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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 29, 2021 9:30:13 GMT 1
Anybody else feel that the officials at this level have become very confused with what is and isn't a foul?
More so early on in the game there were some very strange decisions. We kept being penalised for little pushes which referees are not supposed to be as quick to give free kicks for this season and then Toffolo gets barged over right in front of the lino and we get nothing.
I was on the opposite side but it looked like a great tackle on Thomas which resulted in the free kick where Sinani hit the post. Appeared that the man played the ball on to Thomas for a goal kick.
Then straight after the free kick the ref penalised Sinani and I've no idea what for. You can see it on the highlights below and he clearly pokes the ball away and their man had no issues at all with it as he kept chasing after it.
Might be being picky but they dont help themselves. On the other hand, i think the Premier League refs have been very good so far this season.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 29, 2021 9:52:27 GMT 1
Anybody else feel that the officials at this level have become very confused with what is and isn't a foul? More so early on in the game there were some very strange decisions. We kept being penalised for little pushes which referees are not supposed to be as quick to give free kicks for this season and then Toffolo gets barged over right in front of the lino and we get nothing. I was on the opposite side but it looked like a great tackle on Thomas which resulted in the free kick where Sinani hit the post. Appeared that the man played the ball on to Thomas for a goal kick. Then straight after the free kick the ref penalised Sinani and I've no idea what for. You can see it on the highlights below and he clearly pokes the ball away and their man had no issues at all with it as he kept chasing after it. Might be being picky but they dont help themselves. On the other hand, i think the Premier League refs have been very good so far this season. No, I think they've decided if it's BY a Town player it's a foul and a yellow card. If it's ON a Town player it's play on 🤬
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 29, 2021 9:56:05 GMT 1
I thought he'd penalised Sinani for touching the free kick twice, I thought it came back to him directly off the post. It was only when I saw it on Quest I realised a defender had got a touch trying to clear it.
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Post by artysid on Aug 29, 2021 9:57:53 GMT 1
There was one incident in the second half where Sorba thought he was offside, stopped, looked at the Linesman on the Kilner bank side who indicated play on, so he carried on, only to have the same linesman rule him off-side when he touched the ball.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 29, 2021 10:03:42 GMT 1
There was one incident in the second half where Sorba thought he was offside, stopped, looked at the Linesman on the Kilner bank side who indicated play on, so he carried on, only to have the same linesman rule him off-side when he touched the ball. I think they just love pissing everyone off
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 18, 2021 19:28:02 GMT 1
Another idiot today.
The most blatant booking you'll ever see when their lad stopped us taking a throw early on but he lets him off because the game has only just started. That's a load of bollox, the laws of the game don't change from minute to minute
Then the taunting/laughing at Thomas when their lad wasn't 10 yards from the corner. Instead of moving their man back he thought it more appropriate to tell Thomas it was his own time he was wasting. Wanker
And time wasting. It feels like we get booked for feck all when away from home for doing it and yet Samba fully took the piss for 90 minutes and this clown just let him get away with it
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2021 19:49:23 GMT 1
Another idiot today. The most blatant booking you'll ever see when their lad stopped us taking a throw early on but he lets him off because the game has only just started. That's a load of bollox, the laws of the game don't change from minute to minute Then the taunting/laughing at Thomas when their lad wasn't 10 yards from the corner. Instead of moving their man back he thought it more appropriate to tell Thomas it was his own time he was wasting. Wanker And time wasting. It feels like we get booked for feck all when away from home for doing it and yet Samba fully took the piss for 90 minutes and this clown just let him get away with it Time wasting is the biggest scourge on the modern game. I know Town are as bad as anyone and Nicholls at Shef U was superb.
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Post by impact on Sept 18, 2021 19:52:36 GMT 1
Another idiot today. The most blatant booking you'll ever see when their lad stopped us taking a throw early on but he lets him off because the game has only just started. That's a load of bollox, the laws of the game don't change from minute to minute Then the taunting/laughing at Thomas when their lad wasn't 10 yards from the corner. Instead of moving their man back he thought it more appropriate to tell Thomas it was his own time he was wasting. Wanker And time wasting. It feels like we get booked for feck all when away from home for doing it and yet Samba fully took the piss for 90 minutes and this clown just let him get away with it That's what happens when Mike Riley starts managing you. He used to be a really good ref.
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Post by durhamterrier on Sept 18, 2021 20:38:16 GMT 1
Scene was set in that first minute . Let their right back away with several and how Yates (22) wasn’t booked is beyond me.
To top it all off , the “advantage” before their first goal was diabolical .
All that being said , we deserved nothing from today regardless of decisions
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Post by specialun on Sept 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT 1
Scene was set in that first minute . Let their right back away with several and how Yates (22) wasn’t booked is beyond me. To top it all off , the “advantage” before their first goal was diabolical . All that being said , we deserved nothing from today regardless of decisions Disagree re advantage - we had the ball in the opposition half with space. He wasn’t to know we’d make a mess of it. And a long time between that and the ball ending in the net Agree re early yellow not given - blatent yellow and did set the tone
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Post by ilsonterrier on Sept 18, 2021 21:13:02 GMT 1
I thought a deliberate handball should be a yellow card. He bottled it by not giving a second yellow card to Garner 2 minutes after he'd been booked, and then he didn't book Grabban either. The time wasting was ridiculous but we could still be playing now and not scored.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 22:06:17 GMT 1
Timewasting is the biggest bugbear for me.
It’s so obvious to everyone, but the referee decides to ignore it.
And no, before anyone starts, timewasting is not “game management”.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 18, 2021 22:08:35 GMT 1
Another idiot today. The most blatant booking you'll ever see when their lad stopped us taking a throw early on but he lets him off because the game has only just started. That's a load of bollox, the laws of the game don't change from minute to minute Then the taunting/laughing at Thomas when their lad wasn't 10 yards from the corner. Instead of moving their man back he thought it more appropriate to tell Thomas it was his own time he was wasting. Wanker And time wasting. It feels like we get booked for feck all when away from home for doing it and yet Samba fully took the piss for 90 minutes and this clown just let him get away with it Time wasting is the biggest scourge on the modern game. I know Town are as bad as anyone and Nicholls at Shef U was superb. Whilst I am not saying time wasting isn't a bit of an issue, to say it's the "biggest scourge on the modern game" is total and utter bollocks.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 18, 2021 22:33:25 GMT 1
Time wasting is the biggest scourge on the modern game. I know Town are as bad as anyone and Nicholls at Shef U was superb. Whilst I am not saying time wasting isn't a bit of an issue, to say it's the "biggest scourge on the modern game" is total and utter bollocks. They're wasting time from minute one. Maybe I exaggerated but for the paying in watching public it really is incredibly annoying.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 18, 2021 22:36:23 GMT 1
I'm more upset about the new scoreboard layout.
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 18, 2021 22:40:39 GMT 1
To top it all off , the “advantage” before their first goal was diabolical . Disagree re advantage - we had the ball in the opposition half with space. He wasn’t to know we’d make a mess of it. No advantage whatsoever. I can't believe anybody who has watched us this season wouldn't prefer a free kick in the final third to having the ball in a crowded area with defenders set.
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Post by Dillinger on Sept 18, 2021 22:46:46 GMT 1
There wasn't anything wrong with the ref today.. A bit on and off but he wasn't a bad ref.
Seperatly, and an axe I am very happy to grind, the overall standard of referee in the football league is appalling, culminating in Michael Oliver et al being there to enforce the status quo; if you're Man City, then the officials will do everything they can to ensure your safe passage to 3 points, especially against the likes of us
The ref wasn't bad today, imo..
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 18, 2021 22:48:18 GMT 1
Disagree re advantage - we had the ball in the opposition half with space. He wasn’t to know we’d make a mess of it. No advantage whatsoever. I can't believe anybody who has watched us this season wouldn't prefer a free kick in the final third to having the ball in a crowded area with defenders set. We had the ball, you can't expect the ref to give us the free kick just because we've been good at then lately. He wasn't to know O'Brien was about to pass to the Forest player and set up their goal
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 18, 2021 22:49:32 GMT 1
There wasn't anything wrong with the ref today.. A bit on and off but he wasn't a bad ref. Seperatly, and an axe I am very happy to grind, the overall standard of referee in the football league is appalling, culminating in Michael Oliver et al being there to enforce the status quo; if you're Man City, then the officials will do everything they can to ensure your safe passage to 3 points, especially against the likes of us The ref wasn't bad today, imo.. Apart from him deciding deliberate handball wasn't a booking if you had a Forest shirt on.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 18, 2021 23:12:38 GMT 1
I thought a deliberate handball should be a yellow card. He bottled it by not giving a second yellow card to Garner 2 minutes after he'd been booked, and then he didn't book Grabban either. The time wasting was ridiculous but we could still be playing now and not scored. Whilst agreeing with you, when has playing against 10 men ever been to our advantage?
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Post by impact on Sept 18, 2021 23:49:39 GMT 1
I thought a deliberate handball should be a yellow card. He bottled it by not giving a second yellow card to Garner 2 minutes after he'd been booked, and then he didn't book Grabban either. The time wasting was ridiculous but we could still be playing now and not scored. Deliberate handball is no longer a yellow card offence. To be a yellow it has to interfere with or stop a promising attack. I didn't see the incident you're talking about so that isn't a specific incident comment, it's a general law one.
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Post by Champers on Sept 19, 2021 1:50:59 GMT 1
I really don't think we can complain about another team timewasting as we've been pretty horrendous for it since the start of the season. We were at it from about 20 minutes into the game at Sheffield United and have actively pissed about in every game we've been in front all season. It is annoying as hell to watch though, even when we're the ones benefiting.
I'd sooner they cut the game down to 30 mins each half and stopped the clock when the ball went dead.
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Post by artysid on Sept 19, 2021 9:33:14 GMT 1
I really don't think we can complain about another team timewasting as we've been pretty horrendous for it since the start of the season. We were at it from about 20 minutes into the game at Sheffield United and have actively pissed about in every game we've been in front all season. It is annoying as hell to watch though, even when we're the ones benefiting. I'd sooner they cut the game down to 30 mins each half and stopped the clock when the ball went dead. Rugby do it better.
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Post by football on Sept 19, 2021 9:38:05 GMT 1
I really don't think we can complain about another team timewasting as we've been pretty horrendous for it since the start of the season. We were at it from about 20 minutes into the game at Sheffield United and have actively pissed about in every game we've been in front all season. It is annoying as hell to watch though, even when we're the ones benefiting. I'd sooner they cut the game down to 30 mins each half and stopped the clock when the ball went dead. Rugby do it better. Or American football, clock stops when ball goes out of play and you have 40 seconds to make a play. That would stop the pissing about at dead balls etc.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Sept 19, 2021 10:14:33 GMT 1
I thought a deliberate handball should be a yellow card. He bottled it by not giving a second yellow card to Garner 2 minutes after he'd been booked, and then he didn't book Grabban either. The time wasting was ridiculous but we could still be playing now and not scored. Deliberate handball is no longer a yellow card offence. To be a yellow it has to interfere with or stop a promising attack. I didn't see the incident you're talking about so that isn't a specific incident comment, it's a general law one. Didn't realise that but both cases were intended to stop us getting the ball and therefore cynical so maybe they should have been (similar to those fouls that Man City do when a team is breaking away from their own penalty area). Both incidents were about 10 yards to the right of our dugouts - the first was within a couple of minutes of Garner's booking, the second a few minutes later - so not necessarily in a particularly attacking position but nevertheless the intention was there. Also, the timewasting by their goalie was ridiculous. Yes I know Nicholls does it as well but he has 2 yellow cards to show for it. Think the ref told him to hurry up once, but not a sniff of a booking. 2 minutes added on in the first half was a joke - the mysterious head injury incident stopped play for a full 2 minutes by itself.
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 19, 2021 11:19:54 GMT 1
No advantage whatsoever. I can't believe anybody who has watched us this season wouldn't prefer a free kick in the final third to having the ball in a crowded area with defenders set. We had the ball, you can't expect the ref to give us the free kick just because we've been good at then lately. He wasn't to know O'Brien was about to pass to the Forest player and set up their goal OK I overdid the reference to Town but simply cannot see at all how the referee would think it's better for us to have the ball in that position compared to a free kick. We were in a "nothing" position and (particularly as we then had a man down) outnumbered in the area. ...what really p****s me off is that it seems advantage is the one area that referees are encouraged to use to speed up play (and as a result over-use it) but just ignore other simple things like blocking free kick being taken, time wasting, kicking the ball away, delaying giving offsides when it's obvious a man is offside and approaching the ball etc. etc. Another thing that really gets on my threepennys is officials ignoring obstruction when letting a ball run out of play. There was one second half yesterday when the Forest player must have moved two yards sideways to block a player getting round him. A foul all day long anywhere else on the pitch in other circumstances.
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Post by stevvy on Sept 19, 2021 11:47:22 GMT 1
Said it a million times, rather than telling the keeper or whoever else to hurry up, or pointing at their watch, just book the fucker. The sooner you book them, the less they can risk timewasting and getting another booking for the same thing.
Also I'd have booked their guy (no idea who it was) who looked like he possibly got a boot in the head (our left back area), held his face and rolled around like he'd been shot, then as soon as our guy was telling him to basically get up, he shot up and was looking for trouble. Would've booked him for such an embarassing overreaction when clearly there was nothing wrong with him.
The standard overall is pretty poor, but certainly can't blame the ref for us losing yesterday
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 19, 2021 11:54:19 GMT 1
Also I'd have booked their guy (no idea who it was) who looked like he possibly got a boot in the head (our left back area), held his face and rolled around like he'd been shot, then as soon as our guy was telling him to basically get up, he shot up and was looking for trouble. Would've booked him for such an embarassing overreaction when clearly there was nothing wrong with him. The feeling around me (Centre Kilner bank) was that LOB wasn't near him. As you say if he had been caught no way would he have been up imediately pushing and shoving.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Sept 19, 2021 12:15:37 GMT 1
Still don't get the decision not to book their guy at the start of the match for just knocking the ball out of Toffolo's hands when taking a throw-in. The only reason can be that it was something like the second or third minute in so he just let him off with a warning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 12:17:15 GMT 1
Said it a million times, rather than telling the keeper or whoever else to hurry up, or pointing at their watch, just book the fucker. The sooner you book them, the less they can risk timewasting and getting another booking for the same thing. Also I'd have booked their guy (no idea who it was) who looked like he possibly got a boot in the head (our left back area), held his face and rolled around like he'd been shot, then as soon as our guy was telling him to basically get up, he shot up and was looking for trouble. Would've booked him for such an embarassing overreaction when clearly there was nothing wrong with him. The standard overall is pretty poor, but certainly can't blame the ref for us losing yesterday On your first point, I have the same feelings when the referee warns players about grappling in the box at corners and free kicks. Well, why? The players are old enough to know the rules, and if they breach them then they will be punished appropriately. Why do they need a reminder about the consequence of pulling/shoving at set pieces? Just let it unfold and make a decision if there needs to be one. Completely agree regarding going straight for a yellow card, especially for timewasting. They’d soon stop.
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