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Post by menstonterrier on Jul 30, 2022 6:47:03 GMT 1
Linington has been wank for us over the years but tonight, I dont see what he did wrong, apart from not give Burnley a stonewall pen well the fact he gave them a free kick for offside and let them take it in our half for one. Unless you can be offside in your own half now 🤷♂️ he was gash That was the correct decision. The free kick is given where the player, coming back from offside, receives the ball. |
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Post by terrierbite on Jul 30, 2022 6:47:42 GMT 1
Schofield looked lost. The succession planning angle is complete bollocks. He’s an inexperienced, limited coach who is trying to hide behind formations. Pick your strongest side and keep it simple. You aren’t Carlos. That starting 11 was a joke Yes Danny Schofield s body language was really poor ,whether trying to look unruffled or not he really looked uncomfortable ,the whole lack of a proper pre season schedule was plain to see ,we didn’t look fit whereas Burnley looked super fit and more importantly organised |
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Post by alexdire on Jul 30, 2022 6:52:14 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Hogg 6, was he even on the pitch? Totally ineffectual, massively off the pace and couldn't get close to any of their players. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 30, 2022 7:32:54 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground.
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Post by mrg1 on Jul 30, 2022 7:41:51 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground. Yea, koroma has probably lost it since his bad injury, combined with all that's gone on at the club. Good technical coaches or absolute warriors are needed at this level in the dugout. It's early but town need to sort the back 4 and the midfield and attack options pretty quickly. Koroma and Holmes were bit part players last year under a great coach. What chances DW back by the end of October? |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 30, 2022 7:49:08 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground. Yea, koroma has probably lost it since his bad injury, combined with all that's gone on at the club. Good technical coaches or absolute warriors are needed at this level in the dugout. It's early but town need to sort the back 4 and the midfield and attack options pretty quickly. Koroma and Holmes were bit part players last year under a great coach. What chances DW back by the end of October? This did cross my mind not a moment ago. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 30, 2022 7:57:45 GMT 1
Tell me you've never played football without telling me you've never played football. 😁😁 REG wasn’t the problem like I said earlier… |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 30, 2022 7:59:52 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground. First half sadly yes. Second half an improvement but youd have to be an ecstatic clapper to be positive overall. Just dont see where goals are coming from. |
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Post by buckers on Jul 30, 2022 8:00:35 GMT 1
Not sold on this formation at all. The full backs needed more support the midfield was non existent. It all looked so disjointed, no fluidity. It’s early days so let’s see, but I’m not a fan of it.
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Post by stanton1969 on Jul 30, 2022 8:20:46 GMT 1
Abysmal. Linnington a useless c**t as usual. Gonna be a long season by the looks of it, sadly.
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Post by ronaldinio on Jul 30, 2022 8:26:40 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Hogg 6, was he even on the pitch? Totally ineffectual, massively off the pace and couldn't get close to any of their players. Hmmmmmm … spent the morning reading this thread as sometimes reflection clarifies the mind but even me (very half full) is totally full of despair at the performance, the starting line up, the opposition hunger but more so the scapegoat position DS finds himself in. As a club we probably were not planning for a shock departure (purely down to the clubs lack of ambition) from CC and of course the “steadying the ship” statement the club repeats is that DS was in line such an occasion arise but wow, the chasm last night was vast. Scoring players is hard and players will read or hear about forums and feel the pain but: before St Andrew’s I’d want to hear DS acknowledge where we went wrong, where Burnley got it so right and what is needed and expected from all our players moving forward (plus address clear fitness concerns) as 20k crowd plus large ish Sky audience saw us look very average and unfortunately not bothered. One game in - we can only and have to - get better. UTT |
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Post by 28901 on Jul 30, 2022 8:27:08 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground. It really was that bad. The 5 minute spell when Anjorin came on has probably sowed false hope. Burnley soon recovered and played the game out more than comfortably. 0 5 would have been a true reflection. |
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Post by H7 on Jul 30, 2022 8:30:08 GMT 1
inexperienced manager screws up and loses first game shocker. But surely Danny Schofield KNOWS all about the likes of Holmes and Korona and Ruffels etc ? He KNOWS how limited Ward is (did you see the contribution Barnes made ?). He KNOWS how we played pre-season etc etc I could go on, but it was Kompany who only met some of his players a fortnight ago, literally. It was Danny who seemingly didn't organise proper fitness training (Hoggy, Russell, Thomas, Ruffels were blowing out of their arses). It was Danny S who apparently approved the one half each for several teams friendlies etc etc. I'm not getting at Danny S honestly (what could anyone do with half that team tonight?) but it really was a shambles. I listened to Schofield's interview tonight and you'd have though we were excellent in the second half ..... CC knew all about Ruffels, Holmes, Koroma etc and that’s why he walked because he was told we’re selling LOB and Toff and you’ve now got these guys to work with good luck! |
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Post by nuro on Jul 30, 2022 8:33:26 GMT 1
It was a crap performance but Burnley are a very good side for this level. The first half they looked like a premier league team apart from the finishing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 8:39:54 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Presumably Holmes was so bad he doesn't even warrant a mention. Having slept on it these marks seem too high, yes Holmes would be a 1 he tried to press the first 15 then just gave up too. |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 30, 2022 8:42:22 GMT 1
You can see why schofield tried to keep some continuity from last season given the very short turn around since we last played. Ruffels deserved a chance, as did REG and the new players have had a short pre season to integrate.
We had no idea how Burnley would play or set up and looked surprised they were pressing us high up the pitch.
First half was atrocious. We had Koroma, Ward, Holmes and Thomas playing very high and a massive gap in the middle of the pitch. Burnley have some good technical players in midfield and they controlled the game.
We made changes at half time and it was slightly better. We were only a decent set piece away from drawing the game. Something we relied upon a lot last season.
What’s worrying is that we have apparently replaced O’Brien. O’Brien is not good in the final third but what he brings is someone who can receive the ball off the defence, turn and drive up field. No one did that once yesterday and Hogg/Russell are not the players to do it.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 30, 2022 8:43:48 GMT 1
I didn't attend last night due to being away but was it really that bad and is anyone really that surprised it was so bad? The limitations of the squad have been there for a while, last season papered over the cracks, CC managed to find a way to get the results but it came at the expense of entertainment. When I saw the starting line up I was a bit mystified to see no new signings starting, why so? If they aren't good enough yo start why the hell are they here? The Thomas and Koroma performances do not surprised me one bit, one is over rated and the other has totally gone to pieces. The Holmes one does as he usually gets stuck in and works hard as a minimum. Clearly work to be done on the training ground. It really was that bad. The 5 minute spell when Anjorin came on has probably sowed false hope. Burnley soon recovered and played the game out more than comfortably. 0 5 would have been a true reflection. Said to my mate afterwards, that was the biggest 1-0 thumping I’ve seen and was worse than Fulham defeat last season, and that’s a worry as we were missing key players due to Covid last season. Got to say though , Burnley were magnificent apart from putting it in the net. |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 30, 2022 8:44:59 GMT 1
It was a crap performance but Burnley are a very good side for this level. The first half they looked like a premier league team apart from the finishing. They have made £50m+ from selling players and invested by buying players in the £1-3m bracket. Those players will be very good at this level. Basically the ideal plan for any relegated team. |
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 30, 2022 8:46:14 GMT 1
Biggest problem is midfield. We haven’t got one. I’d send Russell back to the B team to learn that just standing around and posing doesn’t make a professional footballer. Don’t have many options given Kasumu’s hammy (MK fans warned he was permanently injured) and High sent out on loan. I would probably go 4-3-3 with Hogg sitting and Anjorin and Rudoni.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 30, 2022 8:49:14 GMT 1
It really was that bad. The 5 minute spell when Anjorin came on has probably sowed false hope. Burnley soon recovered and played the game out more than comfortably. 0 5 would have been a true reflection. Said to my mate afterwards, that was the biggest 1-0 thumping I’ve seen and was worse than Fulham defeat last season, and that’s a worry as we were missing key players due to Covid last season. Got to say though , Burnley were magnificent apart from putting it in the net. And we had Schofield in goal, who let's be honest, was nowhere near ready. I'm far more concerned than I was after that match. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 30, 2022 8:49:46 GMT 1
My opinion, Ruffels is not our starter at all. We was shite but he isn't anywhere this level IMO of course looked way off it didn't he. There was a brief spell last season where he was deservedly ahead of Toffolo. He can definitely show more than he did yesterday, he needs to show it starting with the next game. Nakayama and Jackson should keep him honest |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 30, 2022 8:59:06 GMT 1
Schofield looked lost. The succession planning angle is complete bollocks. He’s an inexperienced, limited coach who is trying to hide behind formations. Pick your strongest side and keep it simple. You aren’t Carlos. That starting 11 was a joke Yes Danny Schofield s body language was really poor ,whether trying to look unruffled or not he really looked uncomfortable ,the whole lack of a proper pre season schedule was plain to see ,we didn’t look fit whereas Burnley looked super fit and more importantly organised Kompany was in Schofield's technical area a lot last night and he never said a word to him about it, never told him to fook off back inside his own. Maybe he was overawed but he just looked lost and perhaps wondering how he'd ended up with the job. |
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Post by mrg1 on Jul 30, 2022 9:03:17 GMT 1
The thing about picking out young players in defence and saying they aren't up to it imho isn't the focus. Ruffles is 19/20 and just starting his career. Whether he goes on to have a decent one or not he and REG don't need singling out. Id definitely play a Japanese international at LB instead of him for now but he deserves chances to get up to the level of the mens game.
The real issue of course is midfield. Town are now completely relaint on tino and rudiani coming good rapid fire and they are attacking mids who will lots of technical coaching to bridge the gaps in between the back and the middle. Koromas hammys and possibly confidence are gone and Rhodes needs to start. But then the problem is town dont have 2 players for every position any more.
One day the chairman is going to need to look in the mirror and face the fact that no matter what he has to say about money and loans, he created this. It's his response ability that is going to sort this out. And im prepared to give time time but DS is a coach by the looks and not a head coach or manager.
Quick turnaround, emotional hangover, buying good but not necessarily direct replacements, losing coaches and fitness look like issues and by the end of October we'll nearly be a quarter of the way through the campaign.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 30, 2022 9:04:26 GMT 1
The thing about picking out young players in defence and saying they aren't up to it imho isn't the focus. Ruffles is 19/20 and just starting his career. Whether he goes on to have a decent one or not he and REG don't need singling out. Id definitely play a Japanese international at LB instead of him for now but he deserves chances to get up to the level of the mens game. The real issue of course is midfield. Town are now completely relaint on tino and rudiani coming good rapid fire and they are attacking mids who will lots of technical coaching to bridge the gaps in between the back and the middle. Koromas hammys and possibly confidence are gone and Rhodes needs to start. But then the problem is town dont have 2 players for every position any more. One day the chairman is going to need to look in the mirror and face the fact that no matter what he has to say about money and loans, he created this. It's his response ability that is going to sort this out. And im prepared to give time time but DS is a coach by the looks and not a head coach or manager. Quick turnaround, emotional hangover, buying good but not necessarily direct replacements, losing coaches and fitness look like issues and by the end of October we'll nearly be a quarter of the way through the campaign. Ruffles is 28! |
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Post by Uddersfield on Jul 30, 2022 9:06:20 GMT 1
No sugarcoating that.. it was absolutely woeful.
Yuta will need to start LB I think. Shows how much you can stretch the pitch with 2 quality full backs which both Roberts and Taylor are. Ours were so negative and too narrow which kept us on the backfoot for 90 mins.
We’ve lost some big personalities in that dressing room with Toffs, Sarr and O’Brien etc. seems like we haven’t really replaced that at the moment.
On the plus side - I don’t think we’ll ever see that starting XI again.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 30, 2022 9:08:42 GMT 1
100% koroma needs to sit his contract out in the reserves. He is Diakhaby level bad. Give Danny Grant a shot. As I said before, our entire left side was league 2/conference standard. Ruffels and Koroma may aswell have been in marbella. A
Thomas was awful too so we therefore had zero creativity down the wing.
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Post by H7 on Jul 30, 2022 9:08:43 GMT 1
The thing about picking out young players in defence and saying they aren't up to it imho isn't the focus. Ruffles is 19/20 and just starting his career. Whether he goes on to have a decent one or not he and REG don't need singling out. Id definitely play a Japanese international at LB instead of him for now but he deserves chances to get up to the level of the mens game. The real issue of course is midfield. Town are now completely relaint on tino and rudiani coming good rapid fire and they are attacking mids who will lots of technical coaching to bridge the gaps in between the back and the middle. Koromas hammys and possibly confidence are gone and Rhodes needs to start. But then the problem is town dont have 2 players for every position any more. One day the chairman is going to need to look in the mirror and face the fact that no matter what he has to say about money and loans, he created this. It's his response ability that is going to sort this out. And im prepared to give time time but DS is a coach by the looks and not a head coach or manager. Quick turnaround, emotional hangover, buying good but not necessarily direct replacements, losing coaches and fitness look like issues and by the end of October we'll nearly be a quarter of the way through the campaign. I agree with a lot of what you say but just FYI Ruffels is 28. He is a league one pro and should be no where near our starting XI. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 30, 2022 9:09:15 GMT 1
The club employ for the first team Schofield and Chico (likely two more coaches to come) plus 4 physical coaches - why did we look unfit in comparison to Burnley then? 5 in the medical team - no idea what they all do! 5 analysts - can anyone tell me a shape or style of play or even any signs of cohesion between the players. What do these guys do for 4 weeks of preseason You’d think at a bare minimum we’d be fit, have a basic shape and something resembling a pattern of play www.htafc.com/matches/technical-staff/The club also employ a further 10 coaches in the B team www.htafc.com/academy/b-team-staff/That’s approaching 30 people involved in coaching, fitness and analysis. Yet we looked like a non league team last night relying on set pieces for any threat (which never beat the front man anyway!) |
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 30, 2022 9:23:15 GMT 1
The club employ for the first team Schofield and Chico (likely two more coaches to come) plus 4 physical coaches - why did we look unfit in comparison to Burnley then? 5 in the medical team - no idea what they all do! 5 analysts - can anyone tell me a shape or style of play or even any signs of cohesion between the players. What do these guys do for 4 weeks of preseason You’d think at a bare minimum we’d be fit, have a basic shape and something resembling a pattern of play www.htafc.com/matches/technical-staff/The club also employ a further 10 coaches in the B team www.htafc.com/academy/b-team-staff/That’s approaching 30 people involved in coaching, fitness and analysts. Yet we looked like a non league team last night relying on set pieces for any threat (which never beat the front man anyway!) That’s more than we have players in our first team squad. |
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Post by loumacari on Jul 30, 2022 9:24:43 GMT 1
Schofields comments- The new lads did well but it always takes a bit of time to get to understand the way we want to play football. For the love of God please do not try to coach that dogshit football we witnessed in the first half into them. I can see any ability in those new lads being coached straight out of them due to some arrogant belief in the football we try to play. It takes a hell of a lot longer if you squander pre-season by spitting your squad up and not letting your first 11 play together. Madness. |
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