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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:13:50 GMT 1
Players were shit the last few games and got rightly criticised. Fans have been shit the last few games and deserve to get criticised right back. Less than two weeks into the new season and all the good work from last season has been forgotten. Id be pissed off as a player too. They earn money most of us could only dream of so the least we expect is some effort. Zero from him so far this season. If that is how you feel, if, for you, it is just a one way street, why on earth do you bother. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:15:13 GMT 1
Jordan, Hoggy, Tom, wardy are about the only ones not playing for a move. Your performance can get you a contract extension only in all probability. The rest are playing for future careers, here or elsewhere. Sorba is certainly in that camp, Koroma, Holmes likewise.. Like every younger worker you are looking for promotion or more money, responsibility, influence etc. You have to hope they get sensible advice. Jordan has no personal apology to make for last night, for effort alone he was MOTM for us.. Two decent passes inside the centre backs and two finishes. He challenged for the few balls put near enough to him. He didnt stop running. Tbf, Rhodesy won just about every high ball in the first half, especially, shame the dwarf was always 20 yards behind him when he did. I'd put him JUST behind Camara for MoM Why? Just why? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 11, 2022 9:21:51 GMT 1
Tbf, Rhodesy won just about every high ball in the first half, especially, shame the dwarf was always 20 yards behind him when he did. I'd put him JUST behind Camara for MoM Why? Just why? Cos he's fucking tiny 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:28:38 GMT 1
Cos he's fucking tiny 🙄 So you have to get a 'dwarf' jibe in? Grow up man. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 11, 2022 9:31:11 GMT 1
Cos he's fucking tiny 🙄 So you have to get a 'dwarf' jibe in? Grow up man. Go forth and multiply, you sanctimonious sod |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 11, 2022 10:39:26 GMT 1
TBF Porroh, your constant derision of Holmes is pretty tiresome.
I realise that waiting until now to say it when he is in such dreadful form isn't the best timing on my part, but even when he was playing well last season you gave him pelters.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 11, 2022 10:55:53 GMT 1
TBF Porroh, your constant derision of Holmes is pretty tiresome. I realise that waiting until now to say it when he is in such dreadful form isn't the best timing on my part, but even when he was playing well last season you gave him pelters. I like Holmes as a sub. He also has had decent games when the team plays well. He will be highly unlikely ever to be MOTM or close on our less better days as a team. No personal insults, just how I see him after watching so many games. Maybe as just a fan I dont have any right or qualification to express that view.? In his defence from the other night he was, Im led to believe, playing as a second striker(No10) but as nobody in midfield was ever up the pitch behind him he did have to drop deep quite a lot to cover or to try and recieve a pass, leaving Jordan high and dry, a lot. |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 11, 2022 10:56:27 GMT 1
Its the way things are today, even what most would consider mild insults are deemed offensive to many, a few years ago Peter Crouch and Ian Ormonroyd got 'Lanky steak of piss' regularly, but a jibe about someones height isnt over the top, theres much worse, im not particularly tall at 5'7ish, my mates brother occasionally points it out to me, i just call him a speccy four eyed bald prick.  |
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Post by mosher on Aug 11, 2022 11:22:15 GMT 1
Cos he's fucking tiny 🙄 So you have to get a 'dwarf' jibe in? Grow up man. He's taller than me and I'm not offended by the small man jokes. Sometimes I wish it was still the 70s and 80s when people didn't get offended so easily. Especially on other people's behalf. I have a friend who hates the PC around his short stature; when people call him a short person he tells them he's a dwarf (he's got Robinow Dwarfism Syndrome). Although he DOES hate the term midget. Maybe those without dwarfism in their medical description for their short stature feel differently, but he ALWAYS says he's a dwarf, not a "little person" or "short person". He's worked with Warwick Davis (a while ago he was signed up to his agency) and says he also never seemed to get offended by the term dwarf, although that may have changed since he knew him. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 11, 2022 11:24:35 GMT 1
TBF Porroh, your constant derision of Holmes is pretty tiresome. I realise that waiting until now to say it when he is in such dreadful form isn't the best timing on my part, but even when he was playing well last season you gave him pelters. I like Holmes as a sub. He also has had decent games when the team plays well. He will be highly unlikely ever to be MOTM or close on our less better days as a team. No personal insults, just how I see him after watching so many games. Maybe as just a fan I dont have any right or qualification to express that view.? In his defence from the other night he was, Im led to believe, playing as a second striker(No10) but as nobody in midfield was ever up the pitch behind him he did have to drop deep quite a lot to cover or to try and recieve a pass, leaving Jordan high and dry, a lot. You have every right to express a view, and he's arguably the worst of a bad bunch at the moment imo. I just believe in giving credit where it's due. He played an important part in last season's success. Not a world-beater but a very useful squad member. Constructive criticism, fine - and fuck me, Holmes's contribution do far this season can certainly be criticized! I just prefer it to be done fairly and I don't think it is. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Aug 11, 2022 11:26:04 GMT 1
Sorba put an Instagram story up proclaiming he was hacked yesterday and messages from him 'weren't him'
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 11, 2022 11:35:57 GMT 1
TBF Porroh, your constant derision of Holmes is pretty tiresome. I realise that waiting until now to say it when he is in such dreadful form isn't the best timing on my part, but even when he was playing well last season you gave him pelters. He is pretty shite to be fair. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 11, 2022 11:38:12 GMT 1
I like Holmes as a sub. He also has had decent games when the team plays well. He will be highly unlikely ever to be MOTM or close on our less better days as a team. No personal insults, just how I see him after watching so many games. Maybe as just a fan I dont have any right or qualification to express that view.? In his defence from the other night he was, Im led to believe, playing as a second striker(No10) but as nobody in midfield was ever up the pitch behind him he did have to drop deep quite a lot to cover or to try and recieve a pass, leaving Jordan high and dry, a lot. You have every right to express a view, and he's arguably the worst of a bad bunch at the moment imo. I just believe in giving credit where it's due. He played an important part in last season's success. Not a world-beater but a very useful squad member. Constructive criticism, fine - and fuck me, Holmes's contribution do far this season can certainly be criticized! I just prefer it to be done fairly and I don't think it is. Seasoned pro in a team with kids and first full appearances for a few, its his duty to lead and to show the way. Jordan lead the way, nobody much followed. He cant live on last seasons team accomplishments, none of them still here can. Im highly suspect of Sorba and his use to us on difficult days, which may be magnified as we struggle to get going. Koroma has lost his way or just does not want to be here. Lees needs Pearson or Sarr, we have neither at this time. Russell wasnt quick but is undeniably slower this season?? The problems are obvious but the plus is we lost both league games by just one goal, so im hopeful that Schofield will pick the brum second half team and stick with it for some continuity to at least start. Pearson back with lees, Rudoni and Anjorin to get going and better use of Sorba as a front man, not a wing back and lets see.? |
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Post by bentley316 on Aug 11, 2022 11:50:33 GMT 1
Id sooner have a player showing passion like Sorba does on and off the pitch than players hiding and being a bit meek.
Thats why ive got time for Holmes, like him or not he always looks as if he cares.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 11, 2022 11:57:14 GMT 1
Id sooner have a player showing passion like Sorba does on and off the pitch than players hiding and being a bit meek. Thats why ive got time for Holmes, like him or not he always looks as if he cares. His 'passion' against Burnley at one down was to kick out after being pulled back? No other signs of 'passion', no tracking back tackles or winning 50/50s?  Smoke and mirrors 'passion' or care, fools nobody, or not enough and it does not win games. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 12:12:16 GMT 1
TBF Porroh, your constant derision of Holmes is pretty tiresome. I realise that waiting until now to say it when he is in such dreadful form isn't the best timing on my part, but even when he was playing well last season you gave him pelters. I like Holmes as a sub. He also has had decent games when the team plays well. He will be highly unlikely ever to be MOTM or close on our less better days as a team. No personal insults, just how I see him after watching so many games. Maybe as just a fan I dont have any right or qualification to express that view.? In his defence from the other night he was, Im led to believe, playing as a second striker(No10) but as nobody in midfield was ever up the pitch behind him he did have to drop deep quite a lot to cover or to try and recieve a pass, leaving Jordan high and dry, a lot. It has nothing to do with how he plays. If you think he is poor then fine, say so, it's needing to name call, it makes it personal and unpleasant. Criticism is one thing but that is just not necessary. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 11, 2022 12:56:47 GMT 1
Eh, fans owe players absolutely nothing. They earn money most of us could only dream of so the least we expect is some effort. Zero from him so far this season. If that is how you feel, if, for you, it is just a one way street, why on earth do you bother. Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 11, 2022 13:14:30 GMT 1
If that is how you feel, if, for you, it is just a one way street, why on earth do you bother. Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? Don't you know that the owner of the restaurant is a god and everything he dose is incredible, by the way it is your taste that is at fault not the food. How rude of you to complain don't you know how much money he has throw away on employing the rubbish chefs he employed previously, so he now has to serve cheap food so that he can get all of his money back! |
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Post by mrg on Aug 11, 2022 13:16:17 GMT 1
If that is how you feel, if, for you, it is just a one way street, why on earth do you bother. Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? I think what they are driving at Em is a bit of support and slack wouldn't go a miss. I know it's difficult, it was always going to be with how DH thinks and makes Decisions on a year by year instead of inside a 3 to 5 strategy. Get behind them on Saturday and see if they respond. Football is an emotional game, it's literally energy in motion. I get the restaurant example, I think August is about getting as behind the lads as possible in the hope they've been doing everything to catchup after the poor decisions over the last few weeks. Rudiani and Tino have had a lot cast on their young shoulders. They deserve support. Hopefully the senior players are pushing everyone to their limits this week and the gaffer might be throwing his weight around as well, cos if he isn't town are in trouble. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 11, 2022 13:27:19 GMT 1
Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? I think what they are driving at Em is a bit of support and slack wouldn't go a miss. I know it's difficult, it was always going to be with how DH thinks and makes Decisions on a year by year instead of inside a 3 to 5 strategy. Get behind them on Saturday and see if they respond. Football is an emotional game, it's literally energy in motion. I get the restaurant example, I think August is about getting as behind the lads as possible in the hope they've been doing everything to catchup after the poor decisions over the last few weeks. Rudiani and Tino have had a lot cast on their young shoulders. They deserve support. Hopefully the senior players are pushing everyone to their limits this week and the gaffer might be throwing his weight around as well, cos if he isn't town are in trouble. I'll be there Saturday with my daughter hoping for a turn aroundà |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 14:03:06 GMT 1
If that is how you feel, if, for you, it is just a one way street, why on earth do you bother. Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? We went to Devour in Thongsbridge a few months back. For a while they stopped doing pizzas because of staff issues but they were back on. Two of us ordered pizzas and the waitress told us it was the pizza chefs first night. Pizzas were OK but not as good as they used to be. We gave some feedback to the waitress and paid the bill. Didn't complain because we understood the situation. My lad went there a couple of weeks back and said the pizza was really good. The issues we had now seem to be resolved. This is how I see our role. OK we are not happy but I'm sure DS and the players aren't either. As another poster said, just keep supporting and cut them some slack while it gets sorted. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 11, 2022 14:14:36 GMT 1
Go on then, explain what the fans 'owe' players? You know, the ones who pay to watch them kick a bag of air around a pitch and get paid ridiculous salaries for. What do we owe them players when they turn up to do said job we have paid to watch and put in minimal effort? Negativity breeds negativity and if its negative on the pitch it will be negative off it. That's not the fault of the fans who have simply paid to watch a product, that's the fault of those who have promised entertainment and not delivered. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't up to standard you make your concerns known to the chef. How is this any different? We went to Devour in Thongsbridge a few months back. For a while they stopped doing pizzas because of staff issues but they were back on. Two of us ordered pizzas and the waitress told us it was the pizza chefs first night. Pizzas were OK but not as good as they used to be. We gave some feedback to the waitress and paid the bill. Didn't complain because we understood the situation. My lad went there a couple of weeks back and said the pizza was really good. The issues we had now seem to be resolved. This is how I see our role. OK we are not happy but I'm sure DS and the players aren't either. As another poster said, just keep supporting and cut them some slack while it gets sorted. Sorry but I genuinely don't see the situation improving on the pitch. The quality in players and management isn't there for me. I will support and sit in hope something magically improves but you can't convince me that Ruffels, Boyle and Koroma are going to suddenly become championship level players. I would also add that the pizza isn't 'ok' it's like someone took the recipe that made everything quality and then source cheaper ingredients to cut costs in the hope it will taste the same. It tastes terrible. |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 11, 2022 14:41:53 GMT 1
If there was ever a phrase that irks its 'we go again', its along similar lines to American sports fans with...Go broncos, cowboys, eagles, jets etc etc.  Well, yes. Me too. For the point I was making I specifically went for a bland response being blown up out of all proportion. Hence the deliberate choice of a bland cliche. Yeah its ok, i know you just used the term to help make a point. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 11, 2022 15:10:43 GMT 1
You have every right to express a view, and he's arguably the worst of a bad bunch at the moment imo. I just believe in giving credit where it's due. He played an important part in last season's success. Not a world-beater but a very useful squad member. Constructive criticism, fine - and fuck me, Holmes's contribution do far this season can certainly be criticized! I just prefer it to be done fairly and I don't think it is. Seasoned pro in a team with kids and first full appearances for a few, its his duty to lead and to show the way. Jordan lead the way, nobody much followed. He cant live on last seasons team accomplishments, none of them still here can. Im highly suspect of Sorba and his use to us on difficult days, which may be magnified as we struggle to get going. Koroma has lost his way or just does not want to be here. Lees needs Pearson or Sarr, we have neither at this time. Russell wasnt quick but is undeniably slower this season?? The problems are obvious but the plus is we lost both league games by just one goal, so im hopeful that Schofield will pick the brum second half team and stick with it for some continuity to at least start. Pearson back with lees, Rudoni and Anjorin to get going and better use of Sorba as a front man, not a wing back and lets see.? Re your first line. Holmes was lucky to stay on against Birmingham after smashing that lad at 100mph and I thought he could've got sent off on Tuesday too when he over ran the ball and went into the lad that cleared it, studs up and well above the ankle. |
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Post by bobrobterrier on Aug 11, 2022 16:05:45 GMT 1
Surely the post Re Sorba gets deleted. An accusation with ZERO evidence and already escalating and getting out of hand. Just wrong.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 11, 2022 16:16:11 GMT 1
Surely the post Re Sorba gets deleted. An accusation with ZERO evidence and already escalating and getting out of hand. Just wrong. Need to delete the quoted replies as well overtonterrierspirit |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 11, 2022 16:22:52 GMT 1
Surely the post Re Sorba gets deleted. An accusation with ZERO evidence and already escalating and getting out of hand. Just wrong. Need to delete the quoted replies as well overtonterrierspiritI’ve messaged fellow Admins. Be dealt with asap. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 11, 2022 17:37:30 GMT 1
If it's false rumour and the originator of it is identified, then they want banning from the club for life.
If it's true, then that is the last fucking thing we need right now.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 11, 2022 18:10:09 GMT 1
Ok. I am going to go back and delete the copied posts
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