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Post by Champers on Jul 22, 2021 11:40:48 GMT 1
You're aware what the P in PM stands for, right? Totally, but I’m being accused of doing something in them, having being asked to send one that I didn’t do so feel totally justified in quoting from them, having asked him to back up his false accusations. I aren't saying you're wrong about your point, but it's still a private message and shouldn't be shared without the permission of the other party. The only time I'd advocate sharing a PM would be to an admin/moderator if it's is threatening, abusive, offensive, etc. Not trying to have a go at you, just a bit of advice. If someone shared a PM of mine without my permission I'd be pretty annoyed (not that I ever get them anyway!) |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 11:42:19 GMT 1
What a pitiful poll this is, assuming it was created with any serious intent. Ever since the "controversial" banning of Otium (why isn't that debate moved to off topic? Nothing to do with Town, and this page is "Talk of the Town") there has been factional, small factions at that, squabbling about the role of admins and their application of the rules of the site. This, rather tediously, has now resulted in an attempted philosophical debate about "who owns the board"? Which is either: A thinly disguised dig at the current admins or A pointless wind up to continue a, quite frankly, tiresome debate. If there is a change in administration what will change? A more liberal view? A wider debate? Or just a few folk with nowt better to do getting their own way. The issue these rebels, and would be architects of a coup, overlook is that if they become the new administration they will be open to the same criticism and challenges as the current admins. What is their response to this likely to be? Banning people who don't agree with them? Who owns the board then eh? As someone once said "meet the old boss, same as the new boss". The whole Otium debate has exhausted all reasonable exchanges of view and needs putting to bed. Perhaps then we can get back to debating what is happening at our football club. Let's face it, that causes enough strife week in week out without the time expended on Otium's status. Sorry for the Leeds slant on this..... but. "A man with new ideas, is a mad man, until his ideas triumph" I want to be part of the current Admin to offer an alternative voice, Id rather join than replace to be fair, but if a coup is the outcome then thats the way it would need to be. You cant have a closed shop representing half of a forum, if it does turn into a coup, it would be an open house with a diverse range of views, political persuasions and ideally diverse ethnicity, sexuality and Age. I dont see the problem with a representative Admin, Its surely a positive thing, the fact they obviously dont like me or dont wish me to join proves the point that the current set up isnt diverse enough. It should be two more Admin, i agree with that and they should be more liberal, Its upto the Admin now what they want to do, They can keep ignoring and hope it goes away, Ban me like so many others with an opinion they dont like, or face a leadership battle, the outcome of which is inconsequential to me provided the outcome provides balanced representation, Maybe a more popular liberal will put their name forward and be voted in. Maybe im the chosen one or maybe status quo remains. |
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Post by dugnet on Jul 22, 2021 11:53:48 GMT 1
What a pitiful poll this is, assuming it was created with any serious intent. Ever since the "controversial" banning of Otium (why isn't that debate moved to off topic? Nothing to do with Town, and this page is "Talk of the Town") there has been factional, small factions at that, squabbling about the role of admins and their application of the rules of the site. This, rather tediously, has now resulted in an attempted philosophical debate about "who owns the board"? Which is either: A thinly disguised dig at the current admins or A pointless wind up to continue a, quite frankly, tiresome debate. If there is a change in administration what will change? A more liberal view? A wider debate? Or just a few folk with nowt better to do getting their own way. The issue these rebels, and would be architects of a coup, overlook is that if they become the new administration they will be open to the same criticism and challenges as the current admins. What is their response to this likely to be? Banning people who don't agree with them? Who owns the board then eh? As someone once said "meet the old boss, same as the new boss". The whole Otium debate has exhausted all reasonable exchanges of view and needs putting to bed. Perhaps then we can get back to debating what is happening at our football club. Let's face it, that causes enough strife week in week out without the time expended on Otium's status. Sorry for the Leeds slant on this..... but. "A man with new ideas, is a mad man, until his ideas triumph" I want to be part of the current Admin to offer an alternative voice, Id rather join than replace to be fair, but if a coup is the outcome then thats the way it would need to be. You cant have a closed shop representing half of a forum, if it does turn into a coup, it would be an open house with a diverse range of views, political persuasions and ideally diverse ethnicity, sexuality and Age. I dont see the problem with a representative Admin, Its surely a positive thing, the fact they obviously dont like me or dont wish me to join proves the point that the current set up isnt diverse enough. It should be two more Admin, i agree with that and they should be more liberal, Its upto the Admin now what they want to do, They can keep ignoring and hope it goes away, Ban me like so many others with an opinion they dont like, or face a leadership battle, the outcome of which is inconsequential to me provided the outcome provides balanced representation, Maybe a more popular liberal will put their name forward and be voted in. Maybe im the chosen one or maybe status quo remains. Fair enough, if you want to be elected specifically outline the changes you would to see to the rules of this board and how they are applied. Then people are able to consider the outcome rather than, which if you'll forgive me saying, is nothing more than "I am better than the current Admins". Create a detailed manifesto and then you will have a credible platform against which to stand. I would note a diverse range of views is a wide term. Inclusion of every group is essential but, for me, categorising any group in a negative or bigoted way is not (which is what our rules essentially say and is at the nub of the problem here). It isn't about political correctness it is about respect for all and not characterising any group negatively. |
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Post by muffinman on Jul 22, 2021 11:58:06 GMT 1
How is all this still clogging up the front page.
Give it a rest.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 12:09:39 GMT 1
Ok folks. Im going to lock this poll now, Its pretty obvious that the outcome will be that forum is owned by the members and fans of Huddersfield town football club, but this needed establishing as fact. I agree that its clogging the page. So the next step will be to seek candidates who wish to put themselves forward as Admin, prior to a democratic private poll/ballot for election, of course that requires the current Admin to accept the outcome of the unofficial election the outcome of which will be binding from my point of view, but it puts to bed the questions over Admin status for 12 months when those elected should seek re-election.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 22, 2021 12:30:25 GMT 1
Fuck me, this thread is even more embarrassing than the ITK "news networks" fantasy.
Walter Mitty needs a new hobby.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 22, 2021 12:31:45 GMT 1
Hoho Where's that emoji of a bell ? Pretty right though. You go at people and go off on certain ones, then as quoted further up, you don't like bullies or being bullied? Im pretty sure other people feel that way, when you take off on them. It's just an observation, do as you want done to you. Quite interesting that all these snowflakes blubbing that they are getting bullied are the same folk who stand up for people who make this an extremely unwelcoming forum for anyone who was unlucky enough to be born of a different ethnic descent , sexuality or sexuql orientation to white male and straight. Calling people out for bullying oppressed people isn't bullying . It's confronting bullying . I don't expect you to understand but I'm sure you'll respond . But honestly there's no need to bother |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 22, 2021 12:33:38 GMT 1
I like your positivity Townre , however I have the feeling that your attempt's of joining the admin team are going to be cruelly dashed ! That's why we need to keep pushing back and promoting change! We need to support this fight and eventually we might get a better experience on here where Town fans aren't banned for spelling mistakes and moaning now and then! We need to adopt the spirit of the suffragettes but without the nice frocks and hats! Has anyone ever been banned for spelling mistakes or moaning now and then ? 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 22, 2021 12:37:55 GMT 1
No thanks. Just pointing out factual imperfections. All it takes for grammatical evil to triumph is for people who care about grammatical integrity to do nothing. And a yellow card offence to boot! Genuine mistakes aren't, it was the deliberate stuff that was |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jul 22, 2021 12:38:48 GMT 1
That’s bang out of order and well you know it - do you want to publish all the PMs that you requested or should I ? No response, as yet, so some quotes from me “I’ve never said anything on here I wasn’t prepared to say face to face to the person concerned, I doubt you can make the same claim.” “You’ve pulled the same stunt with me…..let me assure you wouldn’t have said that to my face.” “I don’t like bullying, snidey tactics being used on me, especially when you hide behind an anti bullying shield. Ok ?” And from you “ Then read your passive aggressive macho bollocks and decided I can’t be arsed” “You add a lot to this board but I’m not a violent person and don’t really respond well to aggression. Hope your court case went well. I’ll be blocking you” “It’s the internet. It’s words on a screen. We aren’t sat face to face. You’ve been aggressive not me. You come across as having a chip on your shoulder. Was your court case for anything aggression related by any chance” You're aware what the P in PM stands for, right? He should be banned for posting private messages. Why are the mods allowing this nonsense to ensue? Just deal with it please mods, it’s descending into a right ding dong here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 12:43:37 GMT 1
Pretty right though. You go at people and go off on certain ones, then as quoted further up, you don't like bullies or being bullied? Im pretty sure other people feel that way, when you take off on them. It's just an observation, do as you want done to you. Quite interesting that all these snowflakes blubbing that they are getting bullied are the same folk who stand up for people who make this an extremely unwelcoming forum for anyone who was unlucky enough to be born of a different ethnic descent , sexuality or sexuql orientation to white male and straight. Calling people out for bullying oppressed people isn't bullying . It's confronting bullying . I don't expect you to understand but I'm sure you'll respond . But honestly there's no need to bother Regardless, you're still bullying or trying to be snide to folk like above comments. We get you might not like certain people on here, does it make you hard having a go on a forum to alot of people you don't know. So obviously o don't understand your response cos I'm dead thick, what I do understand is that this is your life, this site you think you're Barry big bollocks. Can assure you, you're just another tit |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 22, 2021 12:44:29 GMT 1
You're aware what the P in PM stands for, right? He should be banned for posting private messages. Why are the mods allowing this nonsense to ensue? Just deal with it please mods, it’s descending into a right ding dong here. Trouble is if they do SuperKnowNowt will make himself a martyr. Hopefully this tedious shite will drop down the pages very quickly |
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jul 22, 2021 12:46:31 GMT 1
And a yellow card offence to boot! Genuine mistakes aren't, it was the deliberate stuff that was A spelling mistake warrants a yellow card? Multiple spelling mistakes will get you banned then? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 22, 2021 12:50:15 GMT 1
Genuine mistakes aren't, it was the deliberate stuff that was A spelling mistake warrants a yellow card? Multiple spelling mistakes will get you banned then? If you do them deliberately, all the time, cos you find it amusing or know it winds folk up. You know, exactly what Nick did despite warning after warning. Nobody has got a yellow card for genuinely making a spelling or grammatical error. Ever 🙄 |
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Post by alexdire on Jul 22, 2021 12:52:58 GMT 1
I'm sure if you read the Terms and Conditions. It'll be Proboards that own it.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 22, 2021 12:58:51 GMT 1
Pretty right though. You go at people and go off on certain ones, then as quoted further up, you don't like bullies or being bullied? Im pretty sure other people feel that way, when you take off on them. It's just an observation, do as you want done to you. Quite interesting that all these snowflakes blubbing that they are getting bullied are the same folk who stand up for people who make this an extremely unwelcoming forum for anyone who was unlucky enough to be born of a different ethnic descent , sexuality or sexuql orientation to white male and straight. Calling people out for bullying oppressed people isn't bullying . It's confronting bullying . I don't expect you to understand but I'm sure you'll respond . But honestly there's no need to bother He doesn’t need to bother but I’d quite like to, I’m assuming you are throwing your allegations at myself, amongst others ? Would you like to point to any examples from me to back up your point ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:39:42 GMT 1
What a pitiful poll this is, assuming it was created with any serious intent. Ever since the "controversial" banning of Otium (why isn't that debate moved to off topic? Nothing to do with Town, and this page is "Talk of the Town") there has been factional, small factions at that, squabbling about the role of admins and their application of the rules of the site. This, rather tediously, has now resulted in an attempted philosophical debate about "who owns the board"? Which is either: A thinly disguised dig at the current admins or A pointless wind up to continue a, quite frankly, tiresome debate. If there is a change in administration what will change? A more liberal view? A wider debate? Or just a few folk with nowt better to do getting their own way. The issue these rebels, and would be architects of a coup, overlook is that if they become the new administration they will be open to the same criticism and challenges as the current admins. What is their response to this likely to be? Banning people who don't agree with them? Who owns the board then eh? As someone once said "meet the old boss, same as the new boss". The whole Otium debate has exhausted all reasonable exchanges of view and needs putting to bed. Perhaps then we can get back to debating what is happening at our football club. Let's face it, that causes enough strife week in week out without the time expended on Otium's status. Sorry for the Leeds slant on this..... but. "A man with new ideas, is a mad man, until his ideas triumph" I want to be part of the current Admin to offer an alternative voice, Id rather join than replace to be fair, but if a coup is the outcome then thats the way it would need to be. You cant have a closed shop representing half of a forum, if it does turn into a coup, it would be an open house with a diverse range of views, political persuasions and ideally diverse ethnicity, sexuality and Age. I dont see the problem with a representative Admin, Its surely a positive thing, the fact they obviously dont like me or dont wish me to join proves the point that the current set up isnt diverse enough. It should be two more Admin, i agree with that and they should be more liberal, Its upto the Admin now what they want to do, They can keep ignoring and hope it goes away, Ban me like so many others with an opinion they dont like, or face a leadership battle, the outcome of which is inconsequential to me provided the outcome provides balanced representation, Maybe a more popular liberal will put their name forward and be voted in. Maybe im the chosen one or maybe status quo remains. You can't spend the time bullshitting and defending it that you have & expect to have any credibility on here when it comes to questioning the admin structure on here, and you should know that! Include anti bullshit clauses in your manifesto, as I proposed, & even I will vote for you, because it will show you have repented & believe in change for good. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 13:52:21 GMT 1
Sorry for the Leeds slant on this..... but. "A man with new ideas, is a mad man, until his ideas triumph" I want to be part of the current Admin to offer an alternative voice, Id rather join than replace to be fair, but if a coup is the outcome then thats the way it would need to be. You cant have a closed shop representing half of a forum, if it does turn into a coup, it would be an open house with a diverse range of views, political persuasions and ideally diverse ethnicity, sexuality and Age. I dont see the problem with a representative Admin, Its surely a positive thing, the fact they obviously dont like me or dont wish me to join proves the point that the current set up isnt diverse enough. It should be two more Admin, i agree with that and they should be more liberal, Its upto the Admin now what they want to do, They can keep ignoring and hope it goes away, Ban me like so many others with an opinion they dont like, or face a leadership battle, the outcome of which is inconsequential to me provided the outcome provides balanced representation, Maybe a more popular liberal will put their name forward and be voted in. Maybe im the chosen one or maybe status quo remains. You can't spend the time bullshitting and defending it that you have & expect to have any credibility on here when it comes to questioning the admin structure on here, and you should know that! Include anti bullshit clauses in your manifesto, as I proposed, & even I will vote for you, because it will show you have repented & believe in change for good. One thing I have always done is stand up to the bully boys on here. It's the worst part of the forum as it is and it's relentless. That's one of the main reasons to break up the jolly boys club, the protected minority been able to bully at will. There are a group of about 20 posters that jump on your every word and then twist responses. It even extends to one of the ADMIN. I was hoping to get a front man for my new vision, a popular Boris Johnson type.... whilst I formulate the workings ala Dominic Cummings.... and get us both onto ADMIN to bring real change. It looks like I'm taking the fight on alone. Win or Lose it will make change for the good in the long run. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:56:15 GMT 1
You can't spend the time bullshitting and defending it that you have & expect to have any credibility on here when it comes to questioning the admin structure on here, and you should know that! Include anti bullshit clauses in your manifesto, as I proposed, & even I will vote for you, because it will show you have repented & believe in change for good. One thing I have always done is stand up to the bully boys on here. It's the worst part of the forum as it is and it's relentless. That's one of the main reasons to break up the jolly boys club, the protected minority been able to bully at will. There are a group of about 20 posters that jump on your every word and then twist responses. It even extends to one of the ADMIN. I was hoping to get a front man for my new vision, a popular Boris Johnson type.... whilst I formulate the workings ala Dominic Cummings.... and get us both onto ADMIN to bring real change. It looks like I'm taking the fight on alone. Win or Lose it will make change for the good in the long run. But are genuinely addressing the bullshit, you didn't comment? Come one, let's hear it? |
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Post by artysid on Jul 22, 2021 13:59:24 GMT 1
Who owns the site is a legal question. Not one that can be decided by people voting on an internet poll. The legal ownership will stay the same regardless of how people vote. That townrwe can't understand that is sad, but no surprise Did he say he could try and change the ownership by a vote ? He’s trying to get elected as an admin, he’s asked the board users to vote on it and also asked the existing admins to consider it. What do you think he should do if neither of those are acceptable and wether you like him or not is there any need to be so snidey and condescending in your reply, it’s noticeable how a number of posters who bang the drum the loudest about fairness, equality and opposed to bullying seem to me to be the worst culprits of it. He's asking us to vote on a simple question "Who owns this site?" and giving us the option to vote on two (both probably wrong) options.  His motive may be to become an admin, it doesn't change what he's asking us to vote on. Bit like me asking "which Manager got us promoted to the Premier League? and giving a choice of Lee Clark or Simon Grayson to vote on. No surprise you can't see that. If that makes me snidey and condescending too, I'll just have to live with it. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 22, 2021 14:08:23 GMT 1
I'm sure if you read the Terms and Conditions. It'll be Proboards that own it. That would be my guess too, though they've probably given someone a licence (or similar) to host it, subject to certain rules being observed. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 22, 2021 14:30:11 GMT 1
Did he say he could try and change the ownership by a vote ? He’s trying to get elected as an admin, he’s asked the board users to vote on it and also asked the existing admins to consider it. What do you think he should do if neither of those are acceptable and wether you like him or not is there any need to be so snidey and condescending in your reply, it’s noticeable how a number of posters who bang the drum the loudest about fairness, equality and opposed to bullying seem to me to be the worst culprits of it. He's asking us to vote on a simple question "Who owns this site?" and giving us the option to vote on two (both probably wrong) options. His motive may be to become an admin, it doesn't change what he's asking us to vote on. Bit like me asking "which Manager got us promoted to the Premier League? and giving a choice of Lee Clark or Simon Grayson to vote on. No surprise you can't see that. If that makes me snidey and condescending too, I'll just have to live with it. Another one, expert at twisting what’s said to what you want it to be from what it actually is, because it appears to strengthen your argument, be as surprised as you like as to what I can see, what makes someone snidey and condescending is the fact that they are, repeatedly, so I guess you will just have to live with it, unless you decide you’d like to change ? As for me I’d rather not waste anymore of my time or forum space with you so I won’t. |
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Post by canuckterrier on Jul 22, 2021 14:33:51 GMT 1
You're aware what the P in PM stands for, right? He should be banned for posting private messages. Why are the mods allowing this nonsense to ensue? Just deal with it please mods, it’s descending into a right ding dong here. We talking about Ted here or Mecha Cort? Mecha Cort may have quoted the PMs but Ted broke the 'private' in PMs in the first place by accusing Mecha of bullying in their PMs on a public thread without giving specifics or proof. Mecha was just helping Ted out by providing the specifics. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 22, 2021 14:40:07 GMT 1
He's asking us to vote on a simple question "Who owns this site?" and giving us the option to vote on two (both probably wrong) options. His motive may be to become an admin, it doesn't change what he's asking us to vote on. Bit like me asking "which Manager got us promoted to the Premier League? and giving a choice of Lee Clark or Simon Grayson to vote on. No surprise you can't see that. If that makes me snidey and condescending too, I'll just have to live with it. Another one, expert at twisting what’s said to what you want it to be from what it actually is, because it appears to strengthen your argument, be as surprised as you like as to what I can see, what makes someone snidey and condescending is the fact that they are, repeatedly, so I guess you will just have to live with it, unless you decide you’d like to change ? As for me I’d rather not waste anymore of my time or forum space with you so I won’t. That might make sense to you, but you've baffled me  |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 14:41:05 GMT 1
And all this time, The "ADMIN" are neither here to nip it in the bud, nor here to sort it out.... Yellow cards will be handed out willy nilly for one persons response to unfounded accusations from part of team Bullies. The site needs way more moderation, 3 very part time Admin just dont cut the mustard.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 14:46:57 GMT 1
Another one, expert at twisting what’s said to what you want it to be from what it actually is, because it appears to strengthen your argument, be as surprised as you like as to what I can see, what makes someone snidey and condescending is the fact that they are, repeatedly, so I guess you will just have to live with it, unless you decide you’d like to change ? As for me I’d rather not waste anymore of my time or forum space with you so I won’t. That might make sense to you, but you've baffled me Are you saying he has fitted you with a device used to restrain the flow of a fluid, gas, etc. or to prevent the spreading of sound or light in a particular direction |
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Post by Champers on Jul 22, 2021 15:07:40 GMT 1
He should be banned for posting private messages. Why are the mods allowing this nonsense to ensue? Just deal with it please mods, it’s descending into a right ding dong here. We talking about Ted here or Mecha Cort? Mecha Cort may have quoted the PMs but Ted broke the 'private' in PMs in the first place by accusing Mecha of bullying in their PMs on a public thread without giving specifics or proof. Mecha was just helping Ted out by providing the specifics. Then he should really have continued the discussion with Ted within the PRIVATE messages or simply ignored it. Absolutely no way should he be banned for it though, that's more than a little severe! When all said and done it's just another storm in the mountain of teacups piling up on the DATM kitchen counter this past week. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 22, 2021 15:23:22 GMT 1
Ted should have had his lifetime ban a looooooooong time ago.
He's in the clique though, funny handshakes with the admins, likes every post by every liberal minded poster, trolls all those that challenge the liberal mindset.
He's the apple of the admins eye. Untouchable.
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Post by muffinman on Jul 22, 2021 15:30:39 GMT 1
Its like watching dogs chase round their tails this forum at the moment. No wonder we are called dog botherers...
Also no wonder that townrwe has popped up during off season, again. Yet, everyone is pandering to him, again.
This 'debate' started off whether you thought Oti should have his ban recinded. It's now descended into this forums' most prolific interseason troll dictating the site once more. I, for one, are sick of it. I prefer a slight of hand approach when it comes to the administration of the site but how the fuck can you let somebody derail 'Talk of the town' as much as townrwe does, on point, every off season.
I couldn't care less about the Oti debate, crooked as some charge the admin to be. I am one of the mainly silent majority that come on here for information and to discuss town matters. Can we get back to that? Please?
And no more polls. We get it.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 22, 2021 15:45:52 GMT 1
You're aware what the P in PM stands for, right? He should be banned for posting private messages. Why are the mods allowing this nonsense to ensue? Just deal with it please mods, it’s descending into a right ding dong here. I've got no problem with it he can do what he wants . I asked him to pm me a few weeks ago knowing people must be getting bored of our "discussion" and wanting to sort it civilly over pm. His opening message was , let's say , aggressive so I immediately regretted . He then accused me of calling him a paedo completely out of the blue and out of context . . I said if he wanted to find where I'd said that could he send it and id have a look in order that I could explain to him my words (sure I've never called anyone a paedo on here ) No messages since then . He went silent and stopped responding to my posts for about 2 weeks but he can't help himself So no idea what he's waffling on about. He has this thing about people being bullied. The irony. I said because of his aggression I'd block him but tbh I'm not sure how to do that on my phone . I do t ha e a laptop any more. . Happy to start a thread in order that all can see the exchange. Although I'm 100% sure no one is interested.. but that would allow me to leave the matter here on this thread.. cos its not about me .. or him . Strange guy |
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