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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 4, 2022 20:19:51 GMT 1
Clearly a wum, must not bite
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 4, 2022 21:23:26 GMT 1
Here's another view. Clearly behind the post. It was a goal.
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Post by Champers on Sept 4, 2022 22:05:02 GMT 1
Here's another view. Clearly behind the post. It was a goal. If he'd got any further behind his line we would have probably had to charge him for a ticket
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Post by bogart on Sept 4, 2022 22:15:13 GMT 1
Not exactly sure how the technology works. Maybe whatever monitors the ball needs to see daylight on both sides. If the goalies arm is still on the ball it recognises that some of the ball is over the line but not all of it.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 4, 2022 22:26:29 GMT 1
Blackpool manager Michael Appleton:
"I've not looked back at it and I've done that purposely, but I've been told it was potentially over the line and that's not great from their point of view.
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 4, 2022 22:34:16 GMT 1
Blackpool manager Michael Appleton: "I've not looked back at it and I've done that purposely, but I've been told it was potentially over the line and that's not great from their point of view. At least he's being honest, I suppose.
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Post by softboy on Sept 4, 2022 22:54:41 GMT 1
you can look at Sky orBT Sports but the FACT remains the ball did not cross the line. If it had a goal would have been given
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Post by Merseyterrier on Sept 4, 2022 23:11:02 GMT 1
you can look at Sky orBT Sports but the FACT remains the ball did not cross the line. If it had a goal would have been given Sorry disagree.. Bigger things to worry about, like players in the right positions, defined method of play and basic attitude on the pitch…lacking all over the pitch today. Could be that the ball did cross the line but the technology didn’t detect it, the officials weren’t in position to give it and therefore decided not to award the goal. If it hadn’t crossed the line (it did) and they gave a goal, they’d be hammered for it. Technology at the match not 100% reliable (also Villa v Sheff U). Bin it off and let’s go back to the old system….we still wouldn’t have got the goal awarded then either……..neither did Clive Allen
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 4, 2022 23:45:48 GMT 1
Here's another view. Clearly behind the post. It was a goal. If he'd got any further behind his line we would have probably had to charge him for a ticket The problem is that none of this evidence, n such as this picture, definitively shows the ball in its entirety behind the line. All the ball has to be over the line. That simply can not be seen in this shot, no matter what we”d like to be the case. There will be footage from the goal line cameras, only that will give us the true story, to me it looks like one of those where you think it’s an obvious goal, and they do the 3D rotation and demonstrate there’s a couple of mm of ball overhanging the line. Shame, cos an equaliser could really have changed the game, although we deserved nothing overall.
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Post by Champers on Sept 5, 2022 0:19:32 GMT 1
If he'd got any further behind his line we would have probably had to charge him for a ticket The problem is that none of this evidence, n such as this picture, definitively shows the ball in its entirety behind the line. All the ball has to be over the line. That simply can not be seen in this shot, no matter what we”d like to be the case. There will be footage from the goal line cameras, only that will give us the true story, to me it looks like one of those where you think it’s an obvious goal, and they do the 3D rotation and demonstrate there’s a couple of mm of ball overhanging the line. Shame, cos an equaliser could really have changed the game, although we deserved nothing overall. Just stop you absolute moron. When a picture shows CLEAR daylight between the ball and the post then there is absolutely ZERO chance that the ball hasn't crossed the line. Honestly, how fucking thick can one person be?
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 0:28:38 GMT 1
The problem is that none of this evidence, n such as this picture, definitively shows the ball in its entirety behind the line. All the ball has to be over the line. That simply can not be seen in this shot, no matter what we”d like to be the case. There will be footage from the goal line cameras, only that will give us the true story, to me it looks like one of those where you think it’s an obvious goal, and they do the 3D rotation and demonstrate there’s a couple of mm of ball overhanging the line. Shame, cos an equaliser could really have changed the game, although we deserved nothing overall. Just stop you absolute moron. When a picture shows CLEAR daylight between the ball and the post then there is absolutely ZERO chance that the ball hasn't crossed the line. Honestly, how fucking thick can one person be? Ignore the post and look at the line on the pitch, and you’ll recognise that the viewing angles being shared can’t tell us one way or another if it was a goal. And stop being an aggressive twat just because someone puts out an alternative viewpoint, no need for it at all, totally dilutes any opinion you might have.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 5, 2022 0:29:56 GMT 1
Strange.
Before the game, a bloke who sits on our row went to chat to the Ref. Just watching yesterday’s Chelsea game on MOTD ( and the weekends most controversial VAR incident) I now realise that it is Andrew Madley!
As I’ve said hello to him loads of times without realising who he is, I might ask him to explain what happened to us today.
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Post by fightinthedog on Sept 5, 2022 8:37:15 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 5, 2022 8:55:27 GMT 1
The fact they haven't released that computerised image they normally show for goal line incidents tells me they know its a goal and they've Fd up
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2022 9:27:38 GMT 1
Just reading the BBC sport page this morning about a day of controversy in the Premier League over VAR. There's obviously nothing that will change what happened to us but, typically, a few top teams get some questionable outcomes and the media machine suddenly comes to life. Tony Pulis made a very good point that VAR isn't necessarily the issue but it is the competence of those responsible for it's operation. It is however galling that a couple of "top teams" get a bad/debatable call and the issue is suddenly a top focus. We get two dreadful calls, which you could argue cost us relatively far more, and it is a footnote. This is one reason our club needs to aim higher and get away from this "little Huddersfield"/"moment in time" mentatality. I completely appreciate that getting an outcome changed is realistically impossible but those responsible for these decisions should be held to account. If individuals are seen to be below the standard required they should be removed, appreciating that Moss was going any way. Just because a high profile manager like Moyes makes a fuss shouldn't mean it should get more attention. Equally the media should be focusing on all poor/questionable outcomes in order that those responsible are put under proper professional scrutiny. Hopefully something will happen to get these decisions right, or, to eliminate the need for VAR in some cases and leave the decision to the on field referee. As I say nothing wasn't going to change our situation but it should be referred to as an example of where the system isn't working. Moreover the impact of not getting those decisions right can be massive for any club. Look where we are now, get a penalty and back into the game and the outcome could have been very different. Not sure what we can do about how we are regarded in the game, other than by spending a considerable amount of time in the top flight and chalking up the odd cup final along the way. Dont think how we as a club see ourselves makes any difference to how the national media sees us. As for VAR, its ruining football. The officials arent competent enough to use it properly with the result it just makes them look utterly ridiculous on a weekly basis and it continues to kill that moment of ecstasy and joy football fans have always had when their team scores a goal. A huge part of the enjoyment and point of being a football fan gone. Scoring a goal now is effectively like being awarded a penalty thanks to VAR... you have a presumption that you will score.. but whilst you might give a cheer, you can't really celebrate until its been confirmed a minute or two later. Think Burnley fans were saying on social media after their opening day win at ours that whilst the result was great.. what was really good was that when they scored, they KNEW they had scored. Some idiot in a booth 300 miles away wasnt going to find some obscure reason to disallow it because someones toe was offside. Just scrap VAR. If our sides need to have it in European or international football then do that, but in our domestic game, put the fans first and do without it. Just accept refs will make mistakes in real time.. because they still make mistakes with VAR anyway, just mush less acceptable ones.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2022 9:31:13 GMT 1
Amidst the VAR antics yesterday Michael Oliver's decision to dismiss the VAR query and stick with his decision to award (surprise, surprise) Forest a penalty was as daft as anything else. Not surprising he should apparently be the first to do this. The old adage that a good ref is one you don't notice is long forgotten. It is an age of celebrity refereeing where the requirement is to see something other mere mortals wouldn't. And the same goes for those manning VAR. It is why Moss did what he did. Yeah he got a lot of praise for NOT overturning his decision when VAR sent him to the screen. First to do it apparently and a great sign of how they should do it. But of course thats ignoring that he was totally wrong to not overrule the decision and awarded forest a ridiculous penalty,,, so even when VAR is used right, the idiots still manage to get the wrong decision!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2022 9:39:21 GMT 1
you can look at Sky orBT Sports but the FACT remains the ball did not cross the line. If it had a goal would have been given Theres photographic evidence that proves the ball DID cross the line. By about 2 or 3 inches. Thats all the ball over all the line. That doesnt mean a goal will be given though clearly, as it wasnt. Once again we have been let down outrageously by technology. We would probably have got something out of the game but that would have only papered over the cracks of a pretty dismal performance barring one or two players.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 9:46:39 GMT 1
Amidst the VAR antics yesterday Michael Oliver's decision to dismiss the VAR query and stick with his decision to award (surprise, surprise) Forest a penalty was as daft as anything else. Not surprising he should apparently be the first to do this. The old adage that a good ref is one you don't notice is long forgotten. It is an age of celebrity refereeing where the requirement is to see something other mere mortals wouldn't. And the same goes for those manning VAR. It is why Moss did what he did. Yeah he got a lot of praise for NOT overturning his decision when VAR sent him to the screen. First to do it apparently and a great sign of how they should do it. But of course thats ignoring that he was totally wrong to not overrule the decision and awarded forest a ridiculous penalty,,, so even when VAR is used right, the idiots still manage to get the wrong decision! He didn't fancy waking up with a horse's head in his bed...
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Post by mosher on Sept 5, 2022 10:06:28 GMT 1
Hawkeye, what a load of bull shit that ball was well over and the ref blaming his watch for not buzzing to alert him to a goal. If i am right he was no where near the goal line and did they check the technology after the game to see if it was working correctly, because it clearly wasn't. If you're talking about Town today, that *didn't* cross the line. 100% irrefutable fact, there's a slow mo available somewhere that shows Yuta's second stab basically hit the ball along the line. The other angle is a bit of an illusion, aided and abetted by the odd motion of the keeper who kind of shifts the ball forward as though he thinks its a goal and he's just doing what keepers do. 100% irrefutable fact is you obviously haven't seen the angles Sky showed it at later on. Over the line by a long way, ball hits keeper in the stomach/midriff while his legs are only just the right side of the line.
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Post by tamesideterrier on Sept 5, 2022 10:20:10 GMT 1
EFL statement says they are "incredibly frustrated" by a technology failure at #htafc yesterday and that the "ball was no longer being tracked following it entering the Blackpool goal area".
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 10:36:08 GMT 1
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 5, 2022 10:38:48 GMT 1
you can look at Sky orBT Sports but the FACT remains the ball did not cross the line. If it had a goal would have been given Well, this comment aged well. FACT.
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Post by RickDangerous on Sept 5, 2022 10:41:16 GMT 1
As soon as there is an issue, and something like this is failing to capture data why isn't the referee notified? Alerting software for anything like this is common place anywhere technology exists.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 5, 2022 10:41:39 GMT 1
Our entire club and fan base are also “incredibly frustrated “
How is it possible to be “cheated” so soon after the incident at Wembley?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 10:57:03 GMT 1
Well, this picture is irrefutable evidence. The ball is behind the line and the post - there's even daylight between the ball and the post itself. That, Mr townarebest, is a goal.
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 5, 2022 10:58:56 GMT 1
We must have really fucked off some powerful people by getting to the premier league and staying in it the first season.
Someone somewhere has obviously decided the Huddersfield Town must fall :-)
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 10:59:19 GMT 1
And here's a thing... Whenever goal-line technology is called into use there's always a picture showing just how close the ball was to crossing the line; where's the one from this incident? Hawkeye should be able to produce that at the drop of a hat IF it wasn't a goal. Hmmm...
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 5, 2022 11:02:07 GMT 1
As soon as there is an issue, and something like this is failing to capture data why isn't the referee notified? Alerting software for anything like this is common place anywhere technology exists. Agree with this. The full relevant section from the EFL statement is "We have now received an initial assessment from Hawk-Eye, the providers of the Goal Line Technology service in the Championship, that during a second-half incident with Huddersfield attacking, the match officials did not receive a signal to their watch or earpiece as, due to multiple factors, the ball was no longer being tracked following it entering the Blackpool goal area. This seems to raise as many questions as it answers When was this discovered? Why not earlier? Why wasn't the referee notified? What were the multiple factors? Why isn't there a warning feature? How regularly does this happen? However fair play to the EFL for issuing this initial statement (& not trying to brush it under the carpet). Hope the findings of further discussions are also published. If they could now explain the findings of their investigations into the Wembley fiasco (which surely took place).....
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 11:06:03 GMT 1
Our entire club and fan base are also “incredibly frustrated “ How is it possible to be “cheated” so soon after the incident at Wembley? I’m not sure you could say this was a case of being cheated, although I share your frustration. Yesterday was a failure of technology that’s proved fairly reliable up until now, not the Ref, not Blackpool (I think Nichols would have done the same if this was reversed). Wembley was human intervention, or more precisely a lack of it. If I were DS I’d be using these examples and reading the riot act to the team. They have to put more effort in to make sure these sort of things don’t affect the outcome of our games. We have to start playing players who want to bring the ball forward, Jones should be on the pitch at QPR. Even Yuta, for all his current defensive frailties, seems to want to get forward. It might mean we’re vulnerable to the counter, but it will get the opposition thinking differently. At the moment we’re a bit of a soft touch, use these examples to get into their heads and get them fired up for these games. There’s no passion in this team, and that breeds apathy in the stands as well.
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 5, 2022 11:10:53 GMT 1
It's very similar to the Sheff United 'Ghost Goal', in that it involves a load of body's in and around the 6 yard box and a keeper scrambling around with the ball round the back of the post.
There's clearly issues with the tech in these circumstances.
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