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Post by 28901 on Dec 23, 2023 22:27:30 GMT 1
Sadly RL can only go so far. They're basically only allowed in if they behave.
Glennon knows. He only started slagging Fotheringham well after he'd been sacked.
But he knows.
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Post by Tiro on Dec 23, 2023 22:31:20 GMT 1
Show me a manger that doesn’t get soft balled?
Show me a journo who doesn’t soft ball their presser?
They wouldn’t be in a job long if they didn’t.
I thought RL and Katherine Hannah (in Oggies absence) did a decent job of pressing home questions about his ‘brand of football’ last time out.
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Dec 23, 2023 23:02:32 GMT 1
Oggy oggy oggy Oi Oi Oi
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Dec 23, 2023 23:05:17 GMT 1
Completely agree Paul Ogden doesn’t dare ask the questions the fans want to hear. Ok sick of him sugar coating everything and making every single team we play a giant Nathan Clarke would mad co commentator today and he didn’t dare say a bad word about Moore. Like he’s been told by the club to be positive Nathan Clarke works for the club in a hospitality role. If you started slating another dept of your employer on local radio you'd be having a meeting with HR on Monday morning, same goes for him. |
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Post by crux on Dec 23, 2023 23:21:04 GMT 1
Sadly RL can only go so far. They're basically only allowed in if they behave. Glennon knows. He only started slagging Fotheringham well after he'd been sacked. But he knows. Glennon has been slagging Moore off for weeks, sometimes unreservedly as well as when he has deserved it. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 23, 2023 23:28:00 GMT 1
Sadly RL can only go so far. They're basically only allowed in if they behave. Glennon knows. He only started slagging Fotheringham well after he'd been sacked. But he knows. Glennon has been slagging Moore off for weeks, sometimes unreservedly as well as when he has deserved it. Not really. He has but he is restrained in my opinion. He knows its a shitshow but doesn't quite say it. 6 |
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Post by willo on Dec 24, 2023 1:17:18 GMT 1
Glennon has been slagging Moore off for weeks, sometimes unreservedly as well as when he has deserved it. Not really. He has but he is restrained in my opinion. He knows its a shitshow but doesn't quite say it. 6 I think he’s gone as far as he feels he can. If he came on air and really said it how it is, he wouldn’t be allowed in the stadium on a match day as part of the RL commentary team. Although I’m not sure what RL were doing having Nathan Clarke in the commentary box today given his current role in the club. How can he be expected to say anything remotely controversial if the club are paying his wages? Stupid decision by RL today. |
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Post by wildhogg on Dec 24, 2023 1:45:44 GMT 1
I like Oggy, I think he's a really good commentator and brings the games to life. As others have mentioned, with interviews he's very limited by the nature of his employment in terms of how far he can delve.
The same goes for Glennon in terms of his in-match and post-match comments. You can sense that he's absolutely itching to say what he really thinks. He's right on the cusp of saying "This is utter dross, get rid" live on air.
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Post by willo on Dec 24, 2023 3:01:51 GMT 1
I like Oggy, I think he's a really good commentator and brings the games to life. As others have mentioned, with interviews he's very limited by the nature of his employment in terms of how far he can delve. The same goes for Glennon in terms of his in-match and post-match comments. You can sense that he's absolutely itching to say what he really thinks. He's right on the cusp of saying "This is utter dross, get rid" live on air. Absolutely. You want to know what Glennon really thinks, go get a haircut in his salon. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 24, 2023 9:41:41 GMT 1
I like Oggy, I think he's a really good commentator and brings the games to life. As others have mentioned, with interviews he's very limited by the nature of his employment in terms of how far he can delve. The same goes for Glennon in terms of his in-match and post-match comments. You can sense that he's absolutely itching to say what he really thinks. He's right on the cusp of saying "This is utter dross, get rid" live on air. Absolutely. You want to know what Glennon really thinks, go get a haircut in his salon. I'm not that bothered... |
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Post by cyberman on Dec 24, 2023 10:38:13 GMT 1
New Year resolution from RL - Paul - you have free license
Fast forward to 5.15pm on the 26th Decemeber 2016
Ogden "I am happy to announce that we have Towns manager here with us now - Hello Darren"
Moore "Hi there"
Ogden "Well another difficult result for Town - what were your thoughts at being 5 - 0 at half time ? - what was the dressing room like and what did you say to the players ?"
Moore "I thought we kept the game tight until the 2nd min when they scored. Then we were very unlucky with the 2 3 4th and 5th - its hard to comprehend why the players do not take the lessons from our excellent training sessions with them out into the game... out onto the grass...."
Ogden "Darren - a direct question that everyone wants to know - fans - myself and of course my excellent co commentator..."
Moore "Football is a team game - simple to play if you follow the guidance I am giving .....ermm...easy.....ermm
Ogden "Yes thank you for that ...but if I could just interrupt for one moment"
Moore "Basic concepts - we have the ball...we press ...cohesive unit going forward......ermmmm
Ogden "Darren a direct question if I may - WHY ARE YOU SUCH A SHIT MANAGER ?"
RL cuts to "Its Christmas" by Slade....
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Post by tyldesleyterrier on Dec 24, 2023 13:57:48 GMT 1
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 24, 2023 17:01:15 GMT 1
Local media should refuse to do pre and post match interviews of they are not allowed to ask honest questions. At this moment, the club need publicity via the media more than the media need the club. Fans take anything from the club media dept with a very large pinch of salt, even if that was the only to have access.
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Post by Justasmithers on Dec 24, 2023 19:32:24 GMT 1
Local media should refuse to do pre and post match interviews of they are not allowed to ask honest questions. At this moment, the club need publicity via the media more than the media need the club. Fans take anything from the club media dept with a very large pinch of salt, even if that was the only to have access. There are no limitations on questions local media can ask. No restrictions, no editing. In fact, one of the changes KN made was to have all post match carried live (when internet connections allow). Obviously everyone needs to be respectful and not abusive (goes without saying), but to be clear: no limitations. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 24, 2023 19:38:17 GMT 1
Local media should refuse to do pre and post match interviews of they are not allowed to ask honest questions. At this moment, the club need publicity via the media more than the media need the club. Fans take anything from the club media dept with a very large pinch of salt, even if that was the only to have access. There are no limitations on questions local media can ask. No restrictions, no editing. In fact, one of the changes KN made was to have all post match carried live (when internet connections allow). Obviously everyone needs to be respectful and not abusive (goes without saying), but to be clear: no limitations. The live pressers are all well and good but if you're not watching it live you have to fast forward it for 10/15 minutes before you get to the actual presser. Can they not edit that bit out once the live feed has finished? |
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Post by town1 on Dec 24, 2023 19:41:21 GMT 1
It is all well and good being able to ask questions without limitations but we never get a straight answer anyway.
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Post by Justasmithers on Dec 24, 2023 19:55:53 GMT 1
There are no limitations on questions local media can ask. No restrictions, no editing. In fact, one of the changes KN made was to have all post match carried live (when internet connections allow). Obviously everyone needs to be respectful and not abusive (goes without saying), but to be clear: no limitations. The live pressers are all well and good but if you're not watching it live you have to fast forward it for 10/15 minutes before you get to the actual presser. Can they not edit that bit out once the live feed has finished? As a matter of fact they can. The problem (I believe) is they would have to go in and edit into a completely new post on YouTube, losing the live chat and comments. Might be confusing. But maybe a note at the top of the description (fast forward to X on the timeline)? |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 24, 2023 20:11:18 GMT 1
The live pressers are all well and good but if you're not watching it live you have to fast forward it for 10/15 minutes before you get to the actual presser. Can they not edit that bit out once the live feed has finished? As a matter of fact they can. The problem (I believe) is they would have to go in and edit into a completely new post on YouTube, losing the live chat and comments. Might be confusing. But maybe a note at the top of the description (fast forward to X on the timeline)? Surely the sponsors at the start (PC Specialist is it?) would have something to say about that |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 24, 2023 20:45:21 GMT 1
Local media should refuse to do pre and post match interviews of they are not allowed to ask honest questions. At this moment, the club need publicity via the media more than the media need the club. Fans take anything from the club media dept with a very large pinch of salt, even if that was the only to have access. There are no limitations on questions local media can ask. No restrictions, no editing. In fact, one of the changes KN made was to have all post match carried live (when internet connections allow). Obviously everyone needs to be respectful and not abusive (goes without saying), but to be clear: no limitations. In the past local radio and newspapers have been refused free access to football clubs when they asked pertinent questions. I am not aware of this happening with Town but you just don't know. I believe that it would be self destructive if any football club did this as the lack of coverage would hurt the club more that it did the media in question. Afterall the media will just makeup stories that will be more damaging to the club. |
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Post by Justasmithers on Dec 24, 2023 21:14:25 GMT 1
There are no limitations on questions local media can ask. No restrictions, no editing. In fact, one of the changes KN made was to have all post match carried live (when internet connections allow). Obviously everyone needs to be respectful and not abusive (goes without saying), but to be clear: no limitations. In the past local radio and newspapers have been refused free access to football clubs when they asked pertinent questions. I am not aware of this happening with Town but you just don't know. I believe that it would be self destructive if any football club did this as the lack of coverage would hurt the club more that it did the media in question. Afterall the media will just makeup stories that will be more damaging to the club. Yeah that wouldn’t happen here. Limiting press access in a sporting environment would basically take an assault or something insane. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 26, 2023 19:19:45 GMT 1
No limits, yet when DM says that Saturday’s defeat was down to personal errors, no mention made by the spineless one about the goals arising today from opposition errors.
Even though all post match callers were positive in their comments, none were mentioned to DM. RL should end their programme immediately after the game, and just broadcast the official interview next day. They serve no purpose.
This takes nothing away from an exceptional(by our standards) performance
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 26, 2023 20:03:21 GMT 1
There’s an awful lot of naivety here, and even ill will. BBC reporting needs to try and be balanced, not just representative of one vocal faction of pissed off fans asking our loaded questions.
Moreover, mainstream TV and radio reporters rarely probe deeply, they don’t want risk becoming the story.
I know I’ll get slated, but in 50+ years of following Town I’ve never enjoyed a better commentary than from Oggy and Glennon. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be, entertainment, not investigative, forensic investigation of a shite performance.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 26, 2023 20:15:42 GMT 1
There’s an awful lot of naivety here, and even ill will. BBC reporting needs to try and be balanced, not just representative of one vocal faction of pissed off fans asking our loaded questions. Moreover, mainstream TV and radio reporters rarely probe deeply, they don’t want risk becoming the story. I know I’ll get slated, but in 50+ years of following Town I’ve never enjoyed a better commentary than from Oggy and Glennon. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be, entertainment, not investigative, forensic investigation of a shite performance. They're bloody awful. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 26, 2023 20:53:11 GMT 1
There’s an awful lot of naivety here, and even ill will. BBC reporting needs to try and be balanced, not just representative of one vocal faction of pissed off fans asking our loaded questions. Moreover, mainstream TV and radio reporters rarely probe deeply, they don’t want risk becoming the story. I know I’ll get slated, but in 50+ years of following Town I’ve never enjoyed a better commentary than from Oggy and Glennon. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be, entertainment, not investigative, forensic investigation of a shite performance. They're bloody awful. I don't agree. Listen to other local commentaries and you will see. Ogden is even being praised on Blackburn message board today in their match thread. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 26, 2023 21:17:51 GMT 1
I don't agree. Listen to other local commentaries and you will see. Ogden is even being praised on Blackburn message board today in their match thread. I've no interest, reason or way to listen to other local commentaries but they must be shite if they make Ogden sound good. I don't bother listening these days cos I can't do with them. |
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Post by crux on Dec 26, 2023 22:02:18 GMT 1
I don't agree. Listen to other local commentaries and you will see. Ogden is even being praised on Blackburn message board today in their match thread. I've no interest, reason or way to listen to other local commentaries but they must be shite if they make Ogden sound good. I don't bother listening these days cos I can't do with them. The Norwich one last week was awful! |
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 27, 2023 0:10:05 GMT 1
The Bristol commentators actually stopped commentary when Town were attacking.
Ogden is streets ahead of most others in his field.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Dec 27, 2023 2:06:56 GMT 1
There’s an awful lot of naivety here, and even ill will. BBC reporting needs to try and be balanced, not just representative of one vocal faction of pissed off fans asking our loaded questions. Moreover, mainstream TV and radio reporters rarely probe deeply, they don’t want risk becoming the story. I know I’ll get slated, but in 50+ years of following Town I’ve never enjoyed a better commentary than from Oggy and Glennon. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be, entertainment, not investigative, forensic investigation of a shite performance. They're bloody awful. They're really not. Listen to some of the other local commentary on our away games and then you'll appreciate just how good RL coverage is. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 27, 2023 10:51:51 GMT 1
Most oppo commentary teams are partisan, irritating and give us fuck all attention/credit. Ogden can be a bit bumbly/flowery/waffly, and you don’t get the clearest picture of what’s happening on the pitch, but he’s professional and I like the way he talks around what’s happening on the pitch.
Also his commentary the season we got promoted was epic - GOAL HUDDERSFIELD TOWN.
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Post by Wingman on Dec 27, 2023 11:48:14 GMT 1
When you watch games on ifollow, you hear how imbalanced and biased some commentators are, verging on hysterical when their teams aren’t in the lead, presumably due to the lack of respect they have for other teams and in some cases for Town. Some clubs commentators have been fair, for example Miwaw seemed to be a few weeks ago.
Oggy could push harder with his questioning but his commentary is pretty good in my humble opinion; we would miss it if we had some sycophant in his place on an alternative media outlet.
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