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Post by Hank Hill on Sept 5, 2022 10:23:19 GMT 1
I do feel for him. Hopefully we replace him and bring him back into the youth set-up, but he's just not right for the first team right now, we need a change. Why bring him back he’s failed you all need to get rid of this jobs for the boys mentality it’s jobs for the most qualified and available "Jobs for the boys" wasn't my point at all though. I couldn't care less that he's a former player to be honest. Before he was head coach, he seemed well suited coaching the youth teams, and I think it'd a shame to lose him fully, so I was expressing regret at the current situation for him, but it's hard to go backwards once you've already been a first team manager, so there's almost zero chance of that happening anyway. |
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Post by bluestripe on Sept 5, 2022 10:40:54 GMT 1
Why bring him back he’s failed you all need to get rid of this jobs for the boys mentality it’s jobs for the most qualified and available "Jobs for the boys" wasn't my point at all though. I couldn't care less that he's a former player to be honest. Before he was head coach, he seemed well suited coaching the youth teams, and I think it'd a shame to lose him fully, so I was expressing regret at the current situation for him, but it's hard to go backwards once you've already been a first team manager, so there's almost zero chance of that happening anyway. Agreed. Unless Schofield has decided head coach (or goalkeeper for that matter) is not for him, I agree there is zero chance he will stay on, because the fans will never give him another chance. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 5, 2022 10:54:15 GMT 1
"Jobs for the boys" wasn't my point at all though. I couldn't care less that he's a former player to be honest. Before he was head coach, he seemed well suited coaching the youth teams, and I think it'd a shame to lose him fully, so I was expressing regret at the current situation for him, but it's hard to go backwards once you've already been a first team manager, so there's almost zero chance of that happening anyway. Agreed. Unless Schofield has decided head coach (or goalkeeper for that matter) is not for him, I agree there is zero chance he will stay on, because the fans will never give him another chance. I don’t think any fans would have an issue with him dropping back into his previous role. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 5, 2022 10:54:34 GMT 1
What did Dean’s comment about “I’ve asked Danny to be brave” really mean ?
Play more attacking football ?
Don’t be frightened to try things (players out of position etc) ?
We can only afford these players ?
I’m just confused (some would say a lot..) what is Danny trying to do ?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 10:59:44 GMT 1
I feel Alot of this shambles must be blamed on Dean Hoyle as i often wonder how much thought was given to Schofields appointment
I also felt this was the cheapest option available to the club but the real cost will be when the club seriously struggles to pay back Hoyles club debt if relegated
My view is to demote Schofield and bring in Dyche if he can be persuaded to come in and sort out this mess before its to late
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Post by townrwe on Sept 5, 2022 11:00:06 GMT 1
So the feelings summed up are.
We all feel sorry for the position he has been put into by the club and its sympathy and sympathy alone that is currently keeping him in his Job.
We all like him and don't want to see him sacked, but he's way out of his depth, probably more so that Jan siewert and should have a few years as an assistant first.
We have played OK in some games but generally this is despite the manager rather than because of him and his tactics and selections are way off.
Nice bloke, Town man, but not the head coach we need at the moment and any decision not taken now is just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 5, 2022 11:06:39 GMT 1
Demote Schofield, put Dyche in. But it won't happen.
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Post by bobbyblue on Sept 5, 2022 11:09:58 GMT 1
More chance off getting warnock in till the end of the season and see how we get on he would sort this mess out
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Post by Tiro on Sept 5, 2022 11:21:22 GMT 1
As has probably been discerned I don’t think he should be sacked, undoubtedly he has made errors in his team selection, although that is only my opinion, he has however endured some unfortunate situations, OB and Toffolo going, Corberan going at a very unfortunate time, a much shorter and late pre season, Pearson injured, Katsumo injured, some players having a “hangover” from the play off situation and as Hogg alluded to , the ball ran for us last season this season it certainly hasn’t . There are brighter signs Ruduni, Jones, Thomas returning to some form , Katsumo hopefully back at QPR, and at least 2 signings to reshape a defence which has lost at least 75% of its players. I remain hopeful that in the short term the situation will improve, regardless of the supporters claiming we are crap all the time, we are still trying to evolve and have been in every game so far, I personally though in periods yesterday we played well and so far this season have not seen a team or teams to fear, this at least gives hope we can recover from this poor start.I personally think Hoyle will assess the situation at the World Cup break, but it certainly doesn’t help the team with this boundless negativity, some of the criticism in my opinion is over the top and makes me wonder would be better “ supporting” another team with a greater level of success or doing something else with their time. UTT Very well said. I'm in agreement with everything except for the timing of the ultimate decision, if indeed that is required. I think by then it's potentially too late and the job is much harder than it is now. Reacting sooner could potentially turn this into a mid-table struggle rather than a relegation struggle. I'm not saying we would do this, but there is still time to push on for the top six as it stands; Forest demonstrated this last season. Much later and our ambitions change. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 5, 2022 11:23:23 GMT 1
The tactics aren't working and the players look flat and lack confidence.
Our press isn't working. When it goes to a wide centre back it's too easy for teams to play out from the back - this might be because Russell doesn't have the legs and Tino doesn't cover effectively enough on the press, I'm not really sure. But I think nearly every game the opposition have more of the ball than us - noticeable that against Stoke this wasn't the case and then we had Hogg and Rudoni in the middle.
Blackpool looked far fitter than us yesterday and more aggressive. That lack of aggressive I think costs us as a football club, from the sidelines and on the pitch and it's been that way for years. Things like Lee Mason rescinding his penalty decision against Cardiff when Warnock was going mental, the non penalties in the play-off final, a clear goal not being given. We're too magnanimous so subconsciously we get decisions go against us. Until we start calling it out and making it a media situation, referees are not going to feel any pressure to go against us and we'll keep getting shafted.
Blackpool were kicking us all game, they mostly got away with it.
The players are going on the pitch indecisive and making too many individual errors. That's down to the players but ultimately is a reflection of the dressing room. The one positive i took from yesterday is that we have got enough talent in the squad to win games, but we need someone more capable to do it.
Appleton was appointed at the start of this season as well, and yesterday he got more out of a collection of poorer players than Schofield did.
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Post by Melc on Sept 5, 2022 11:23:31 GMT 1
More chance off getting warnock in till the end of the season and see how we get on he would sort this mess out Even Warnock is not that daft to take this shit show on! |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 5, 2022 11:25:00 GMT 1
More chance off getting warnock in till the end of the season and see how we get on he would sort this mess out Even Warnock is not that daft to take this shit show on! He loves a challenge though! |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 5, 2022 11:31:54 GMT 1
As has probably been discerned I don’t think he should be sacked, undoubtedly he has made errors in his team selection, although that is only my opinion, he has however endured some unfortunate situations, OB and Toffolo going, Corberan going at a very unfortunate time, a much shorter and late pre season, Pearson injured, Katsumo injured, some players having a “hangover” from the play off situation and as Hogg alluded to , the ball ran for us last season this season it certainly hasn’t . There are brighter signs Ruduni, Jones, Thomas returning to some form , Katsumo hopefully back at QPR, and at least 2 signings to reshape a defence which has lost at least 75% of its players. I remain hopeful that in the short term the situation will improve, regardless of the supporters claiming we are crap all the time, we are still trying to evolve and have been in every game so far, I personally though in periods yesterday we played well and so far this season have not seen a team or teams to fear, this at least gives hope we can recover from this poor start.I personally think Hoyle will assess the situation at the World Cup break, but it certainly doesn’t help the team with this boundless negativity, some of the criticism in my opinion is over the top and makes me wonder would be better “ supporting” another team with a greater level of success or doing something else with their time. UTT Very well said. I'm in agreement with everything except for the timing of the ultimate decision, if indeed that is required. I think by then it's potentially too late and the job is much harder than it is now. Reacting sooner could potentially turn this into a mid-table struggle rather than a relegation struggle. I'm not saying we would do this, but there is still time to push on for the top six as it stands; Forest demonstrated this last season. Much later and our ambitions change. But Dean said top six..... |
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Post by Melc on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:11 GMT 1
Very well said. I'm in agreement with everything except for the timing of the ultimate decision, if indeed that is required. I think by then it's potentially too late and the job is much harder than it is now. Reacting sooner could potentially turn this into a mid-table struggle rather than a relegation struggle. I'm not saying we would do this, but there is still time to push on for the top six as it stands; Forest demonstrated this last season. Much later and our ambitions change. But Dean said top six..... Don’t thing Hoyle is that bothered anymore.. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:59 GMT 1
As has probably been discerned I don’t think he should be sacked, undoubtedly he has made errors in his team selection, although that is only my opinion, he has however endured some unfortunate situations, OB and Toffolo going, Corberan going at a very unfortunate time, a much shorter and late pre season, Pearson injured, Katsumo injured, some players having a “hangover” from the play off situation and as Hogg alluded to , the ball ran for us last season this season it certainly hasn’t . There are brighter signs Ruduni, Jones, Thomas returning to some form , Katsumo hopefully back at QPR, and at least 2 signings to reshape a defence which has lost at least 75% of its players. I remain hopeful that in the short term the situation will improve, regardless of the supporters claiming we are crap all the time, we are still trying to evolve and have been in every game so far, I personally though in periods yesterday we played well and so far this season have not seen a team or teams to fear, this at least gives hope we can recover from this poor start.I personally think Hoyle will assess the situation at the World Cup break, but it certainly doesn’t help the team with this boundless negativity, some of the criticism in my opinion is over the top and makes me wonder would be better “ supporting” another team with a greater level of success or doing something else with their time. UTT Very well said. I'm in agreement with everything except for the timing of the ultimate decision, if indeed that is required. I think by then it's potentially too late and the job is much harder than it is now. Reacting sooner could potentially turn this into a mid-table struggle rather than a relegation struggle. I'm not saying we would do this, but there is still time to push on for the top six as it stands; Forest demonstrated this last season. Much later and our ambitions change. Top 6?.......I don't think many would have been predicting a Top 6 finish for Town this season, would they? Despite the surprising finish up there last season....... Top half and safe would be a perfectly acceptable this season after all the shenanigans over Summer, and there is more than enough season left to get there |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2022 11:41:12 GMT 1
More chance off getting warnock in till the end of the season and see how we get on he would sort this mess out Even Warnock is not that daft to take this shit show on! Any new manager has a good squad to work with. I really dont see any great difference in terms of squad strength between what we have now and what we had last season when we finished 3rd. So I dont see it as a shit show at all... its just one thats playing like its a shit show! We just need a manager who can get it playing as well as it should be .. as a team and as individuals and so far DS has failed to do that, and Id imagine is running out of time to do it very quickly now. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 5, 2022 11:47:52 GMT 1
We have a real problem with the idea of Danny dropping down to coach the B team, it would be a very difficult thing for him to do & would not be fair on who is doing it now. Yet is Dean going to have to say he's made a mistake, history says that is unlikely, but something clearly needs to change. The players certainly don't look like they're playing for Danny.
If Danny is deemed not good enough to be coaching the first team, it means his credibility at the club takes a hit. It's a really unfortunate position to be in & a clean break from the club maybe what he needs.
The vast majority of Town fans love Danny but if it wasn't one of our ex-players managing us now, I would expect the clamour to sack him wold be universal.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 5, 2022 12:23:52 GMT 1
I'm split. I feel for him really because the players are letting him down so badly. They are so much better than they are playing right now. Not tactics or formations... just each players individual ability. To pass.. to control the ball.. to head the ball... to work hard. yesterday you had players making such basic simple errors. Ridiculously bad passes. Weak challenges. At Bristol missing relatively easy chances. And then technology not working properly to kick him in the nuts even more. But then on the other hand you have to ask whether he is motivating them. Can he not shake them out of this malaise .. get them over the Wembley pain? We have players like Tino strolling around for almost an entire game having zero effect. Why wasnt he removed? At the start of the season it was all about a point to prove from him.. does he think the goals against WBA have proved it and he doesnt need to bother now?? Why isn't Russell made to move into space to receive a pass? Or removed if he continues to not bother? We've got so many centre backs we've just loaned one out to a side higher than us in the division,, yet we have all sorts of non centre halves playing there? Jones has been our most effective attacking player in recent games, why was he brought on so late to be very effective once again? Why are we seeing the utterly woeful Thomas playing instead of him? I want to give him more time. Hes a HTFC man and I so want him to be a success. But I also need to see something that points to improvements being made and yesterday there were none. Hoyle doesnt have a track record of being overly patient so if he is still our boss at QPR, a defeat there will probably be it for DS. Tino was removed, his replacement did even less |
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Post by crux on Sept 5, 2022 12:38:26 GMT 1
I'm split. I feel for him really because the players are letting him down so badly. They are so much better than they are playing right now. Not tactics or formations... just each players individual ability. To pass.. to control the ball.. to head the ball... to work hard. yesterday you had players making such basic simple errors. Ridiculously bad passes. Weak challenges. At Bristol missing relatively easy chances. And then technology not working properly to kick him in the nuts even more. But then on the other hand you have to ask whether he is motivating them. Can he not shake them out of this malaise .. get them over the Wembley pain? We have players like Tino strolling around for almost an entire game having zero effect. Why wasnt he removed? At the start of the season it was all about a point to prove from him.. does he think the goals against WBA have proved it and he doesnt need to bother now?? Why isn't Russell made to move into space to receive a pass? Or removed if he continues to not bother? We've got so many centre backs we've just loaned one out to a side higher than us in the division,, yet we have all sorts of non centre halves playing there? Jones has been our most effective attacking player in recent games, why was he brought on so late to be very effective once again? Why are we seeing the utterly woeful Thomas playing instead of him? I want to give him more time. Hes a HTFC man and I so want him to be a success. But I also need to see something that points to improvements being made and yesterday there were none. Hoyle doesnt have a track record of being overly patient so if he is still our boss at QPR, a defeat there will probably be it for DS. Tino was removed, his replacement did even less Tino made Russell look like a top athlete yesterday, he was awful. I know you don't rate Holmes at all and I'm not his greatest fan, but he did actually run about which was more than Tino did. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 5, 2022 12:44:16 GMT 1
Dyche would absolutely turn things around with this squad, probably get mid table and push on next year.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 5, 2022 12:47:12 GMT 1
If he had gone then wouldn't it have been announced by now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 12:51:15 GMT 1
Dyche would absolutely turn things around with this squad, probably get mid table and push on next year. Sure he would but you're talking about a manager completely out of our league in terms of salary and completely against our director of football setup. If we sack Schofield (which I believe we should) it isn't worth talking about managers like Dyche you may as well discuss Klopp or Guardiola. Managers like Dyche will command a big salary and expect big backing for a chance at promotion. We have a high league 1/lower championship budget, the kind of managers you would be looking at are league 1 managers looking to step up or a championship journeyman looking to regain his rep and that is a best case scenario unless you can find someone untried from abroad like we did with Wagner. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 5, 2022 12:54:39 GMT 1
I'm sure it would have been announced by now if they were sacking him?
Looks like we're stuck with him.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 5, 2022 12:57:20 GMT 1
The problem is if we do sack him or return him to his previous role, which manager worth his salt would want to be just another cog in the machine.
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Post by Melc on Sept 5, 2022 13:02:19 GMT 1
Even Warnock is not that daft to take this shit show on! Any new manager has a good squad to work with. I really dont see any great difference in terms of squad strength between what we have now and what we had last season when we finished 3rd. So I dont see it as a shit show at all... its just one thats playing like its a shit show! We just need a manager who can get it playing as well as it should be .. as a team and as individuals and so far DS has failed to do that, and Id imagine is running out of time to do it very quickly now. I was only joking about the squad, as you say it is far better than what we are getting out of them at the moment. Tactics and the rest is a different matter though and in my view I think we do need someone else to replace Schofield. |
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 5, 2022 13:11:48 GMT 1
I'm sure it would have been announced by now if they were sacking him? Looks like we're stuck with him. Ironically, the goal controversy that could have got us a point not being given has saved him … for another week, at least! Imagine the outcry if we got rid after the EFL have admitted a mistake was made. Bad PR, the club would get slaughtered in the media. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 5, 2022 13:13:46 GMT 1
Dyche with our squad would be a disaster.
He won't come anyway but, we have quite a lot of "good footballers" (playing pretty shit at the moment obviously), Dyche would want to pull the squad apart it would not be a quick fix. We don't have one big target man never mind 2 I just don't see our squad suiting him at all.
I think it's very difficult with what to do at the moment and not just about the financial implications of getting a new head coach in. I'm fairly confident we will get better but not certain. I think Schofield has been "groomed" for this position but I do think it's come too soon, sack him now and he probably never gets another chance. Moving back would be incredibly difficult for him and he is a really nice lad which morally (yes I get football is cut-throat) I think does make it even more difficult because by sacking him you're potentially/probably ruining his career.
There's a lot of things going against him at the moment with the play off hangover, certain players being out, not being given a left back and we have had some bad luck. I am slightly leaning towards sticking with him for now but I'm not in the club, I don't know how the players are reacting to him or what the mood is like.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 5, 2022 13:18:32 GMT 1
If we had any ambition we should have approached Sean Dyche. Some folk moaned about the style under Carlos... if we appointed Dyche, Huddersfield would become energy independent with all the piss being boiled |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Sept 5, 2022 13:32:17 GMT 1
I'm sure it would have been announced by now if they were sacking him? Looks like we're stuck with him. It seems like we want to give ourselves a proper challenge this season, a real Great Escape job for his successor. |
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Post by leroy212 on Sept 5, 2022 13:37:53 GMT 1
Sure one of the itk posters will be along at some point with a bit of info about if he's going or staying
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