bogart
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Post by bogart on Sept 5, 2022 11:19:40 GMT 1
Club statement and EFL statement confirm the technology failed. Be interesting to see what the multiple factors were.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 11:23:21 GMT 1
Our entire club and fan base are also “incredibly frustrated “ How is it possible to be “cheated” so soon after the incident at Wembley? I’m not sure you could say this was a case of being cheated, although I share your frustration. Yesterday was a failure of technology that’s proved fairly reliable up until now, not the Ref, not Blackpool (I think Nichols would have done the same if this was reversed). Wembley was human intervention, or more precisely a lack of it. If I were DS I’d be using these examples and reading the riot act to the team. They have to put more effort in to make sure these sort of things don’t affect the outcome of our games. We have to start playing players who want to bring the ball forward, Jones should be on the pitch at QPR. Even Yuta, for all his current defensive frailties, seems to want to get forward. It might mean we’re vulnerable to the counter, but it will get the opposition thinking differently. At the moment we’re a bit of a soft touch, use these examples to get into their heads and get them fired up for these games. There’s no passion in this team, and that breeds apathy in the stands as well. I think we're missing some real battle-hardened experience as well. Once Hogg was off the pitch, we had Nicholls, Lees, Ward and Turton over the age of 25 on the pitch. Only really Lees and Nicholls are in a position where they can influence things with some credibility...Ward starts geeing up and it just looks like a whiny striker stood on the halfway line moaning that everyone else is rubbish. Nakayama is 25, but obviously not 100% comfortable with the language yet - everyone else bar Thomas is 19/20/21. A collective of young players, struggling, booed off at half time, feeling hard done-by, already used to losing, etc etc, are bound to drop-off. You could see for example the likes of Rudoni, attempting what were simple passes, and just knocking them straight out of play instead... |
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Post by Champers on Sept 5, 2022 11:24:17 GMT 1
I’m not sure you could say this was a case of being cheated, although I share your frustration. Yesterday was a failure of technology that’s proved fairly reliable up until now, not the Ref, not Blackpool (I think Nichols would have done the same if this was reversed). Wembley was human intervention, or more precisely a lack of it. If I were DS I’d be using these examples and reading the riot act to the team. They have to put more effort in to make sure these sort of things don’t affect the outcome of our games. We have to start playing players who want to bring the ball forward, Jones should be on the pitch at QPR. Even Yuta, for all his current defensive frailties, seems to want to get forward. It might mean we’re vulnerable to the counter, but it will get the opposition thinking differently. At the moment we’re a bit of a soft touch, use these examples to get into their heads and get them fired up for these games. There’s no passion in this team, and that breeds apathy in the stands as well. I think we're missing some real battle-hardened experience as well. Once Hogg was off the pitch, we had Nicholls, Lees, Ward and Turton over the age of 25 on the pitch. Only really Lees and Nicholls are in a position where they can influence things with some credibility...Ward starts geeing up and it just looks like a whiny striker stood on the halfway line moaning that everyone else is rubbish. Nakayama is 25, but obviously not 100% comfortable with the language yet - everyone else bar Thomas is 19/20/21. A collective of young players, struggling, booed off at half time, feeling hard done-by, already used to losing, etc etc, are bound to drop-off. You could see for example the likes of Rudoni, attempting what were simple passes, and just knocking them straight out of play instead... Seen the EFL statement? The one that confirms you're wrong? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 11:26:00 GMT 1
It's very similar to the Sheff United 'Ghost Goal', in that it involves a load of body's in and around the 6 yard box and a keeper scrambling around with the ball round the back of the post. There's clearly issues with the tech in these circumstances. Hawk eye will no doubt defend their technology. If these incidents prove there are flaws that they can't defend, they'll risk losing some very lucrative contracts. It's a bit different I accept, but imagine if fairness existed in modern football. Like a cricketer signalling a boundary when he or she knows they didn't quite get there, would footballers do the same? Having said that, you're taught to play to the whistle at an early age, so I'm pissing in the wind with the thoughts that a professional footballer would be honest... |
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Post by Galpharmer on Sept 5, 2022 11:28:48 GMT 1
Why always Blackpool?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2022 11:30:56 GMT 1
It's very similar to the Sheff United 'Ghost Goal', in that it involves a load of body's in and around the 6 yard box and a keeper scrambling around with the ball round the back of the post. There's clearly issues with the tech in these circumstances. Hawk eye will no doubt defend their technology. If these incidents prove there are flaws that they can't defend, they'll risk losing some very lucrative contracts. It's a bit different I accept, but imagine if fairness existed in modern football. Like a cricketer signalling a boundary when he or she knows they didn't quite get there, would footballers do the same? Having said that, you're taught to play to the whistle at an early age, so I'm pissing in the wind with the thoughts that a professional footballer would be honest... dont know about you mate but if that had happened in our goal id be monumentally furious if any of our players had told the ref it was in!! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 11:44:27 GMT 1
Hawk eye will no doubt defend their technology. If these incidents prove there are flaws that they can't defend, they'll risk losing some very lucrative contracts. It's a bit different I accept, but imagine if fairness existed in modern football. Like a cricketer signalling a boundary when he or she knows they didn't quite get there, would footballers do the same? Having said that, you're taught to play to the whistle at an early age, so I'm pissing in the wind with the thoughts that a professional footballer would be honest... dont know about you mate but if that had happened in our goal id be monumentally furious if any of our players had told the ref it was in!! Yeah, probably the same, but there's so much cheating in the game nowadays, it's just accepted & it does piss me off that there are very few players who understand that these things used to be sporting competitions. The cynical fouls to break up play, stop counter attacks etc. Does my head in, but I know I'm expecting a miracle for the game to correct these things... |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 5, 2022 11:45:16 GMT 1
It's very similar to the Sheff United 'Ghost Goal', in that it involves a load of body's in and around the 6 yard box and a keeper scrambling around with the ball round the back of the post. There's clearly issues with the tech in these circumstances. Following that incident was it officially accepted the technology failed? ...or is this a first? |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 11:49:43 GMT 1
I think we're missing some real battle-hardened experience as well. Once Hogg was off the pitch, we had Nicholls, Lees, Ward and Turton over the age of 25 on the pitch. Only really Lees and Nicholls are in a position where they can influence things with some credibility...Ward starts geeing up and it just looks like a whiny striker stood on the halfway line moaning that everyone else is rubbish. Nakayama is 25, but obviously not 100% comfortable with the language yet - everyone else bar Thomas is 19/20/21. A collective of young players, struggling, booed off at half time, feeling hard done-by, already used to losing, etc etc, are bound to drop-off. You could see for example the likes of Rudoni, attempting what were simple passes, and just knocking them straight out of play instead... Seen the EFL statement? The one that confirms you're wrong? I don't really care one way or the other if I'm factually wrong or right, what I know is I posted my opinion based on what I'd seen...and none of the pictures shared yesterday that I saw looked like a *definite* goal to me, with a couple of the videos actually looking more like the opposite. I've seen one video that looks like a goal, and there's that really clear looking picture with air between ball and post, but in that picture, look at the actual goal line on the floor, there's something odd about the whole framing that doesnt make complete sense. I would really like to see a picture along the goal-line. I guess we're not seeing that for some unknown reason (and I wonder if this is one of the 'multiple failings'). The statement confirms nothing - you'll note they're quite careful to NOT state that the ball definitely crossed the line and a goal should have been awarded, only that the technology stopped tracking the ball, and that the referees were unsighted so couldn't see anything to award. Even if the ball nestled in the back of the net, it wasn't given as a goal and therefore it wasn't a goal - there's not much we can do about it, other than cry like little babies. Main takeaway for me is we need to be BETTER. We shouldn't be in the position where we need technology to give us an equalising goal that refs and Lino's don't see, just as we shouldn't be in a position where we're relying on a remote VAR to decide to award us a penalty in a play off final. We're not good enough at the moment, these fine officiating/technology margins between losses, draws and wins impact you when you're shit. We're shit. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 11:52:08 GMT 1
I think we're missing some real battle-hardened experience as well. Once Hogg was off the pitch, we had Nicholls, Lees, Ward and Turton over the age of 25 on the pitch. Only really Lees and Nicholls are in a position where they can influence things with some credibility...Ward starts geeing up and it just looks like a whiny striker stood on the halfway line moaning that everyone else is rubbish. Nakayama is 25, but obviously not 100% comfortable with the language yet - everyone else bar Thomas is 19/20/21. A collective of young players, struggling, booed off at half time, feeling hard done-by, already used to losing, etc etc, are bound to drop-off. You could see for example the likes of Rudoni, attempting what were simple passes, and just knocking them straight out of play instead... Seen the EFL statement? The one that confirms you're wrong? Or another reply - the EFL statement confirms we have a suitable core of experienced battle hardened professionals up for a fight? Interesting 🤷♂️😂 |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 11:52:34 GMT 1
Seen the EFL statement? The one that confirms you're wrong? I don't really care one way or the other if I'm factually wrong or right, what I know is I posted my opinion based on what I'd seen...and none of the pictures shared yesterday that I saw looked like a *definite* goal to me, with a couple of the videos actually looking more like the opposite. I've seen one video that looks like a goal, and there's that really clear looking picture with air between ball and post, but in that picture, look at the actual goal line on the floor, there's something odd about the whole framing that doesnt make complete sense. I would really like to see a picture along the goal-line. I guess we're not seeing that for some unknown reason (and I wonder if this is one of the 'multiple failings'). The statement confirms nothing - you'll note they're quite careful to NOT state that the ball definitely crossed the line and a goal should have been awarded, only that the technology stopped tracking the ball, and that the referees were unsighted so couldn't see anything to award. Even if the ball nestled in the back of the net, it wasn't given as a goal and therefore it wasn't a goal - there's not much we can do about it, other than cry like little babies. Main takeaway for me is we need to be BETTER. We shouldn't be in the position where we need technology to give us an equalising goal that refs and Lino's don't see, just as we shouldn't be in a position where we're relying on a remote VAR to decide to award us a penalty in a play off final. We're not good enough at the moment, these fine officiating/technology margins between losses, draws and wins impact you when you're shit. We're shit. You're right to a point - we do need to be better. Still don't know why Nakayama didn't smash the rebound high into the net rather than just poking it meekly back at the keeper. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 5, 2022 11:59:18 GMT 1
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Post by Champers on Sept 5, 2022 12:02:32 GMT 1
Seen the EFL statement? The one that confirms you're wrong? Or another reply - the EFL statement confirms we have a suitable core of experienced battle hardened professionals up for a fight? Interesting 🤷♂️😂 Dunno why I quoted that one, senior moment 🤣 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 5, 2022 12:04:45 GMT 1
Townarebest - if you backtrack any further, you'll end up in Beeston... ;-)
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Post by henryc on Sept 5, 2022 12:10:16 GMT 1
I don't really care one way or the other if I'm factually wrong or right, what I know is I posted my opinion based on what I'd seen...and none of the pictures shared yesterday that I saw looked like a *definite* goal to me, with a couple of the videos actually looking more like the opposite. I've seen one video that looks like a goal, and there's that really clear looking picture with air between ball and post, but in that picture, look at the actual goal line on the floor, there's something odd about the whole framing that doesnt make complete sense. I would really like to see a picture along the goal-line. I guess we're not seeing that for some unknown reason (and I wonder if this is one of the 'multiple failings'). The statement confirms nothing - you'll note they're quite careful to NOT state that the ball definitely crossed the line and a goal should have been awarded, only that the technology stopped tracking the ball, and that the referees were unsighted so couldn't see anything to award. Even if the ball nestled in the back of the net, it wasn't given as a goal and therefore it wasn't a goal - there's not much we can do about it, other than cry like little babies. Main takeaway for me is we need to be BETTER. We shouldn't be in the position where we need technology to give us an equalising goal that refs and Lino's don't see, just as we shouldn't be in a position where we're relying on a remote VAR to decide to award us a penalty in a play off final. We're not good enough at the moment, these fine officiating/technology margins between losses, draws and wins impact you when you're shit. We're shit. You're right to a point - we do need to be better. Still don't know why Nakayama didn't smash the rebound high into the net rather than just poking it meekly back at the keeper. 🤷♂️ Very harsh imo. Watch it back again he actually controls the ball with his left foot to create the angle, before putting it in with his right. Great feet and composure to do so in that situation. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 5, 2022 12:11:11 GMT 1
Club statement and EFL statement confirm the technology failed. Be interesting to see what the multiple factors were. A little bloke in a suit and tie, with a card factory bag, was seen going round turning off switches while muttering "I'm not made of fucking money" under his breath 😉 |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 12:22:58 GMT 1
You're right to a point - we do need to be better. Still don't know why Nakayama didn't smash the rebound high into the net rather than just poking it meekly back at the keeper. 🤷♂️ Very harsh imo. Watch it back again he actually controls the ball with his left foot to create the angle, before putting it in with his right. Great feet and composure to do so in that situation. He's got incredible technique, most of what he does just looks 'tidy and right'. That two footed control and shot was in a split second after it was HIS initial header that was saved as well! Where this is teed up to start from is a really good view of his movement. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 5, 2022 16:02:38 GMT 1
Their keepers take on it 😁
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Post by mosher on Sept 5, 2022 16:09:32 GMT 1
And some people will undoubtedly take offense at him taking the piss PorrohmanThought it was quite witty tbh Even if it still hurts to be robbed (again) by shit technology and/or implementation. |
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Post by softboy on Sept 5, 2022 17:41:48 GMT 1
Apart from the fact that it potentially cost us 1 point and perhaps 3 if we had kicked on it worries me that "multiple errors" led to the technology not working. It makes you wonder how many goals are being disollowed due to "multiple errors" but are not as obvious as ours.
Also if the ball had hit the back of the net and bounced out I assume the goal would still have been disallowed!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 5, 2022 18:12:40 GMT 1
You notice lots when you arrive at the ground at 2pm
So, maybe instead of having a laugh and joke with the Chelsea v West Ham Ref from Saturday ( Madley ) they should have been carrying out pre match checks on the technology.
This weekend has been a farce ( VAR etc ) generally, but to be robbed of a point and maybe more should not be accepted so easily and I’m glad the club have voiced their concerns.
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 5, 2022 19:00:22 GMT 1
I was discussing that abandoned game and the unfairness of it on Saturday. What is it with us, we are consistently shat on by the authorities. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 19:15:53 GMT 1
You notice lots when you arrive at the ground at 2pm So, maybe instead of having a laugh and joke with the Chelsea v West Ham Ref from Saturday ( Madley ) they should have been carrying out pre match checks on the technology.This weekend has been a farce ( VAR etc ) generally, but to be robbed of a point and maybe more should not be accepted so easily and I’m glad the club have voiced their concerns. One presumes that when Blackpool scored at that end his watch buzzed and his earphone told him? Must have done - the ball crossed the line. If it didn't, he should have known then that there was a problem. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2022 20:10:25 GMT 1
Apart from the fact that it potentially cost us 1 point and perhaps 3 if we had kicked on it worries me that "multiple errors" led to the technology not working. It makes you wonder how many goals are being disollowed due to "multiple errors" but are not as obvious as ours. Also if the ball had hit the back of the net and bounced out I assume the goal would still have been disallowed! They didn't say multiple errors though - you have to read statements like that as though its legalese, they are VERY careful... " during a second-half incident with Huddersfield attacking, the match officials did not receive a signal to their watch or earpiece as, due to multiple factors, the ball was no longer being tracked following it entering the Blackpool goal area." The multiple *factors* that prevented the ball being tracked could well be a, "there were three or four outfield players and the keeper in the way - very occasionally circumstances arise where it doesn't work, get over it" type situation. Remember the Sheff Utd incident...all reads very similarly... www.skysports.com/football/news/11683/12009513/sheffield-united-ghost-goal-pgmol-insists-there-will-be-no-review-of-var"Hawk-Eye, which provides goalline technology, said it "unreservedly apologises" to the Premier League and Sheffield United after the match officials failed to receive a signal to the watch or earpiece. The company said it has "never been seen before in over 9,000 matches" after its seven cameras located in the stands around the goal area were "significantly occluded" by Aston Villa goalkeeper Orjan Nyland.As long as it works most of the time, and catches some missed decisions by officials, I think thats ok, and as long as referees do give what they SEE as an obvious goal rather than wait for confirmation from a buzz on their watch, and just use it to confirm those goals that they'd otherwise miss, then thats ok...lets not forget that if the technology hadn't been there, then in this case, the ref wouldn't have been able to give a goal, since he nor the lino saw one. |
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 20:35:43 GMT 1
Rumour on twitter it was a training ball without a sensor in it. They did swap the ball in the second half….
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Post by schindlersmissed on Sept 5, 2022 20:36:57 GMT 1
Hawk eye will no doubt defend their technology. If these incidents prove there are flaws that they can't defend, they'll risk losing some very lucrative contracts. It's a bit different I accept, but imagine if fairness existed in modern football. Like a cricketer signalling a boundary when he or she knows they didn't quite get there, would footballers do the same? Having said that, you're taught to play to the whistle at an early age, so I'm pissing in the wind with the thoughts that a professional footballer would be honest... dont know about you mate but if that had happened in our goal id be monumentally furious if any of our players had told the ref it was in!! I wouldn’t!! |
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Post by detox on Sept 5, 2022 23:39:49 GMT 1
They should give use a point in compensation. This idea that the ref is always right is archaic nonsense. When the evidence is clear an error has been made, like rescinded bookings etc, it needs correcting. Blackpool could keep their 3 points, but we should be given one for that.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 6, 2022 0:03:07 GMT 1
Rumour on twitter it was a training ball without a sensor in it. They did swap the ball in the second half…. Fake news. The system we use doesn’t rely on balls sensors, it’s multiple high speed cameras. You can see the cameras if you look at the roof of the Kilner and Riverside stands in line with the goal line. www.scienceabc.com/innovation/how-does-the-goal-line-technology-work.html |
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Post by durhamterrier on Sept 6, 2022 8:12:28 GMT 1
Rumour on twitter it was a training ball without a sensor in it. They did swap the ball in the second half…. Don’t think any balls have a sensor in . |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 6, 2022 8:44:48 GMT 1
I’m just bored of the whole circus.
Example, West Ham.
Moyes ‘should have been a goal, scandalous’
Tuchel ‘we were lucky but it was the correct decision’
Let’s say Chelsea had been denied a last minute equaliser, just swap the comments around.
It’s the same with players and refs, constantly playing this stupid game of bullshit bingo.
Stop lying. We’ve got eyes and ears you absolute bell ends.
Everyone can see it. The quicker everyone snaps out of this ridiculous charade the quicker it can be changed, if everyone just sings from the same hymn sheet and call VAR for what it is then it can be changed from every contentious decision to what it should be, in the bin.
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