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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 6, 2021 7:00:54 GMT 1
I am correct on that, it's just true, not an opinion. Not being able to sit with your mates is not the same as being denied the chance to see the game. There were some games that were very "desirable" and anyone could guess which they were. Tickets were obviously at a premium. Most games, however, weren't over subscribed. The point of the scheme was there may be games that are more desirable again. If there are, consistent loyalty is rewarded. If there aren't, nothing lost. I wasn't able to go to every Premier away game that I wanted to, either. @i was lucky enough to go to places like Southampton, Newcastle, Brighton, Swansea, Watford, Bournemouth, Palace et al. None of which, amongst others, sold out. All the while I was earning loyalty points for future games. That's what Town were telling me. But now some have the opinion that any season ticket holder should get an equal opportunity to get a ticket for, say, Coventry away near the end of the season. I say that's bollocks. Can you not be content that you got a pint at Southampton, I enjoyed mine, or that you saw a great win at Watford, I missed that one, and maybe just accept we are not in PL anymore & we need to move on from what was pertinent then, but is now a total waste of fucking time & money? I'm sorry you are "content" with the lack of ambition signalled here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 8:36:19 GMT 1
Can you not be content that you got a pint at Southampton, I enjoyed mine, or that you saw a great win at Watford, I missed that one, and maybe just accept we are not in PL anymore & we need to move on from what was pertinent then, but is now a total waste of fucking time & money? I'm sorry you are "content" with the lack of ambition signalled here. Lack of ambition??? They are clearly doing what is financially prudent at the moment. Does your ambition include investing now assuming we had an imminent promotion to the PL??? Think Derby, Sheff Wed etc!!! |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Oct 6, 2021 8:47:50 GMT 1
Season ticket holders will get priority for any away tickets which is fair.
Should be 1 season ticket = 1 away ticket.
Then on general sale 1 person = 1 ticket none of this 4,5 or even 10 tickets per person.
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Post by conman on Oct 6, 2021 9:40:14 GMT 1
So all those sexual favours I’ve been giving were unnecessary 😞I feel violated now Receiving.. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 6, 2021 10:16:28 GMT 1
I'm sorry you are "content" with the lack of ambition signalled here. Lack of ambition??? They are clearly doing what is financially prudent at the moment. Does your ambition include investing now assuming we had an imminent promotion to the PL??? Think Derby, Sheff Wed etc!!! Wow,I didn't realise they were hamstring by their loyalty point schemes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 10:55:07 GMT 1
The problem with that system is you get the same folk going to away games all the time and younger/new fans rarely getting the chance because they can't amass enough points. But that's simply not true. Younger/new fans were able to get tickets for all but a few, very high profile, games. And it was only right that the "same folk" got the tickets for those games. You know, those "same folk" who have just been to Blackpool, Swansea, Luton etc. And (apart from Luton) any Younger/new fans would have been able to go to those games. Were there ANY games in the second PL season that it wasn't possible to buy a ticket to, irrespective of points? What are these high profile games that need some sort of fake priority queue for the 'better' supporters? |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 6, 2021 11:38:17 GMT 1
What are these high profile games that need some sort of fake priority queue for the 'better' supporters? You're spectacularly missing the point asking that question. I couldn't like to predict which away game it will become very difficult to get tickets for (TBF who would have thought Cheltenham away would require a beam-back). However I'd suggest that in the near(ish) future there WILL be a game that falls into that category... ....what the club are implying by this action is that they don't think there will be. Short-sighted and can be viewed as lacking ambition (IMHO). PS The suggestion that all season ticket holders are equally deserving of away tickets when in short supply just seems plainly, simply and obviously wrong to me. ....& not being able to sit together is a universe away from not being able to see the game at all and the points shouldn't be connected. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 16:27:34 GMT 1
Lack of ambition??? They are clearly doing what is financially prudent at the moment. Does your ambition include investing now assuming we had an imminent promotion to the PL??? Think Derby, Sheff Wed etc!!! Wow,I didn't realise they were hamstring by their loyalty point schemes. Forget Morris and the paying of a kings ransom to Rooney. What really tipped Derby over the edge was Keith from Bakewell getting an extra 10 loyalty points for going to Sheff Weds away on a Tuesday night. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 16:51:54 GMT 1
What are these high profile games that need some sort of fake priority queue for the 'better' supporters? You're spectacularly missing the point asking that question. I couldn't like to predict which away game it will become very difficult to get tickets for (TBF who would have thought Cheltenham away would require a beam-back). However I'd suggest that in the near(ish) future there WILL be a game that falls into that category... ....what the club are implying by this action is that they don't think there will be. Short-sighted and can be viewed as lacking ambition (IMHO). No I'm not missing the point. The people missing the point are those crying that there's a "need for a loyalty scheme, why are the club scrapping it". They've said they are continuing to accrue data against ticket sales etc against individual 'clients' - and WILL apply a loyalty scheme as and when and IF it becomes necessary (which obviously would be based in full or in part on that ticket sale data). All they've said is that they're not going to publish the 'score' in the meantime. Why do we need to know the score today, next week, December, or whenever?? You'd only ever be interested in knowing your score and where you stand in and around the immediate moment of such a game arising...who cares if today you're '300' or '50' or 'C' or 'Very Loyal' or whatever, it means nothing. Neither of these are points I've made, I guess you were responding to someone else - although I do broadly disagree with the point about equality of season ticket holders - as someone who has had a season ticket holder since we moved grounds barring 2 seasons (so around 25 years+ worth) (went regularly before then, but season tickets weren't really a thing to worry about when a fiver got you in to any game home or away). I certainly would feel more than happy to be lumped in with the rest of current season ticket holders (some of whom might be in their first season - although I suspect that number is very small!) and join the scrum via the phone / queue / online. BUT equally, if the club wanted to introduce some sort of tiering system in order to protect their sales channels stability (the only point I see about tiering is to reduce situations where thousands turn up at the ticket office, thousands call in, thousands by on-line, all at the same time (and sometimes via multiple channels at the same time - I've historically seen people queuing up whilst also dialling to the engaged ticket office) , and I benefited or lost out from that, I'd be happy with that too. But generally, I don't really see what relevance buying tickets to watch Town at home has got to do with pushing people up a priority to get tickets for away matches. |
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Post by cyberman on Oct 6, 2021 21:05:43 GMT 1
Well it tells me, & means, everything I could possibly want to hear & know, respectively, on the topic. So we draw Leeds away in 3rd round of the cup. Who gets a ticket Any daft sod who wants to sit in a sh#!thole of a ground - feel threatened as they walk to the ground - feel threatened whilst in the ground having probably paid £30 quid plus to be crammed into a corner - be held back after the game probably getting pissed wet through - and finally run the risk of being of being attacked as you leave the ground by a bunch of inbred Beestonites. Any takers ? |
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Post by softboy on Oct 6, 2021 21:18:25 GMT 1
The problem comes when we play Halifax (possibly) away in the FA Cup or a play off at the end of a season and we only have 1500 tickets. I appreciate that the club say they will "potentially" use history to allocate tickets but i'm not sure they would really, manually, go back thru all tickets sold this season to see who is based placed, in a fair manner, to attend these games.
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Post by King Curtis on Oct 6, 2021 21:25:17 GMT 1
It's not good. At least there was a system before that we all understood.
From a personal viewpoint, I'll be annoyed if season ticket holders now get priority over me.
I attend maybe 10 home games a season but more than that away - 15 or so.
The points system worked so I don't know why they've sacked it off. It rewarded season card holders with a ruck load of points but also allowed the likes of me to build them up by going to lots of away games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 0:02:55 GMT 1
It's not good. At least there was a system before that we all understood. From a personal viewpoint, I'll be annoyed if season ticket holders now get priority over me. I attend maybe 10 home games a season but more than that away - 15 or so. The points system worked so I don't know why they've sacked it off. It rewarded season card holders with a ruck load of points but also allowed the likes of me to build them up by going to lots of away games. Your example of going to more away games than home does not support the club financially like having a season card so it would be understandable for them to send you that message, but that what they are doing, ignore the fundermentals of your interpretation if you don't wish deal with reality. |
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Post by OneDarrenBullock on Oct 7, 2021 2:25:34 GMT 1
It's not good. At least there was a system before that we all understood. From a personal viewpoint, I'll be annoyed if season ticket holders now get priority over me. I attend maybe 10 home games a season but more than that away - 15 or so. The points system worked so I don't know why they've sacked it off. It rewarded season card holders with a ruck load of points but also allowed the likes of me to build them up by going to lots of away games. Your example of going to more away games than home does not support the club financially like having a season card so it would be understandable for them to send you that message, but that what they are doing, ignore the fundermentals of your interpretation if you don't wish deal with reality. "Fundermentals"  Fuck me Stevey boy, you were already up there on my list of worst contributors to this forum but I at least thought that as a business owner you would be able to present your ridiculous, specious reasoning in decent, legible English. For shame... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 8:16:14 GMT 1
Your example of going to more away games than home does not support the club financially like having a season card so it would be understandable for them to send you that message, but that what they are doing, ignore the fundermentals of your interpretation if you don't wish deal with reality. "Fundermentals" Fuck me Stevey boy, you were already up there on my list of worst contributors to this forum but I at least thought that as a business owner you would be able to present your ridiculous, specious reasoning in decent, legible English. For shame... Have you joined the spelling Police? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 11:25:47 GMT 1
So we draw Leeds away in 3rd round of the cup. Who gets a ticket Any daft sod who wants to sit in a sh#!thole of a ground - feel threatened as they walk to the ground - feel threatened whilst in the ground having probably paid £30 quid plus to be crammed into a corner - be held back after the game probably getting pissed wet through - and finally run the risk of being of being attacked as you leave the ground by a bunch of inbred Beestonites. Any takers ? Not sure you've been to Leeds for a while!! Last few times we've been housed along the side of the pitch (with not much leg room). Not sure I've felt threatened going there at all 'this century' (maybe it was a bit spicy around the cup game and the Alex Smithies game I suppose) - its very different to the late 80's! This includes travelling to the ground on the football special buses from near the arches, pre match beers at the very dodgy Waggon and Horses (might have changed name now I think I noticed when driving past on the motorway a couple of weeks back) on Elland Road as well as various town centre places...walking back to the station via some pretty grim estates. All felt pretty safe, no threat at all, plenty of chatter from reasonably minded fellow football fans. I guess its probably easy to find trouble if you want it though. Sheer numbers means there's always going to be some loonies. Likewise its very easy to avoid it, even when it has been kicking off outside the ground with horses everywhere. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 7, 2021 18:03:27 GMT 1
No I'm not missing the point. The people missing the point are those crying that there's a "need for a loyalty scheme, why are the club scrapping it". They've said they are continuing to accrue data against ticket sales etc against individual 'clients' - and WILL apply a loyalty scheme as and when and IF it becomes necessary (which obviously would be based in full or in part on that ticket sale data). All they've said is that they're not going to publish the 'score' in the meantime.
Have you read the club statement? The reason I ask is that you've attributed certainty in three areas when the statement is worded such that certainty shouldn't be implied. The only bit that is definitely true in the area I've quoted is that they will continue to record purchases. They don't say they WILL apply a loyalty scheme at all, they clearly state they may. The direct quote is "Order history may be deciding factor for high demand fixtures". They reinforce that point by the (presumably) carefully worded point later. "this will allow the Club to use individual booking histories as a potential deciding factor in the future when high demand fixtures call for it". I see no reason whatsoever why given that careful wording you use the phrase "obviously" in explaining what will happen in the future when it isn't obvious at all. The phrase "All they've said is that they're not going to publish the 'score' in the meantime" is particularly misleading. They're not only not going to publish the score but clearly the way that scores are calculated may change (& may not be used anyway). It's hard to avoid the conclusion you're just making things up. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 22:18:25 GMT 1
No I'm not missing the point. The people missing the point are those crying that there's a "need for a loyalty scheme, why are the club scrapping it". They've said they are continuing to accrue data against ticket sales etc against individual 'clients' - and WILL apply a loyalty scheme as and when and IF it becomes necessary (which obviously would be based in full or in part on that ticket sale data). All they've said is that they're not going to publish the 'score' in the meantime.
Have you read the club statement? The reason I ask is that you've attributed certainty in three areas when the statement is worded such that certainty shouldn't be implied. The only bit that is definitely true in the area I've quoted is that they will continue to record purchases. They don't say they WILL apply a loyalty scheme at all, they clearly state they may. The direct quote is "Order history may be deciding factor for high demand fixtures". They reinforce that point by the (presumably) carefully worded point later. "this will allow the Club to use individual booking histories as a potential deciding factor in the future when high demand fixtures call for it". I see no reason whatsoever why given that careful wording you use the phrase "obviously" in explaining what will happen in the future when it isn't obvious at all. The phrase "All they've said is that they're not going to publish the 'score' in the meantime" is particularly misleading. They're not only not going to publish the score but clearly the way that scores are calculated may change (& may not be used anyway). It's hard to avoid the conclusion you're just making things up. Yes I've read it, and yes I think that they're possibly going to calculate the scores differently in future - thats why I carefully referred to measures of " '50' or 'C' or 'Very Loyal', given 'C' and 'Very Loyal" which aren't previously attainable scores. Yes, I know they've written "may", which is why I had the emphasis on the 'if' in " as and when and IF it becomes necessary", and is equally why they use 'potential' - in that they MAY POTENTIALLY use order booking history (ie - a 'measure of loyalty based on historic purchases'), as and when they decide its necessary. I'm not making anything up. Hopefully if you re-read with the added context that will become obvious, no point discussing further as it will make no difference at all whether you or I can attend any games in the foreseeable future!! |
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Fuck me Stevey boy, you were already up there on my list of worst contributors to this forum but I at least thought that as a business owner you would be able to present your ridiculous, specious reasoning in decent, legible English. For shame...