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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 29, 2022 23:57:16 GMT 1
Just some observations.. Sorba is a luxury, was last season, will be again. He points at his man for somebody else to pick up, he never wins a 50/50 or a header and he switches off more than any player I have ever seen at Town. Ffs leave him up the pitch. Russell was blowing hard at 40 minutes, thats the same issue he had last season. Its no good saying he had o Brien running for him, a lad that age has to be able to at least run hard for 90. Holmes and Koroma are so lightweight they lost out tonight to two lads smaller than them. The ball does not stick with them and they do not win enough challenges, if they are ever close enough to where the ball is in the first place. We failed to have any threat at all for 60 minutes thereby allowing Burnley to push their full backs on, their holding midfielder and consequently always having at least one forward pass on, often 2. Tino comes on and changes that? We have to be more proactive and forward thinking and playing, often Burnleys best moves were simply down to numbers around the ball to win it and nunbers moving forward near the bloke with the ball. All too often our man on the ball was very much on his own and those closing down were easily bypassed due to one simple forward ball to an unmarked burnley player dropping in. Overall, no threat for too long allowing Burnley to push on and a lack of simple graft to support each other. We only lost by a goal, probably down to Lees covering and the subbing of holmes and koroma, damage limitation at home.  Who was the lad smaller than Holmes?? Number 24, snow white would know his name. Puts it in though and plays like a bloke of at least 5ft 8ins. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 29, 2022 23:58:27 GMT 1
Schofields comments- The new lads did well but it always takes a bit of time to get to understand the way we want to play football. He could have tried playing them in a team with the rest of what should be the starting 11 in the friendlies and they may have had some idea.For the love of God please do not try to coach that dogshit football we witnessed in the first half into them. I can see any ability in those new lads being coached straight out of them due to some arrogant belief in the football we try to play. I don't think that we coached them to plat that way. We were unfit had not played together in the friendlies they did not have the constant coaching for CC drilling them and making them play how they should do. It was our first game but it was such a bad performance how do we pick this up. Another game this bad and we will need a new head coach one who can blame it all the previous incumbent and we can reset. It would have to be someone with some experience and brave, probably not a cheap alternative either. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 30, 2022 0:00:41 GMT 1
What game was DS watching? If he thought we gave it a good go in the second half, we’re not going anywhere. Rudi and Tino changed it for about 10 mins, but we still created little.
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Post by harris on Jul 30, 2022 0:02:04 GMT 1
Who was the lad smaller than Holmes?? Number 24, snow white would know his name. Puts it in though and plays like a bloke of at least 5ft 8ins. Funnily enough I’ve just said 24 was outstanding on another thread, POTY as an early prediction |
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Jul 30, 2022 0:03:35 GMT 1
Reminded me of Michael Collins’ first home game as our manager. Big game against Barnsley and we didn’t have a shot on target.
Colwill, Toffolo, O’Brien gone and Danny Schofield as manager, some of the reasons for my 20th place prediction for Town this season.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 30, 2022 0:03:48 GMT 1
Tonight was best summed up for me in the 23rd or so minute Burnley had a corner which was cleared. Sorba chased the ball down the pitch and there were FIVE Burnley players who had bust a gut to sprint back from our box to defend their box Behind that the town players were ambling forward. This was barely 20 mins in so I’m not having they were tired It will all be there in the replay for them to watch. If I as schofield I would show that to the players and ask them why they lacked the same basic “desire” as the Burnley players. They can’t answer that because they didn’t show the desire on the night. Specific reference to our “attackers” Sorba needs to be up the pitch when we clear corners. He wont mark properly and will never win a header. His threat to win a game is not his defensive work rate or his aerial ability. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 30, 2022 0:05:50 GMT 1
Shite..
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 30, 2022 0:06:48 GMT 1
I’ll read back over this thread with a bit more time, to see what will probably be overreactions from some.
First game of a long season, first half was rubbish, second half a little better, but we didn’t get the drop of the balls after many challenges and didn’t get any sort of momentum.
Can’t grumble about the result, but will still wait until we’re a few games in before passing judgment on these players. We were a bit out of shape tonight, hopefully they’ve plenty to work on in training now…
Burnley did get the run of the ball, but they also had a much better shape than us, which seemed to give them that extra few yards of space.
UTT!!!
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Post by dsr on Jul 30, 2022 0:14:35 GMT 1
Linington has been wank for us over the years but tonight, I dont see what he did wrong, apart from not give Burnley a stonewall pen Or giving them a free kick for offside 15 yards into our half 🤔 It's a new rule introduced in 2016. to be offside, you have to be in the opponent's half when the ball is kicked, but the offence of offside isn't committed until you get involved in the play. so a man stood two yards into the opposition half when the ball is kicked can potentially be offside; when he runs 15 yards into his own half to win a header, he is actually offside and that's where the kick is taken from. I agree it's a pointless rule change. www.facebook.com/theifab/posts/changes-in-law-11-offside-halfway-line-is-considered-neutral-for-offside-ie-a-pl/595919533909537/ |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 30, 2022 0:16:58 GMT 1
Reminded me of Michael Collins’ first home game as our manager. Big game against Barnsley and we didn’t have a shot on target. Colwill, Toffolo, O’Brien gone and Danny Schofield as manager, some of the reasons for my 20th place prediction for Town this season. You have the emotional intelligence of a slug. |
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jul 30, 2022 0:19:09 GMT 1
so you can be offside in your own half ? He wasnt though... hence you are clutching at straws you have your opinion i have mine the ref was shit |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 30, 2022 0:20:06 GMT 1
So disappointing but not unexpected. We were shite at Bolton & we were shite tonight. We are a very under-cooked, unfit team who went on that pitch with the sole intention of not conceding & hoping for a breakaway or set piece. I tell you now, it is highly unlikely we will score as many set piece goals as last year.
We couldn't play more than 4 passes per ball possession but that was sideways, sideways, sideways, back to Nicholls, hoof up front for Burnley to take possession again. We need to improve quickly, play the best players, whether they have been here 2 weeks or not, get fit & start to play like the coach's words in the press conference - we were far too negative & passive & if Burnley had had their shooting boots on & Nicholls was't in goal, we would have been 4 down at half time.
I fear for our ability to move the ball from back to front, we will hugely miss the Toff-LOB left hand side combination that made us so many yards last season. Tino &, to a lesser extent, Rudoni improved us for a short while, which must have shocked Burnley to the core to realise we might have some players who wanted to move forwards with the ball, but once they overcame the initial shock, they easily regained control of the game. Russell & Sorba were awful, I hope that was a reality check for them &, somewhat more predictably, Koroma & Holmes were just incredibly in-effective.
It is very early days, obviously, but we have to make a big number of changes to compete - we don't know how good Burnley are, I expect they will turn out to be a top team in this division, but we may just have made them look like a top team. The big concern is where the goals are going to come from, 0 shots on target against anyone at home is an awful stat, but let's hope we can improve asap, we certainly need to.
Final point, no need for panic just yet but we were miles from where we want/need to be right now.
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Post by ldr on Jul 30, 2022 0:28:33 GMT 1
Reminded me of Michael Collins’ first home game as our manager. Big game against Barnsley and we didn’t have a shot on target. Colwill, Toffolo, O’Brien gone and Danny Schofield as manager, some of the reasons for my 20th place prediction for Town this season. Bilo, read the fucking room… |
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Post by wigster on Jul 30, 2022 0:40:57 GMT 1
inexperienced manager screws up and loses first game shocker. But surely Danny Schofield KNOWS all about the likes of Holmes and Korona and Ruffels etc ? He KNOWS how limited Ward is (did you see the contribution Barnes made ?). He KNOWS how we played pre-season etc etc I could go on, but it was Kompany who only met some of his players a fortnight ago, literally. It was Danny who seemingly didn't organise proper fitness training (Hoggy, Russell, Thomas, Ruffels were blowing out of their arses). It was Danny S who apparently approved the one half each for several teams friendlies etc etc. I'm not getting at Danny S honestly (what could anyone do with half that team tonight?) but it really was a shambles. I listened to Schofield's interview tonight and you'd have though we were excellent in the second half ..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 0:45:03 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class
Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him
REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard.
Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles
Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad
Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow
Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy
Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him
Koroma - 0.5 less said the better
Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight.
Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates
Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game
Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time.
Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better.
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Post by willo on Jul 30, 2022 0:50:13 GMT 1
Goals win games and that team tonight was badly lacking in that department but there is time left in this window to address the situation should we choose to do so. We definitely need someone who knows where the net is, possibly two, or give Rhodes a run of games to see if he can rediscover his previous prolific goal scoring form. We were totally abject in the first half tonight, marginally better in the second.
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Post by wigster on Jul 30, 2022 0:51:04 GMT 1
Sorba wasn’t happy when Kasumu went off - shrugged his shoulders and shook his head to Ward and then covered his mouth and said something Did you see little Holmes's show of pique when he went to sit down after being subbed ? Discipline problems already ? |
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 30, 2022 1:13:14 GMT 1
certain players wasn't fit enough to wear the shirt tonight, holmes and koroma awful players, couldn't be arse, midfield was too wide, hogg and Russell both need to look at themselves in the mirror shocking, Thomas dreadful Mr Big bollcoks thinks he is in the world cup when he won't get it, pathetic performance by him, no tracking back or owt felt sorry for turton and REG needs to keep the eye on the ball rather than waiting for the ball to get to him, hey ho 45 games to go utt
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Post by cheesecake on Jul 30, 2022 1:17:22 GMT 1
Team who lost in playoff year before never has a good season after - the aim is to stay up Cheers Dean |
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Post by Galpharmer on Jul 30, 2022 1:20:09 GMT 1
What game was DS watching? If he thought we gave it a good go in the second half, we’re not going anywhere. Rudi and Tino changed it for about 10 mins, but we still created little. Burnley had a couple of attacks in the second half where they could have scored twice, at least, in the same attack. |
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 30, 2022 1:21:30 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Presumably Holmes was so bad he doesn't even warrant a mention. |
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Post by wigster on Jul 30, 2022 1:33:43 GMT 1
When they showed the Burnley goal again a few mins ago, anyone else notice Russell just ambling back watching their attack, making no attempt to get involved in any defending? Pathetic I didn't notice it, no. So I played my Sky recording (I'd travelled miles to actually be at the match) and you are 100% right. Russell had plenty of time to be involved in the defending of that move but he didn't - as you say he just ambled around, almost disinterestedly. WoodyHudds earlier said that certain players - Holmes, Russell, Thomas -look as though football/Town owe them a living. I think that sums it up perfectly. Oh, for a Warnock, Buxton, Greaves tonight... |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 30, 2022 2:03:01 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Knew they were playing with one extra player than us. Knew it. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 30, 2022 2:21:30 GMT 1
When they showed the Burnley goal again a few mins ago, anyone else notice Russell just ambling back watching their attack, making no attempt to get involved in any defending? Pathetic Don’t just look at Russell, Holmes loses the ball near the halfway, he stops running and keeps walking forwards even though the ball is going rapidly the other way. Sorba loses his player, runs back and eventually gives up and walks. Ward stands in between our midfield and Holmes doing nothing. As said, Russell is passed by, doesn’t track his runner. Ball is now in the box, Hogg walks back and then stands still on the edge of the box. Back 4 left with 5 players to mark. Felt sorry for Lees, got fouled from behind by Brownhill and ended up on the deck, then Nichols was left unsighted by Brownhill being in an offside position. |
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 30, 2022 2:31:22 GMT 1
My opinion, Ruffels is not our starter at all. We was shite but he isn't anywhere this level IMO of course
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 30, 2022 2:58:33 GMT 1
So where does Pearson fit in? Him and Lees are brilliant together. Koroma is right footed but plays the left. Championship quality, shouldn't matter what side a CB plays. Full backs yes, centre halves not so Tell me you've never played football without telling me you've never played football. 😁😁 |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 30, 2022 3:34:20 GMT 1
Looking back at last year we were awful at the start got lucky against an equally poor Preston then a couple of battling displays and we took off
Still time but we gotta got shots away
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Post by boooothy on Jul 30, 2022 5:34:42 GMT 1
I left Wembley upset but not too bothered we weren’t doing a season at the bottom of the Premier League.
However when i saw the team tonight the reality hit. That game was our one shot and Jon Moss screwed us for years to come.
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Post by nuggett22 on Jul 30, 2022 6:26:13 GMT 1
We came third best in that game , absolutely awful . Pre season was woeful and the players looked out of touch with their passing .
and everything else.
Highlight in the first was the young steward trying to find the ball that had disappeared under the covered advertising seating . Yes, it was that bad.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 30, 2022 6:39:52 GMT 1
Hard to find positives from that performance but I did like his substitutions. Stevie Wonder could’ve seen we needed to make those changes. How did Schofield give them another 10 minutes to waste in the 2nd half. |
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