Bacuna. Recruitment team aren't daft and will have a list of names to replace any players we might sell because they're good enough for other teams to want them. But to be stuck with those 2 while their contracts are running down would mess with getting the recruitments we need in for their positions and I'd be worried about relegation it's a hard job to earn praise for, most fans from most teams moan about recruitment and have a level of distrust in the people doing it. Mistakes have been made of course but alongside that some really good players picked out from nowhere. |
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 6, 2021 20:48:46 GMT 1
Right now with signings so far it's looking as though another massive struggle with 21st a success again.
The poll would be better asked at the start of August when we have a better idea of what the team looks like.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 6, 2021 20:59:19 GMT 1
Right now with signings so far it's looking as though another massive struggle with 21st a success again. The poll would be better asked at the start of August when we have a better idea of what the team looks like. One has to wonder if it'll be any different come 3pm at Derby? |
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