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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 25, 2021 8:38:56 GMT 1
Too early to call him Peter Clarke 2.0? He's a menace for us at set pieces.
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Post by Champers on Aug 25, 2021 8:43:21 GMT 1
Not the most technically gifted but he's all heart. A proper "old school" centre half who like you say, is a serious pain in the arse for the opposition at set pieces. He'll make a few mistakes for sure, but I quite like him from what I've seen so far.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 25, 2021 8:49:27 GMT 1
Definitely reminds me of Peter Clarke. Wholehearted defender.
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 25, 2021 8:56:28 GMT 1
All our centre backs are now a menace at set pieces. I think it might be to do with ball delivery!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 25, 2021 8:58:14 GMT 1
All our centre backs are now a menace at set pieces. I think it might be to do with ball delivery! Damned good job too, because the forwards are nowhere to be seen in front of goal.
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Post by araucaria on Aug 25, 2021 9:17:47 GMT 1
All our centre backs are now a menace at set pieces. I think it might be to do with ball delivery! Damned good job too, because the forwards are nowhere to be seen in front of goal. Unfortunately both Ward and Campbell have been spotted in offside positions by linesmen recently and, as a result, Pearson has had two goals chalked off. Fully agree about Thomas's delivery. I fear that he won't be with us much longer, the bugger needs to stop being quite so outstanding.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 25, 2021 9:21:31 GMT 1
It would appear that he difference in hope around the club at the moment is all about having someone who can cross the ball in to the right areas. Our forwards are not any better than last year and our midfield is weaker.
The defence has given us some hope, apart from the Fulham game that a good cross or two and we have a chance to get something from a game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 9:30:12 GMT 1
Can you imagine the damage Mounié could have done with service from Thomas ?
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 25, 2021 10:26:09 GMT 1
Can you imagine the damage Mounié could have done with service from Thomas ? The same Mounié who bagged against the mighty PSG last Friday 😉
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Post by detox on Aug 25, 2021 10:36:41 GMT 1
We'd be better off, by at least two goals, if we played without our strikers. If they're going to keep getting in the way, day dreaming, they're causing more harm than good. I'm surprised we played so tentatively against Everton late on,we should have pushed the cb's up and launched an aerial attack on the shaky Everton defence. Instead we just fannied around in our own half, just like the bad days of last season.
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Post by football on Aug 25, 2021 10:39:28 GMT 1
Damned good job too, because the forwards are nowhere to be seen in front of goal. Unfortunately both Ward and Campbell have been spotted in offside positions by linesmen recently and, as a result, Pearson has had two goals chalked off. Fully agree about Thomas's delivery. I fear that he won't be with us much longer, the bugger needs to stop being quite so outstanding. If you look at our first goal last night Campbell was standing right in front of the goalie so that could have been flagged.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 25, 2021 10:40:19 GMT 1
Solid, no nonsense defender. Just what we needed
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 25, 2021 10:50:31 GMT 1
I must admit I wanted Pearson to be the one dropped if it came down to him and Naby but he was fantastic last night and looked a lot sharper. Not technically gifted no, but that drag back and knock on past Iwobi (I think) was sublime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 10:59:10 GMT 1
All our centre backs are now a menace at set pieces. I think it might be to do with ball delivery! Damned good job too, because the forwards are nowhere to be seen in front of goal. Interestingly, if you watch the goal and the one chalked off, Campbell was in the SAME offside place for both! (our goal shouldn't have stood). Arguably he's interfering more with the keeper in the one that WAS given! It seems the tactic is for Campbell to keep the keeper pinned to the touchline, so the ball can be whipped in and attacked at the edge of the 6 yard box. But what Campbell NEEDs to do is be more aware of what the opposition defence are doing - they will naturally get drawn out to attack the ball unless there's someone sticking on the post (doesn't happen often any more, you'll maybe have a striker defending at the near post - but once the ball has passed them, they don't tend to stick there) - so often he'll be offside if we win the header. Its a good tactic, but he needs to either rush out in line with the opposition defenders pushing out, or move laterally (and get frustrated when he's then flagged offside for any scrappy goals he might pick up) so he's not creating an offside as the header is won. It's doable...if as the ball crosses the near boundary of the 6 yard box, and he moves out from the keeper, no sensible keeper is then going to push out and try and win the ball as he'd just be caught out flat footed, he'd reasonably stay on his line still. These clips are lined up to the start of both corners... An offside goal given.... An offside goal not given... Whats interesting is there's no appeal for offside from Everton players in either instance.
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Post by upthetown on Aug 25, 2021 11:03:04 GMT 1
I mentioned when watching it last night that Campbell did the same for both goals. No consistency from the officials.
Great to see us looking a genuine threat from set pieces this season - two goals ruled out from set pieces too.
Pearson, Sarr, Lees all looking solid enough. Colwill looks like the next Chilwell or ESR that could go on to great things.
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Post by araucaria on Aug 25, 2021 11:16:35 GMT 1
Unfortunately both Ward and Campbell have been spotted in offside positions by linesmen recently and, as a result, Pearson has had two goals chalked off. Fully agree about Thomas's delivery. I fear that he won't be with us much longer, the bugger needs to stop being quite so outstanding. If you look at our first goal last night Campbell was standing right in front of the goalie so that could have been flagged. That's what happened and was what I was referring to. Perhaps I'm being too hard on Ward because, when he was offside against Fulham, the ball came back off him and Pearson banged it in.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 25, 2021 11:26:00 GMT 1
I like him. Very good recruitment at CB
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Post by Htfc65 on Aug 25, 2021 11:51:07 GMT 1
The most annoying thing is how long the linesman takes to flag. quote author="@ennius" source="/post/2896110/thread" timestamp="162985550"] Damned good job too, because the forwards are nowhere to be seen in front of goal. Interestingly, if you watch the goal and the one chalked off, Campbell was in the SAME offside place for both! (our goal shouldn't have stood). Arguably he's interfering more with the keeper in the one that WAS given! It seems the tactic is for Campbell to keep the keeper pinned to the touchline, so the ball can be whipped in and attacked at the edge of the 6 yard box. But what Campbell NEEDs to do is be more aware of what the opposition defence are doing - they will naturally get drawn out to attack the ball unless there's someone sticking on the post (doesn't happen often any more, you'll maybe have a striker defending at the near post - but once the ball has passed them, they don't tend to stick there) - so often he'll be offside if we win the header. Its a good tactic, but he needs to either rush out in line with the opposition defenders pushing out, or move laterally (and get frustrated when he's then flagged offside for any scrappy goals he might pick up) so he's not creating an offside as the header is won. It's doable...if as the ball crosses the near boundary of the 6 yard box, and he moves out from the keeper, no sensible keeper is then going to push out and try and win the ball as he'd just be caught out flat footed, he'd reasonably stay on his line still. These clips are lined up to the start of both corners... An offside goal given.... An offside goal not given... Whats interesting is there's no appeal for offside from Everton players in either instance.[/quote]
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Post by Tiro on Aug 25, 2021 12:27:55 GMT 1
Luton have conceded 7 goals from set pieces this season already.
That in part is down to the losses of both Sonny Bradley (injured) and Matty Pearson.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 25, 2021 12:36:39 GMT 1
The Town players had already got to the KB to celebrate before the lino decides to flag 🤨
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Post by calken on Aug 25, 2021 12:58:05 GMT 1
The Town players had already got to the KB to celebrate before the lino decides to flag 🤨 I do wonder if it was the ref that called it - I can't see how an assistant can tell from that angle if the player is interfering.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 25, 2021 13:16:28 GMT 1
You can't be offside directly from a corner. The only way that Campbell could have been flagged for offside would be if he was standing directly in front of the keeper and blocking his sight with the defenders having pushed out, but how can the linesman, without the "benefit" of VAR, be sure from his position that Campbell was directly in front of the keeper? Surely he was guessing. Had Campbell been a yard either side of the keeper and therefore not interferring with play, then he couldn't have been offfside. It was a different linesman for Lees' goal and if anything Campbell was nearer to the keeper than for the second goal, but clearly the first lineman didn't/couldn't see any offence. The less senior linesman (determined by flag colour) has guessed in my opinion.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Aug 25, 2021 14:08:58 GMT 1
Maybe someone on the Everton back-room staff spotted it when analysing the first goal, so they got in the Officials' ears at half time to watch out for it? I bloody well would have if I were in a position to do so.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 25, 2021 14:21:06 GMT 1
Too early to call him Peter Clarke MkII, but I can definitely see similarities.
For me, Pearson is the better footballer, Clarke the better captain (best captain in my time as a fan) - but the similarities are pretty clear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 14:21:46 GMT 1
The only way that Campbell could have been flagged for offside would be if he was standing directly in front of the keeper and blocking his sight with the defenders having pushed out, but how can the linesman, without the "benefit" of VAR, be sure from his position that Campbell was directly in front of the keeper? Surely he was guessing. Had Campbell been a yard either side of the keeper and therefore not interferring with play, then he couldn't have been offside. From his view its possibly a reasonable guess. He can see as the corner is taken that Campbell is effectively stood on the keepers toes, and as the goal goes in and then Campbell boots it back into the net in celebration, the lino would get an impression of where Campbell had been...on the TV footage, they showed a goal-line camera and he really clearly stood out as being in front of the keeper. But actually, if you watch the footage, as he raises the flag, you can see he's in conversation with the referee via his radio - so quite likely that is the delay, if he's had a quick conversation to say Campbell was goal side of everyone bar the keeper and asks referee to clarify if he was 'interfering' the keepers view. The ref would have been almost directly behind the line of the header, so would have quickly been able to answer and confirm the decision. And any 'guess' speculation, is off the backdrop of the fact that it technically WAS offside anyway (as was our given goal!) - so pretty pointless to argue, given any guess was correct!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 14:25:38 GMT 1
Maybe someone on the Everton back-room staff spotted it when analysing the first goal, so they got in the Officials' ears at half time to watch out for it? I bloody well would have if I were in a position to do so. If that were the case, you'd expect the players to have appealed against our goal? Even the defender who very slightly plays Campbell offside, who has the benefit of looking directly back across the play through Campbell with nobody blocking his view is resigned to it being a goal - when he can clearly see Campbell offside and interfering if its on his mind. Its a different lino and a different time - one got it wrong (and we benefited), one didn't.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Aug 25, 2021 15:05:00 GMT 1
Not the most technically gifted but he's all heart. A proper "old school" centre half who like you say, is a serious pain in the arse for the opposition at set pieces. He'll make a few mistakes for sure, but I quite like him from what I've seen so far. I actually tend to slightly disagree with him not being technically gifted. I don't think he's a clogger, and I don't think he's a John Stones. But, there were a few times last night, he shifted the ball out of his feet, or changed angles to open up an inside or a ball down the line really well yesterday. Which surprised me, he is an old fashioned centre half. Nothing fancy, simple and does the basics fairly well. Aggressive in the opposition box especially for set pieces. There was a clip (haven't seen it mentioned), with Billy Sharps goal Vs Sheff Utd, you see Matty P diving head first to try and block the shot (he was off balance and falling with momentum) however, that's the stuff you'd want to see in your CB. Tidy professional, good communicator (him and Nicholls) talk to back line, loud and proud. So far so good.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 25, 2021 15:13:43 GMT 1
I more so compare him to Sean Morrison than Clarke, but probably because he’s a unit. Definitely a great personality to have on the pitch.
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Post by upthetown on Aug 25, 2021 15:15:38 GMT 1
Not the most technically gifted but he's all heart. A proper "old school" centre half who like you say, is a serious pain in the arse for the opposition at set pieces. He'll make a few mistakes for sure, but I quite like him from what I've seen so far. I actually tend to slightly disagree with him not being technically gifted. I don't think he's a clogger, and I don't think he's a John Stones. But, there were a few times last night, he shifted the ball out of his feet, or changed angles to open up an inside or a ball down the line really well yesterday. Which surprised me, he is an old fashioned centre half. Nothing fancy, simple and does the basics fairly well. Aggressive in the opposition box especially for set pieces. There was a clip (haven't seen it mentioned), with Billy Sharps goal Vs Sheff Utd, you see Matty P diving head first to try and block the shot (he was off balance and falling with momentum) however, that's the stuff you'd want to see in your CB. Tidy professional, good communicator (him and Nicholls) talk to back line, loud and proud. So far so good. I also liked seeing him trying to put his head/face on it even whilst falling to the ground!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 25, 2021 15:26:05 GMT 1
A proper stopper. Great signing so far.
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