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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 13, 2022 23:54:24 GMT 1
It’s clear that we are a team woefully devoid of confidence.
We had some bad luck again but good players making multiple errors , including the Championship keeper of last season, suggests that something is wrong.
I definitely see exactly the same as I saw when Siewert was in charge.
Good professionals getting frustrated with the bench.
It was Hogg last time and Holmes tonight.
I rarely criticise the club but it’s very clear that changes are required.
On the plus side, I was impressed with Kasumu and Rhodes still shows he’s got what it takes.
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Post by ACW on Sept 13, 2022 23:56:53 GMT 1
It’s clear that we are a team woefully devoid of confidence. We had some bad luck again but good players making multiple errors , including the Championship keeper of last season, suggests that something is wrong. I definitely see exactly the same as I saw when Siewert was in charge. Good professionals getting frustrated with the bench. It was Hogg last time and Holmes tonight. I rarely criticise the club but it’s very clear that changes are required. On the plus side, I was impressed with Kasumu and Rhodes still shows he’s got what it takes. I thought Rhodes was excellent when he came on. Held the ball up and offered a real threat to their goal. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 13, 2022 23:57:53 GMT 1
A quick note to say that Finmurphy1 has been given a red card for his post concerning Dean Hoyle and is taking a month off. There is no need to keep reporting that post. A month off? It warrants a lifetime ban and no less than that |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 14, 2022 0:14:18 GMT 1
Anything popped up ont internet about the one that seemed to cross the goal-line just before we scored?
It looked to me to have gone in and I must have 'thumbsed up' about half a dozen posts on here from folk who thought the same.
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Post by impact on Sept 14, 2022 0:25:45 GMT 1
Anything popped up ont internet about the one that seemed to cross the goal-line just before we scored? It looked to me to have gone in and I must have 'thumbsed up' about half a dozen posts on here from folk who thought the same. I didn't think so and from the 1 angle on the highlights it doesn't look fully over either |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 0:30:21 GMT 1
We’ve got 4 points from a possible 15 at home, 0 from a possible 9 away.
From where we were a few months ago, and probably the season before last, this must be one of our poorest starts in recent yrs.
The old adage “we need to stop the rot” is quite apt.
Get it sorted Town, we’re far from being cut adrift, but we’re too much of a soft touch.
It’s shite walking up that ramp listening to away supporters celebrating, shame the players can’t experience that…
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 14, 2022 0:37:42 GMT 1
He needs to be gone tomorrow but I doubt he will be
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 14, 2022 0:37:46 GMT 1
Another narrow defeat - but it’s still a defeat nonetheless and it’s really precarious for Danny now sadly...
Once again ahead on possession, shots on and off, hitting the woodwork yet again, another potential over the line...
It really has been a hard luck story for the manager, but if Coventry win a game in hand we’re rock bottom and if they win another after that we’re cut adrift there...
I think he’ll get to Saturday but another loss and it’ll be a swift end on Saturday evening if he doesn’t consider his position and resign at that point...
Not sure what his contract situation is but if he’s got a few years, I can’t see him walking...
A shame really the way it’s panned out for a fine fella and club stalwart, but fine margins and all that...
Just the wrong guy in the wrong movie at the wrong time I guess...
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Post by harris on Sept 14, 2022 0:38:28 GMT 1
What’s utterly baffling is that we are just so outnumbered everywhere on the pitch.
When Wigan had the ball they overloaded us on the wing, whipped the ball in and they either got a shot away, or it went through our entire defence and ended on the other wing where there was an overload. They’d be queuing up in the box to score, edge of the box if we cleared. Then when we went forward we were outnumbered even more so.
Tactically inept and DS has to go. Unfortunately there isn’t many options out there that makes me think we can get out of this mess quickly.
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Post by willo on Sept 14, 2022 0:41:48 GMT 1
Well, that wasn’t very good and not the improvement I was looking for. We have some big problems. Sorba booting a water bottle as he left the field in frustration at h/t, clearly not the player of last season this (yet) and Holmes being subbed when I felt he was playing very well and probably our best man at the time clearly not happy - he was deep in discussion with Hoggy in the tunnel I noticed immediately after giving the side of the dugout a thumping. DS showing once again he is well out of his depth, I still have no idea what the game plan is. We apparently can’t afford to sack him I read, well he needs to do the decent thing because whatever the plan is, it isn’t working. We have the players to finish mid-table but lack the know-how and organisation on the coaching staff to achieve it. As for Wigan, shithousery at it’s finest right there tonight. They also have lots of big, experienced players who will most weeks give you a 7/10 performance minimum. Oh for a Max Power in our team, bossed the midfield tonight and managed to ref the game at the same time. Not unlike Hogg for us but can actually play a forward pass too! Bottom line is he has to go, now, before the rot really sets in. One game more is the potential for another 3 points to be lost. I would prefer someone like Gareth Ainsworth but would equally be happy with Warnock right now.
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Post by midlander on Sept 14, 2022 0:45:32 GMT 1
I thought it had but there was no beep on ref's watch, so it mustn't have done...... Lol. Cos that system isn’t flawed??? Whooooooshhhhhh 😊 |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 14, 2022 2:10:45 GMT 1
He needs to be gone tomorrow but I doubt he will be If he goes who comes? |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 14, 2022 2:29:44 GMT 1
Bit worried by the standard of some of our signings On a positive note, Kasumu looks to have the ability to be a long term replacement for Hogg They’re B team signings. Rudoni, Kasumu, Mbete, Boyle, KKH would probably be fine one League One but they’re out of their depth at this level. Same were said last season re league 1 signings got to within 90 min of prem, never say never!! |
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Post by stanton1969 on Sept 14, 2022 2:53:19 GMT 1
Another directionless, disjointed performance against very limited opposition. There was a short burst in the second half when we really got at them and the result could have been different. But we didn't take our chances and after Wigan went infront we never looked like equalising. Some may say we were better in the second half and created enough chances to get a result. True, but we only really played well for part of the second half. And that is simply not enough. Let's be honest here. Bristol City, Blackpool and Wigan were very limited teams, yet all have beaten us. Reasonably comfortably. That is really worrying. If we can't beat these teams, who can we beat? Who? We have some decent players, and we are capable of isolated bits of good football, but we don't function as a team at all. Either defensively or in attack. We look like 11 strangers thrown together and playing for the first time. In short, we don't look a well-coached team. I'm rarely one for calling for the manager/coach to go, but it's plain to everyone this isn't working. I genuinely believe we have the players to avoid relegation, but they need new direction. And they need it now I'm afraid. You say they beat us comfortably but I don't think that's true. Bristol we missed 2 sitters, hit the post and they broke and scored the 2nd which the keeper should save. Blackpool we scored or missed a sitter from a yard, whichever you want to say, and then another from Rhodes later (or I'm getting games mixed up?). Tonight we've missed 2 open nets, hit the bar and conceded the winner that the keeper should save. IMO we should have got at least a point from all those games as well as Birmingham away. It's not great, but I don't think any of them were comfortable. I see your point but the performances are utterly dreadful and in truth we have deserved nothing from these games. It’s been woeful. |
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 6:39:22 GMT 1
What's annoying me is this was all so predictable,and many did in fact predict it.
Watched on TV last night and what I saw was non existent midfield,in fact players hiding by putting an opponent between them and our guy with the ball !
Overall it looked aimless, Ward was dire but then so were many others. I can see Sorba losing his cool in frustration at a totally chaotic team performance.
We did pick up a bit when Jones came on and we did actually string 6 passes together through the midfield for the first,and only,time.
There's a clear lack of confidence, too many errors,giving the ball away,not tracking back and of course 2 open goals missed and we gift the opposition a penalty and a goalie error.
Mistakes everywhere and that's yet another defeat..we already look doomed, cut adrift. The Hoyle experiment isn't working but I suspect he never really thought it would.
I don't know where we go from here, we've no money, we've massive debts,the owner only intent on balancing the books and not investing anymore.
I've stopped feeling angry, I feel like I'm losing interest now, I have no intention of going down to watch this stuff tbh.
It's such a shame,it didn't have to be like this and I feel really sorry for those fans who remain dedicated and loyal and how they're feeling now.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 14, 2022 6:48:51 GMT 1
What's annoying me is this was all so predictable,and many did in fact predict it. Watched on TV last night and what I saw was non existent midfield,in fact players hiding by putting an opponent between them and our guy with the ball ! Overall it looked aimless, Ward was dire but then so were many others. I can see Sorba losing his cool in frustration at a totally chaotic team performance. We did pick up a bit when Jones came on and we did actually string 6 passes together through the midfield for the first,and only,time. There's a clear lack of confidence, too many errors,giving the ball away,not tracking back and of course 2 open goals missed and we gift the opposition a penalty and a goalie error. Mistakes everywhere and that's yet another defeat..we already look doomed, cut adrift. The Hoyle experiment isn't working but I suspect he never really thought it would. I don't know where we go from here, we've no money, we've massive debts,the owner only intent on balancing the books and not investing anymore. I've stopped feeling angry, I feel like I'm losing interest now, I have no intention of going down to watch this stuff tbh. It's such a shame,it didn't have to be like this and I feel really sorry for those fans who remain dedicated and loyal and how they're feeling now. That reads like you are excusing Sorba's awful attitude. I hate watching him as nothing is ever his fault, he just blames everyone and everything around him. Constantly falls on the floor after losing the ball and then cries to officials about it instead of getting back in to position to help the team. Look at his reaction towards Ward after he missed that simple chance. Yes it was a shocker but it's gone and he should be picking Ward up off the floor and geeing him up, telling him he'll stick the next one away etc. Doesn't look like much of a team player to me right now. If he had reacted like that toward me I would have reminded him of his attempt at Birmingham which nearly hit the corner flag which was just as bad a miss |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 14, 2022 6:56:03 GMT 1
Anything popped up ont internet about the one that seemed to cross the goal-line just before we scored? It looked to me to have gone in and I must have 'thumbsed up' about half a dozen posts on here from folk who thought the same. I didn't think so and from the 1 angle on the highlights it doesn't look fully over either Looks over but that's a bit of an optical illusion IMO. That's the exact view I based my initial opinion on. On seeing it again, not over IMO, I've changed my opinion.  |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 14, 2022 7:30:12 GMT 1
What's annoying me is this was all so predictable,and many did in fact predict it. Watched on TV last night and what I saw was non existent midfield,in fact players hiding by putting an opponent between them and our guy with the ball ! Overall it looked aimless, Ward was dire but then so were many others. I can see Sorba losing his cool in frustration at a totally chaotic team performance. We did pick up a bit when Jones came on and we did actually string 6 passes together through the midfield for the first,and only,time. There's a clear lack of confidence, too many errors,giving the ball away,not tracking back and of course 2 open goals missed and we gift the opposition a penalty and a goalie error. Mistakes everywhere and that's yet another defeat..we already look doomed, cut adrift. The Hoyle experiment isn't working but I suspect he never really thought it would. I don't know where we go from here, we've no money, we've massive debts,the owner only intent on balancing the books and not investing anymore. I've stopped feeling angry, I feel like I'm losing interest now, I have no intention of going down to watch this stuff tbh. It's such a shame,it didn't have to be like this and I feel really sorry for those fans who remain dedicated and loyal and how they're feeling now. That reads like you are excusing Sorba's awful attitude. I hate watching him as nothing is ever his fault, he just blames everyone and everything around him. Constantly falls on the floor after losing the ball and then cries to officials about it instead of getting back in to position to help the team. Look at his reaction towards Ward after he missed that simple chance. Yes it was a shocker but it's gone and he should be picking Ward up off the floor and geeing him up, telling him he'll stick the next one away etc. Doesn't look like much of a team player to me right now. If he had reacted like that toward me I would have reminded him of his attempt at Birmingham which nearly hit the corner flag which was just as bad a miss Sitting down that side there was a bit of something there all first half with those two.Ward screamed at sorba a few times for not been in the right position or tracking or backing up when he had pressed. Probably all just general frustration but you have to keep going. |
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Post by offsideclyde on Sept 14, 2022 7:36:38 GMT 1
Thomas getting a lot of stick and some of it unfair.
Might help him and the team if he is played on the right.
Can you remember last season when he was the best right-sided player in the division. I think Schofield must have missed that as he insists on playing him on the left.
His confidence is shot but let's not forget he also came from non league too, we should accept some patchy form.
He went mad with Ward for missing an open goal! I like his passion and at least he doesn't hide which a lot were doing last night. Standing in positions so they couldn't have the ball.
He is a young player that if he gets his form back can take us up the league. He is crucusl to us staying in this division
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 8:07:04 GMT 1
Thomas getting a lot of stick and some of it unfair. Might help him and the team if he is played on the right. Can you remember last season when he was the best right-sided player in the division. I think Schofield must have missed that as he insists on playing him on the left. His confidence is shot but let's not forget he also came from non league too, we should accept some patchy form. He went mad with Ward for missing an open goal! I like his passion and at least he doesn't hide which a lot were doing last night. Standing in positions so they couldn't have the ball. He is a young player that if he gets his form back can take us up the league. He is crucusl to us staying in this division I guess what we don't know is if Sorba was screaming at Ward to leave it...but to single out individuals (albeit I named Ward) masks the overall picture...whatever style we're supposed to be playing isn't working..because we keep losing. Someone else mentioned that we seemed to be outnumbered in every area of the pitch, even when Wigan attacked they often had 4 men in our box, they dominated the middle, bossed both wings and all we seem to do is back track and shadow, allowing them to get shots and crosses in..this has been the case most of the season. We just don't seem to have the stamina to match our opponents movemnets, either that or the will to do it.
There are some bright lights in the team though,but not enough to deliver a win. Roll on the World Cup shutdown, which would seem a good time to bring in a new coach, if not before. It's sickening what's happened at Town (again) , I'm still not recovered from the 'PL legacy'...
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Post by benhomly on Sept 14, 2022 8:10:44 GMT 1
Thomas getting a lot of stick and some of it unfair. Might help him and the team if he is played on the right. Can you remember last season when he was the best right-sided player in the division. I think Schofield must have missed that as he insists on playing him on the left. His confidence is shot but let's not forget he also came from non league too, we should accept some patchy form. He went mad with Ward for missing an open goal! I like his passion and at least he doesn't hide which a lot were doing last night. Standing in positions so they couldn't have the ball. He is a young player that if he gets his form back can take us up the league. He is crucusl to us staying in this division I guess what we don't know is if Sorba was screaming at Ward to leave it...but to single out individuals (albeit I named Ward) masks the overall picture...whatever style we're supposed to be playing isn't working..because we keep losing. Someone else mentioned that we seemed to be outnumbered in every area of the pitch, even when Wigan attacked they often had 4 men in our box, they dominated the middle, bossed both wings and all we seem to do is back track and shadow, allowing them to get shots and crosses in..this has been the case most of the season. We just don't seem to have the stamina to match our opponents movemnets, either that or the will to do it. There are some bright lights in the team though,but not enough to deliver a win. Roll on the World Cup shutdown, which would seem a good time to bring in a new coach, if not before. It's sickening what's happened at Town (again) , I'm still not recovered from the 'PL legacy'...
It needs doing now surely? We rarely benefit from the 'new manager bounce' but now seems a good time to start. |
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Post by herrphilly on Sept 14, 2022 8:22:56 GMT 1
just watched the highlights or lowlights of this game back, really made me annoyed again,
there is no pressing of the ball, each time wigan push forward town players stand off them , each cross that comes in the box the defender should be getting out there to stop the cross, successful team press the opposition high up the pitch to win it back in dangerous positions, this is simple coaching.
i was there last night and i was pretty bored, the football was not exciting, time to go danny
should have stayed home and watched bake off !!!!
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 8:27:23 GMT 1
just watched the highlights or lowlights of this game back, really made me annoyed again, there is no pressing of the ball, each time wigan push forward town players stand off them , each cross that comes in the box the defender should be getting out there to stop the cross, successful team press the opposition high up the pitch to win it back in dangerous positions, this is simple coaching. i was there last night and i was pretty bored, the football was not exciting, time to go danny should have stayed home and watched bake off !!!! Was it a penalty ? From where I sit it looked like he won the ball. Folk round me thought the ref was booking their player for the dive. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 14, 2022 8:28:37 GMT 1
For most of my Town watching career we’ve been one player short of a good team.
We missed out on promotion when we lost Buttler in 1992, Allison was the missing piece in 96, Barry Horne transformed us in 98, Stewart leaving saw us fall apart in 2000, Ndlovu temporarily made is competitive in 2001, Leon Knight almost took us up in 2002…I can’t remember much of the last 20 years in the same detail!
I think we’re in a similar position now though: one quality midfielder short of being more than competent at this level (with a reasonable manager).
It’s not all doom & gloom.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Sept 14, 2022 8:32:40 GMT 1
Jeremy Simpson was an absolute disgrace today. Booked Thomas at half time for arguing with him, then several times in the second half he was surrounded by Wigan players and no cards shown... I can only hope that Thomas gave him a real zinger to provoke the booking. Something about him being fat and slow and utterly incapable of keeping up with play. Hopefully at the next international break, Sorba can learn a few Welsh insults that will go over any ref's head. Thomas will be very lucky to be involved with the Welsh squad at the next International break the way he is playing They've just announced it. He's in there for the upcoming Poland and Belgium games. Lucky boy. Clearly picked on previous, not current, form. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Sept 14, 2022 8:35:33 GMT 1
I still blame Tierney for this shitshow.
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Post by ACW on Sept 14, 2022 8:50:23 GMT 1
Just seen the winning goal again. A catalogue of errors.
We don't stop the cross, allow the scorer to control, turn and shoot and then the goalie fails to save a low shot struck into the central area of the goal. I can't work out how a keeper of Nicholls' quality is not in a position to save it.
That goal probably sums us up as a team at the moment. So easy to score against.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Sept 14, 2022 8:51:38 GMT 1
just watched the highlights or lowlights of this game back, really made me annoyed again, there is no pressing of the ball, each time wigan push forward town players stand off them , each cross that comes in the box the defender should be getting out there to stop the cross, successful team press the opposition high up the pitch to win it back in dangerous positions, this is simple coaching. i was there last night and i was pretty bored, the football was not exciting, time to go danny should have stayed home and watched bake off !!!! Was it a penalty ? From where I sit it looked like he won the ball. Folk round me thought the ref was booking their player for the dive. All day long. Even Jon Moss would've given it. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Sept 14, 2022 8:54:20 GMT 1
For most of my Town watching career we’ve been one player short of a good team. We missed out on promotion when we lost Buttler in 1992, Allison was the missing piece in 96, Barry Horne transformed us in 98, Stewart leaving saw us fall apart in 2000, Ndlovu temporarily made is competitive in 2001, Leon Knight almost took us up in 2002…I can’t remember much of the last 20 years in the same detail! I think we’re in a similar position now though: one quality midfielder short of being more than competent at this level (with a reasonable manager). It’s not all doom & gloom. It is doom and gloom when competent midfielders cost money and want wages. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 14, 2022 8:59:37 GMT 1
The atmosphere was very good second half for a while. I’ve noticed when the crowds drop and it’s the “proper fans” left the booing etc is less.
If Rhodes had scored it would have been one of the great nights in the stadium.
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