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Post by Amigo on Sept 21, 2021 16:28:08 GMT 1
The imbeciles I’m referring to are ones stating it’s a good job we didn’t buy him on a permanent or he’s just not good enough. By all means say he’s not stood out or had an impact yet but people are completely writing him off already as a poor purchase, just like they did with Sorba. So yeah there are people that fit that description, read SuperNoFuckAll’s post for one. As things stand, with the (limited) evidence we've seen, it IS currently a good job we didn't buy him on a permanent. Hopefully that will change...and I'm sure your imbeciles would change their mind if he steps up a level as the season progresses and bangs in 10-15 goals. I hope that is the case...but my current gut feeling (based on the limited evidence) is that he's not really good enough for mens football yet, we're maybe 6 months to a year too early to see him make a real impact. Surely if we're possibly 6 months to a year too early (as we probably were with Sorba and Koroma) then we'd have been better buying him than loaning him? You can't possibly say it's a good job we didn't buy him based on 59 minutes that's ridiculous.
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Post by ldotm on Sept 21, 2021 17:50:34 GMT 1
The imbeciles I’m referring to are ones stating it’s a good job we didn’t buy him on a permanent or he’s just not good enough. By all means say he’s not stood out or had an impact yet but people are completely writing him off already as a poor purchase, just like they did with Sorba. So yeah there are people that fit that description, read SuperNoFuckAll’s post for one. As things stand, with the (limited) evidence we've seen, it IS currently a good job we didn't buy him on a permanent. Hopefully that will change...and I'm sure your imbeciles would change their mind if he steps up a level as the season progresses and bangs in 10-15 goals. I hope that is the case...but my current gut feeling (based on the limited evidence) is that he's not really good enough for mens football yet, we're maybe 6 months to a year too early to see him make a real impact. No as things stand, it is too early to judge e.g Sorba Thomas & Josh Koroma. That is exactly the point everyone is making, we will reserve judgement until we have a decent enough sample size to make a sound call. Every player has bad games, that's before taking into account he's adapting to a different team tactically, a new part of the country, new training regime, a new league and so on... He's not even played a full 90 minutes, what are people expecting? Nobody is suggesting you can't or people won't hold their hands up and say they got it wrong, I'm just saying I think there is far more logic in waiting out to judge a player when they've had enough game time. Exactly the same reason why the majority of scouts will watch players over and over again to analyse every nuance and ensure it's over a long enough period to judge quality and consistency and not purely form.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 19:01:31 GMT 1
As things stand, with the (limited) evidence we've seen, it IS currently a good job we didn't buy him on a permanent. Hopefully that will change...and I'm sure your imbeciles would change their mind if he steps up a level as the season progresses and bangs in 10-15 goals. I hope that is the case...but my current gut feeling (based on the limited evidence) is that he's not really good enough for mens football yet, we're maybe 6 months to a year too early to see him make a real impact. Surely if we're possibly 6 months to a year too early (as we probably were with Sorba and Koroma) then we'd have been better buying him than loaning him? You can't possibly say it's a good job we didn't buy him based on 59 minutes that's ridiculous. If he comes good in 6months to a year, then yes, we'd have been in a better position if we'd been able to buy him. He might not. Hence the maybe, and thats the risk. That we were prepared to take a monetary risk like that is probably a good sign, even though it didn't come off. That West Ham decided to nail him to an extended contract is probably a good sign. Possiby/probably...we'd maybe have expected Kasey Palmer to be a future star too, which hasn't happened for whatever reason (although Chelsea have certainly got their money back on him).
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Post by griffa on Sept 21, 2021 20:11:01 GMT 1
After 59 minutes on the field, you're binning him! No. I'm not. I've tried to be as clear as possible, as those who are afraid of saying what they see don't seem to like it, all I'm saying is....on the limited exposure we've had of him so far (which is ALL we can measure him by), he hasn't really looked good enough, and based on just that evidence, nobody with any sense at this time would say, "oh, he's a player who is going places, great to see we have tried to make him a Town player". I hope that as he gets more minutes, he demonstrates some of the qualities that put him on our radar, and I hope that the impression gained from the limited exposure and evidence we've had so far, is not a refined or accurate impression, and that he improves and contributes much quicker. What specifically do you disagree with? Do you think he's been brilliant?? Its very easy to judge footballers on limited minutes, as long as you acknowledge to yourself thats what you're doing, and it might not be wholly accurate as things pan out. What do you want to do, wait until every player has got 60 games under their belts before you can say anything positive or negative about their qualities?! 59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 20:37:41 GMT 1
No. I'm not. I've tried to be as clear as possible, as those who are afraid of saying what they see don't seem to like it, all I'm saying is....on the limited exposure we've had of him so far (which is ALL we can measure him by), he hasn't really looked good enough, and based on just that evidence, nobody with any sense at this time would say, "oh, he's a player who is going places, great to see we have tried to make him a Town player". I hope that as he gets more minutes, he demonstrates some of the qualities that put him on our radar, and I hope that the impression gained from the limited exposure and evidence we've had so far, is not a refined or accurate impression, and that he improves and contributes much quicker. What specifically do you disagree with? Do you think he's been brilliant?? Its very easy to judge footballers on limited minutes, as long as you acknowledge to yourself thats what you're doing, and it might not be wholly accurate as things pan out. What do you want to do, wait until every player has got 60 games under their belts before you can say anything positive or negative about their qualities?! 59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward? He's not half as bad as he's generally made out to be. Like Mipo, I think he's possibly the wrong player for this system and set of players, and like Mipo, might be much more effective if we played with a pair up front, as he's demonstrated he has some reasonable movement, and like Mipo has made (plenty of, in the case of Ward) decent inviting runs off the ball so far this season. Given the players we have, I'd quite like to see us play at least half an hour with Mipo, Ward and Holmes on the pitch. How do you rate Danny Ward?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 20:42:34 GMT 1
59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward? He's not half as bad as he's generally made out to be. Like Mipo, I think he's possibly the wrong player for this system and set of players, and like Mipo, might be much more effective if we played with a pair up front, as he's demonstrated he has some reasonable movement, and like Mipo has made (plenty of, in the case of Ward) decent inviting runs off the ball so far this season. Given the players we have, I'd quite like to see us play at least half an hour with Mipo, Ward and Holmes on the pitch. How do you rate Danny Ward? Based on 59 minutes "Like Mipo hes possibly the wrong player for this system." Stop talking utter bollocks based on 59 minutes, some which a game is won already and another where we were just total shite. Please. Whoever else is judging this kid and assuming, just shut the fuck up ya moaning set of bastards
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Post by griffa on Sept 21, 2021 21:29:18 GMT 1
He's not half as bad as he's generally made out to be. Like Mipo, I think he's possibly the wrong player for this system and set of players, and like Mipo, might be much more effective if we played with a pair up front, as he's demonstrated he has some reasonable movement, and like Mipo has made (plenty of, in the case of Ward) decent inviting runs off the ball so far this season. Given the players we have, I'd quite like to see us play at least half an hour with Mipo, Ward and Holmes on the pitch. How do you rate Danny Ward? Based on 59 minutes "Like Mipo hes possibly the wrong player for this system." Stop talking utter bollocks based on 59 minutes, some which a game is won already and another where we were just total shite. Please. Whoever else is judging this kid and assuming, just shut the fuck up ya moaning set of bastards Great post halifaxterrier - UTT.
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Post by softboy on Sept 21, 2021 21:29:41 GMT 1
59 minutes and the shit he is getting. Wow. But hey ho we lost on Saturday so somebody has to be a scapegoat and the younger and more defenseless the better.
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Post by griffa on Sept 21, 2021 21:31:05 GMT 1
59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward? He's not half as bad as he's generally made out to be. Like Mipo, I think he's possibly the wrong player for this system and set of players, and like Mipo, might be much more effective if we played with a pair up front, as he's demonstrated he has some reasonable movement, and like Mipo has made (plenty of, in the case of Ward) decent inviting runs off the ball so far this season. Given the players we have, I'd quite like to see us play at least half an hour with Mipo, Ward and Holmes on the pitch. How do you rate Danny Ward? I asked you first, but for the record I don't rate him at all - UTT.
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Post by cyberman on Sept 22, 2021 11:12:13 GMT 1
No. I'm not. I've tried to be as clear as possible, as those who are afraid of saying what they see don't seem to like it, all I'm saying is....on the limited exposure we've had of him so far (which is ALL we can measure him by), he hasn't really looked good enough, and based on just that evidence, nobody with any sense at this time would say, "oh, he's a player who is going places, great to see we have tried to make him a Town player". I hope that as he gets more minutes, he demonstrates some of the qualities that put him on our radar, and I hope that the impression gained from the limited exposure and evidence we've had so far, is not a refined or accurate impression, and that he improves and contributes much quicker. What specifically do you disagree with? Do you think he's been brilliant?? Its very easy to judge footballers on limited minutes, as long as you acknowledge to yourself thats what you're doing, and it might not be wholly accurate as things pan out. What do you want to do, wait until every player has got 60 games under their belts before you can say anything positive or negative about their qualities?! 59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward?Overpaid shite !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 13:32:59 GMT 1
59 minutes! How do you rate Danny Ward?Overpaid shite ! It never ceases to amaze me how people know how much players are paid. Does their wife/mum know how much they earn?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 14:07:34 GMT 1
It never ceases to amaze me how people know how much players are paid. Does their wife/mum know how much they earn? Steve is there a parallel universe where youre nice to someone on here or on the other site, as im failing to see. He said over paid shite. He didn't say how much he was on. Youre a gobshite on here and one on there too, whats your fucking problem like?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 17:39:36 GMT 1
It never ceases to amaze me how people know how much players are paid. Does their wife/mum know how much they earn? Steve is there a parallel universe where youre nice to someone on here or on the other site, as im failing to see. He said over paid shite. He didn't say how much he was on. Youre a gobshite on here and one on there too, whats your fucking problem like? Shite has a value, unless you know how much you can't know it's too much.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 22, 2021 17:42:26 GMT 1
How much are you worth Stevie ? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 17:58:01 GMT 1
How much are you worth Stevie ? :-) If I only knew, I guess about 1.3, but I don't think there is an I in my name - are you trying to add value?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 22, 2021 18:12:38 GMT 1
How much are you worth Stevie ? :-) If I only knew, I guess about 1.3, but I don't think there is an I in my name - are you trying to add value? Don't you like it ? Reminders of Smith , Spriggs and errrr Nicks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 18:19:17 GMT 1
If I only knew, I guess about 1.3, but I don't think there is an I in my name - are you trying to add value? Don't you like it ? Reminders of Smith , Spriggs and errrr Nicks You will need to explain if you wish me to understand.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 22, 2021 18:23:25 GMT 1
Don't you like it ? Reminders of Smith , Spriggs and errrr Nicks You will need to explain if you wish me to understand. I wish for you to understand. But I won't be explaining
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Post by cyberman on Sept 23, 2021 20:59:17 GMT 1
If you were the chairman of HTFC Steve - what salary would you be paying Danny Ward ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 21:28:06 GMT 1
If you were the chairman of HTFC Steve - what salary would you be paying Danny Ward ? I'm not & I won't be, but if I was & I were to it would be a private matter & fuck all to do with you!
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Post by softboy on Sept 26, 2021 10:54:05 GMT 1
Without knowing the terms/reasons for the loan it is difficult to place a value on this signing. It may well be that West Ham have agreed to cover the bulk of his wages and are using this as a way of introducing him to first team football slowly and patiently and if he has 10/15 games under his belt by the end of the season they would be happy. It may well be that we are paying all his wages and expect him to be a first team player after a month or so getting used to a new team and surroundings. Nobody can really make a judgement at this stage whichever it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 11:03:23 GMT 1
Any loan deal involving a young kid is loaded with risk. Risk for the owning club and risk for the host club. Some kick on immediately and make impacts (ESR, Palmer, Brown) but that is the exception rather than the rule. Others grow into their new environment and provide a bit of value over time.
Let’s just give this lad a chance to grow and develop.
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Post by dm on Sept 26, 2021 11:34:53 GMT 1
Any loan deal involving a young kid is loaded with risk. Risk for the owning club and risk for the host club. Some kick on immediately and make impacts (ESR, Palmer, Brown) but that is the exception rather than the rule. Others grow into their new environment and provide a bit of value over time. Let’s just give this lad a chance to grow and develop. The main issue is that he just hasn't been given the playing time to show anything that contributes to his reputation.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 26, 2021 11:41:48 GMT 1
Once he touches the ball he'll be fine!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 26, 2021 12:10:27 GMT 1
Any loan deal involving a young kid is loaded with risk. Risk for the owning club and risk for the host club. Some kick on immediately and make impacts (ESR, Palmer, Brown) but that is the exception rather than the rule. Others grow into their new environment and provide a bit of value over time. Let’s just give this lad a chance to grow and develop. Tend to disagree, quality shines and you see signs of class - a touch, a pass, a run, a tackle - quite quickly even if only flashes. Raw talent has a trick, a turn of pace etc Chilwell, Kelly, drinkwater, brown, eiting, ESR, Palmer, Colville even chalobah and Willock you could it was there Eccleston, great pedigree but never looked better than what we had You can allow for project players like smith and bunn if you own them but loanees don’t have the luxury of time/ next season That’s not a dig at Mipo - it’s too early - but equally he’s put nothing on his highlight reel to date in a town shirt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 12:30:33 GMT 1
Any loan deal involving a young kid is loaded with risk. Risk for the owning club and risk for the host club. Some kick on immediately and make impacts (ESR, Palmer, Brown) but that is the exception rather than the rule. Others grow into their new environment and provide a bit of value over time. Let’s just give this lad a chance to grow and develop. Tend to disagree, quality shines and you see signs of class - a touch, a pass, a run, a tackle - quite quickly even if only flashes. Raw talent has a trick, a turn of pace etc Chilwell, Kelly, drinkwater, brown, eiting, ESR, Palmer, Colville even chalobah and Willock you could it was there Eccleston, great pedigree but never looked better than what we had You can allow for project players like smith and bunn if you own them but loanees don’t have the luxury of time/ next season That’s not a dig at Mipo - it’s too early - but equally he’s put nothing on his highlight reel to date in a town shirt Fair point!
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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 26, 2021 15:14:58 GMT 1
Once he touches the ball he'll be fine! Maybe see what he's like when given more time, ie from the start! If you watch him play he has made some good runs in behind the defence yet the majority of our team are incapable of making the pass. Ward barely touched the ball in 2/3 games and was hooked at half time yet Ward fanboys still love him. Most of the time it cannons off his foot.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 26, 2021 15:36:12 GMT 1
Tough to judge him until he starts getting some proper game time. Can't do the lads confidence much good sat on the bench watching the two worst strikers in the division aimlessly running around having zero affect in the final third game after game. If he can't get in ahead of Campbell or Ward we may aswell send him back.
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Post by frankslegs on Sept 26, 2021 16:46:40 GMT 1
Call Glenn Murray
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 26, 2021 22:32:56 GMT 1
Has he played more than 40 minutes of football since he has been here, at least play the lad an d give him a chance cant be worse than what we already have.
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