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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Sept 4, 2022 11:40:05 GMT 1
I have said before that the main problem with VAR imo is that it takes away that moment of euphoria when you score a goal. You just can’t do that anymore when it is present. The thing that makes football unique compared to any other aspect of your life.
So even if decisions were correct it’s still ruins football.
The fact that the decisions are wrong/corrupt should mean that every football fan in the country should be railing against it. I honestly can’t believe how any Town fan can defend it even if it’s the usual “it’s not VAR it’s the officials behind it that are the problem” bollocks.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 4, 2022 11:47:22 GMT 1
Just reading the BBC sport page this morning about a day of controversy in the Premier League over VAR. There's obviously nothing that will change what happened to us but, typically, a few top teams get some questionable outcomes and the media machine suddenly comes to life. Tony Pulis made a very good point that VAR isn't necessarily the issue but it is the competence of those responsible for it's operation. It is however galling that a couple of "top teams" get a bad/debatable call and the issue is suddenly a top focus. We get two dreadful calls, which you could argue cost us relatively far more, and it is a footnote. This is one reason our club needs to aim higher and get away from this "little Huddersfield"/"moment in time" mentatality. I completely appreciate that getting an outcome changed is realistically impossible but those responsible for these decisions should be held to account. If individuals are seen to be below the standard required they should be removed, appreciating that Moss was going any way. Just because a high profile manager like Moyes makes a fuss shouldn't mean it should get more attention. Equally the media should be focusing on all poor/questionable outcomes in order that those responsible are put under proper professional scrutiny. Hopefully something will happen to get these decisions right, or, to eliminate the need for VAR in some cases and leave the decision to the on field referee. As I say nothing wasn't going to change our situation but it should be referred to as an example of where the system isn't working. Moreover the impact of not getting those decisions right can be massive for any club. Look where we are now, get a penalty and back into the game and the outcome could have been very different. Pulis is very wrong. VAR very much is the issue. Get rid of it. Its ruining the game.
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Post by jasrick on Sept 4, 2022 11:52:19 GMT 1
Some of the decisions yesterday were beyond bad. The level of incompetence is ridiculous. West Ham's goal should never have been ruled out. End of. Terrible decision. Mendy is a fucking soft piece of shit if he was genuinely so badly hurt. Newcastle's goal being ruled out is borderline criminal, especially as apparently the ref wasn't given all relevant angles by VAR including the main 1 showing the clear shove by the defender (ironically the ref got the decision right first time, and had he been given all the angles you'd hope he'd have stuck with his original decision and given the goal). Villa's goal that was ruled out may not have been a goal anyway had the flag not gone up as some Man City players did stop when they heard the whistle, but at the same time, they get told to keep their flag down until the end of a move unless a player is clearly offside, yet on this occasion he put his flag up early, the ref blew early, yet he wasn't even close to being offside! The standard of officiating (and not just in the PL) has absolutely plummeted in recent years. Having current refs in charge of VAR isn't helping either, as they're worse than incompetent regardless of whether they're on the pitch or in a room. The main debate over the Villa disallowed goal has been missed by all the pundits and stevie G in so much as he couldn't have been offside as the ball was played BACKWORDS. Misconception that one. You can still be offside from a ball that is played backwards. Usually if the ball goes backwards the player receiving the pass will be behind the player making the pass, which isn’t offside and I believe why this misconception has arisen.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 4, 2022 11:53:42 GMT 1
The problem is that VAR is here to stay unfortunately, at least in the upper levels. I can guarantee that if it was introduced to all levels that would finish my interest in going to games, and I’d be far from being the only one.
The powers that be and the driving forces behind VAR just don’t seem to understand that probably 99% of people that go to games would happily never hear of VAR ever again.
It’s a failure. They can tinker with it all they like but this microscopic interrogation of each and every little incident is not what football should be about. It’s all that’s being talked about today. Get rid…..but of course they won’t.
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Post by yorik on Sept 4, 2022 11:57:55 GMT 1
The West ham disallowed goal by var a total disgrace either these officials are getting paid off or they are totally incompetent and should be sacked
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Post by Champers on Sept 4, 2022 12:29:05 GMT 1
I’ve completely lost any faith that VAR can work in football tbh. There’s far too many variables to come to a decision. Goal line technology & offsides only for me. VAR/similar technology can work in other sports where a decision is black and white. Football is all about interpretation. How many times have you seen pundits all have different views on a decision? If the powers that be insist on carrying on with VAR then big changes need to be made in how it’s used. Offside is the first thing I would do away with tbh, certainly unless they can find a better way of implementing the technology as this red and blue line thing is absolute horseshit right now. Disallowing goals because 3/16ths of an inch of an attacker's collarbone is supposedly offside is just mental. If there was a clear benefit of the doubt for the attacker then I might relax my view on it, but as it stands I think it is comfortably the worst and most suspicious aspect of VAR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 13:29:54 GMT 1
VAR is shit,thought this was established some time ago
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 4, 2022 14:08:27 GMT 1
VAR is shit,thought this was established some time ago But it’s getting worse. Yesterday should force an enquiry it was that bad. It’s either complete incompetence or bent. I think a bit of both
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Post by isleofmanterrier on Sept 4, 2022 14:16:07 GMT 1
I’ve completely lost any faith that VAR can work in football tbh. There’s far too many variables to come to a decision. Goal line technology & offsides only for me. VAR/similar technology can work in other sports where a decision is black and white. Football is all about interpretation. How many times have you seen pundits all have different views on a decision? If the powers that be insist on carrying on with VAR then big changes need to be made in how it’s used. Offside is the first thing I would do away with tbh, certainly unless they can find a better way of implementing the technology as this red and blue line thing is absolute horseshit right now. Disallowing goals because 3/16ths of an inch of an attacker's collarbone is supposedly offside is just mental. If there was a clear benefit of the doubt for the attacker then I might relax my view on it, but as it stands I think it is comfortably the worst and most suspicious aspect of VAR. I get what you’re saying but once they set the parameters for what distance is offside (they slightly increased them this season) at least that decision isn’t opinion and can’t be argued against.
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Post by sonny on Sept 4, 2022 14:33:44 GMT 1
Amidst the VAR antics yesterday Michael Oliver's decision to dismiss the VAR query and stick with his decision to award (surprise, surprise) Forest a penalty was as daft as anything else. Not surprising he should apparently be the first to do this. The old adage that a good ref is one you don't notice is long forgotten. It is an age of celebrity refereeing where the requirement is to see something other mere mortals wouldn't. And the same goes for those manning VAR. It is why Moss did what he did.
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Post by henryc on Sept 4, 2022 15:00:35 GMT 1
Caught the back end of a piece just now on SSPN, saying that there’s two reviews of decisions from yesterday. What the fuck does this mean? Surely they can’t change anything retrospectively. There was some poor decisions yesterday but I’ve seen worse since it was introduced.
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Post by yorik on Sept 4, 2022 15:13:11 GMT 1
VAR a joke again in Brighton game great Goal ruled out
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 4, 2022 16:53:05 GMT 1
Offside is the first thing I would do away with tbh, certainly unless they can find a better way of implementing the technology as this red and blue line thing is absolute horseshit right now. Disallowing goals because 3/16ths of an inch of an attacker's collarbone is supposedly offside is just mental. If there was a clear benefit of the doubt for the attacker then I might relax my view on it, but as it stands I think it is comfortably the worst and most suspicious aspect of VAR. I get what you’re saying but once they set the parameters for what distance is offside (they slightly increased them this season) at least that decision isn’t opinion and can’t be argued against. Goal line technology 😂😂
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Post by Larry David on Sept 4, 2022 18:08:14 GMT 1
These humans rely too much on technology and forget how to referee without it. You don't need bleeding hawk eye to see the ball hit the net.
Just get in with bringing in robots to officiate and be done with it.
Or get rid of the technology and go back to how it worked for 100 years maybe.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 4, 2022 18:20:40 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't.
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Post by nuro on Sept 4, 2022 18:33:14 GMT 1
The Newcastle one yesterday was so similar to ours in the play off final where they didn't show the correct angle to the referee.
Just a shocking decision all round. The only thing I think VAR should be for is offsides, everything else just leave to the refs.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 4, 2022 18:45:34 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do.
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Post by impact on Sept 4, 2022 18:47:43 GMT 1
Some of the decisions yesterday were beyond bad. The level of incompetence is ridiculous. West Ham's goal should never have been ruled out. End of. Terrible decision. Mendy is a fucking soft piece of shit if he was genuinely so badly hurt. Newcastle's goal being ruled out is borderline criminal, especially as apparently the ref wasn't given all relevant angles by VAR including the main 1 showing the clear shove by the defender (ironically the ref got the decision right first time, and had he been given all the angles you'd hope he'd have stuck with his original decision and given the goal). Villa's goal that was ruled out may not have been a goal anyway had the flag not gone up as some Man City players did stop when they heard the whistle, but at the same time, they get told to keep their flag down until the end of a move unless a player is clearly offside, yet on this occasion he put his flag up early, the ref blew early, yet he wasn't even close to being offside! The standard of officiating (and not just in the PL) has absolutely plummeted in recent years. Having current refs in charge of VAR isn't helping either, as they're worse than incompetent regardless of whether they're on the pitch or in a room. The main debate over the Villa disallowed goal has been missed by all the pundits and stevie G in so much as he couldn't have been offside as the ball was played BACKWORDS. The direction that the ball is played does not matter for offside. You can be offside collecting a ball that is played backwards.
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 4, 2022 18:48:30 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do. It’s a foot over the line. The system failed and the ref and lino didn’t have the balls to over turn it
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Sept 4, 2022 18:50:56 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324So they are reviewing dodgy decisions in bog standard run of the mill league games but weren’t interested in the most valuable game in the world back in May. Twats.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 4, 2022 19:02:07 GMT 1
Caught the back end of a piece just now on SSPN, saying that there’s two reviews of decisions from yesterday. What the fuck does this mean? Surely they can’t change anything retrospectively. There was some poor decisions yesterday but I’ve seen worse since it was introduced. Exactly, they could give Van Dyke a 3 match ban but they can't give Everton the 4 points VAR has cost them this week, the 3 points it cost Newcastle or the point it cost West Ham
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 4, 2022 19:03:23 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 4, 2022 19:06:17 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do. You're having a laugh it was over and everyone at that end of the ground saw it.
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 4, 2022 19:09:04 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do. Don't talk out of your arse, it was a goal and we were robbed.
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Post by Champers on Sept 4, 2022 19:11:04 GMT 1
If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do. Haha I'll bet my bollocks you don't get a reply to that 🤣
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 4, 2022 19:15:31 GMT 1
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Post by ldr on Sept 4, 2022 19:19:13 GMT 1
Imagine if Blackpool had scored when they broke with our players still celebrating in the corner or chasing the ref!
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Post by football on Sept 4, 2022 19:19:38 GMT 1
Look at Blackpool's 21's reaction he knows
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 4, 2022 19:47:33 GMT 1
Haha I'll bet my bollocks you don't get a reply to that 🤣 Don't think its as clear-cut as its made out at all. It potentially goes fully over the line when its at his stomach level, but look at this video, when the ball is near his legs, which looks to be the point shown on all the other stills, its definitely NOT fully over the line. Enjoy the operation 🍒
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Post by Champers on Sept 4, 2022 19:48:48 GMT 1
Haha I'll bet my bollocks you don't get a reply to that 🤣 Don't think its as clear-cut as its made out at all. It potentially goes fully over the line when its at his stomach level, but look at this video, when the ball is near his legs, which looks to be the point shown on all the other stills, its definitely NOT fully over the line. Enjoy the operation 🍒 With the greatest respect, shut up you fucking blind melon.
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