Danny Schofield sacked

[wigster]

It's official now

[rothwellterrier]

“ Narcís Pèlach and Paul Harsley will take temporary charge and lead the team into Saturday’s league game at home to Cardiff City.”

[Sparrow]

What a shit situation we find ourselves in

But at least the decision has been taken.

Hopefully plenty of conversations have been had and we have someone lined up to come in next week

[ambryboy]

Even though it felt inevitable I still feel sad for the feller

[nicovaesen]

Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry

[dm]

Something had to happen. Little intensity, poor starts of each half, disinterest on the pitch, drawing the opposition in as we labour with it on the edge of our own box. Poor finishing hasn't helped him but this has been a shit start to the season.

There would be no reason to wait to make a change. The gap to safety has only been increasing.

[Captainslapper]

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

[mosher]

Gutted for DS, one of my favourite ever players, but it had to happen.

Has he been completely sacked off and shown the door or is he returning to a youth coach position?

I hope he's staying around but maybe even if he's been offered that he might feel he can't continue at the club in any position?

All the best Danny, wrong person, wrong time IMO

[specialun]

Hoyle & Bromby threw him under the bus after Carlos’ late exit

Was never going to be easy with a stronger league, losing 3 players who would get in any championship team, Sinani too, much weaker squad, unbalanced squad, signings too late, Carlos quitting so late, minimal pre season

Only 4 of yesterday’s team started the play off final … that’s some change in a short period

Feel sorry for him - his managerial career ruined before it’s started. Unlucky for Danny we don’t have a owner whose business which could go bust which saved Carlos in his first season

But clearly can’t go on losing 6 in 8 - simply relegation form

We’ve now also lost a well respected coach who had he been given a chance at the right time with right support might have succeeded - rather than thrown in deep end

Incompetence from the top of the highest order

Who trusts them to get it right now?

[Gag N Bone Man]

Sept 14, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

hard to disagree with any of this. 

What we need now though is someone with experience of this country's game, and of the championship. Rumours will abound about Wagner. We'll see. 

[Captainslapper]

Sept 14, 2022 10:15:05 GMT 1 nicovaesen said:

Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry

Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m.
It wasnt remotely like a shite hand.

[Stewpot]

As it stands feeling a little underwhelmed. DS a ready made scapegoat since CC left. Not sure Hoyle will alter his approach, just get someone else in to suit his cheap and cheerful mode of operation. We shall see.

[Fantoolong]

OIt would have been better for him to resign and hopefully revert to his old post in coaching, he would have kept a great deal of respect and dignity had he done so. I wish him well whatever he does, he was not manager material ( maybe in the future). At least this was not allowed to drag on and on. However the number of managers Hoyle has been involved in selecting( and I assume he has the final say), most ( other than Wagner) have turned out a poor choice, is worrying, it does cast some doubt on his judgement, if not the advice he is getting to make a judgement. I have no idea what the procedure is for doing so, but it seems like it needs an overhaul.
Onwards and upwards(can't really go much furtehr down!)
T.T.I.D

[sabailand]

Never been one to call for a managers head and i was never vocal against DS, but even i could see something had to change, a new manager with new ideas is what we need, lets just hope the choice is the right one.

[nicovaesen]

Sept 14, 2022 10:22:09 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Sept 14, 2022 10:15:05 GMT 1 nicovaesen said:

Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry

Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m.
It wasnt remotely like a shite hand.

The board even admitted it was sooner than they wanted he wasent ready. I wanted it to work and saw what it meant to him after the Stoke win and was at the bottom of the south stand when Hogg never hugged him to death. I felt that and wanted him to succeed. Would have been nice for a stalwart of the club such as DS to have been the one.

[themanfromatlantis]

I might get pilloried for this, but...

When you look at the 2 obvious success stories, they've come from a background of being more tuned into the man management, the intelligence side of coaching, the sports science, the marginal gains stuff. Both were former players, but both of them were studious about the game.

Maybe the simple reason that DS didn't work out, is that he's an ex player with his coaching badges, and whilst he would no doubt have tried to be studious about things, he's clearly nowhere near the same level as Wagner & Corberan. Both of those coaches had a decent apprenticeship, Danny is still at the start of that apprenticeship in reality.

Good luck to the bloke, he'll have learnt a lot in a short time, and hope he gets another gig at the right place to continue his career at the right level, for now...

[daftmidge]

Seen a lot of comments on Wagner, loved him when he was here but going back rarely works out and it seems we would only get him now cos his stock is pretty low?

I don't really have a suggestion for who we 'need' but I feel like the Wagner gamble was something we should have tried after Carlos left not now when we are already in trouble.

Luckily for me I have no say on this so just get to sit and watch with my fingers crossed.

The squad is good enough to compete, but plenty of teams that are 'too good' to go down get relegated.

Over to you Deano...

[themanfromatlantis]

Sept 14, 2022 10:24:36 GMT 1 Fantoolong said:

OIt would have been better for him to resign and hopefully revert to his old post in coaching, he would have kept a great deal of respect and dignity had he done so. I wish him well whatever he does, he was not manager material ( maybe in the future). At least this was not allowed to drag on and on. However the number of managers Hoyle has been involved in selecting( and I assume he has the final say), most ( other than Wagner) have turned out a poor choice, is worrying, it does cast some doubt on his judgement, if not the advice he is getting to make a judgement. I have no idea what the procedure is for doing so, but it seems like it needs an overhaul.
Onwards and upwards(can't really go much furtehr down!)
T.T.I.D

Would his compensation package have been the same had he resigned? Harsh reality, let them pay me off rather than me walk...

[impact]

I feel really sorry for him. He wasn't there tactically, but my God he's had some awful luck. Players well off it making individual mistakes in defence and attack and some awful decisions to boot. In games we've lost by 1 goal we've had 2 clear penalties not given, a goal not given for technology, many massive chances missed and pathetic mistakes at the back.

Some of the players should be ashamed of themselves.

[Oblong of Dreams]

Sept 14, 2022 10:19:53 GMT 1 mosher said:

Gutted for DS, one of my favourite ever players, but it had to happen.

Has he been completely sacked off and shown the door or is he returning to a youth coach position?

I hope he's staying around but maybe even if he's been offered that he might feel he can't continue at the club in any position?

All the best Danny, wrong person, wrong time IMO

I'd be surprised if he was still at the club, I can't think of that ever happening in the game other than with caretakers, though I'm sure it will have at some point. Though I feel for Danny, it's the right decision IMO.

Ultimately, I blame Moss and Tierney for Schofield now being out of work. If they'd done their jobs he'd still be coaching the B-team. We'd be in a similar position but a division higher.

[hueypnewton]

I don’t buy this whole ‘thrown under a bus’ theory. Schofield took on a team and club that were third last season. Yes there has been important player departures but from top three to bottom three takes some doing. DS didn’t have to take the role, he wanted it and he got it. He was then backed in the loans and transfer market. I’m not a big Hoyle fan but DS had to get a tune out of these players and he never looked like he was capable of doing this. Simply not up to the task. The fact he’s a former player means people look for others to blame. It didn’t work with Steve Smith and it didn’t work with Schofield. Now who’s out new Super Mac?!

[ritchie]

Sept 14, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

I see it the other way. The times we've shown a bit of anything is because we have some decent players, but collectively they are so poorly coached we generally look awful. That and carlos elevating some to look better than they are.

there might be a bit of 'not playing for schofield' because they dont think he's good enough/are upset carlos left, but the main issue is the coaching. players dont let a manager they buy into down like this

[westislandterrier]

Sept 14, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

The players ARE the managers nowadays.... if they don’t like a manager / coach or take to his tactics then it’s down tools and game management to get rid of the manager - but it’d never have happened under bosses like Shankley, Stein Busby, Ferguson, and Souness, Smith and McLean at Dundee United up here...

It’ll be interesting to see if these same players climb up the table if they ‘like’ Danny’s replacement... 

Disgraceful if that turns out to be the case ! 

[ACW]

Sept 14, 2022 10:13:53 GMT 1 ambryboy said:

Even though it felt inevitable I still feel sad for the feller

I think that probably sums up the feelings of most fans. No animosity towards Schofield from me at all. I hope he can rebuild his career.

[yorkterrier]

Just me that doesn't feel sorry for him?

He took the job. When he did so, he must know that the clock is ticking and as history has shown us, its ALWAYS only a matter of time.

I won't Labour the point as its been said many times over the last few weeks but its clear to me thst he isn't a manager, a leader or a decision maker. He's a coach, a trainer and, importantly, a cracking lad to boot and I hope thst he continues to work to those strengths.

[ruggedivy]

Sept 14, 2022 10:28:50 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

I might get pilloried for this, but...

When you look at the 2 obvious success stories, they've come from a background of being more tuned into the man management, the intelligence side of coaching, the sports science, the marginal gains stuff. Both were former players, but both of them were studious about the game.

Maybe the simple reason that DS didn't work out, is that he's an ex player with his coaching badges, and whilst he would no doubt have tried to be studious about things, he's clearly nowhere near the same level as Wagner & Corberan. Both of those coaches had a decent apprenticeship, Danny is still at the start of that apprenticeship in reality.

Good luck to the bloke, he'll have learnt a lot in a short time, and hope he gets another gig at the right place to continue his career at the right level, for now...

It's fine margins in this game. CC and DW where both fantastic man managers who built up players confidence and developed their game.
DS clearly has to work on this if he has any aspirations to coach at a high level.
Having said that he was dealt a shit hand. Most clubs tend to suffer after a play off final defeat. This was compounded by CC's surprise exit.
All I can say is I'm thankful this has happened so early on.
The break for the World Cup is a god send for us as it will allow
the new manager the time to build up confidence and fitness.

[Tiro]

All this 'DH and Bromby threw him under a bus' and 'I feel sorry for the bloke'...he wanted the job! He turned down other opportunities because he wanted this.

Yes it's more complex; a club needs a backer, it needs a framework and it needs committed players etc. But he had everything and more than what CC had to do the job. LOB, Toffs and Colwill were not the difference between 3rd and solid bottom. The lack of cohesion and tactical understanding on the field is his design. Setting up with Yuta at LB out of possession and then DM with the ball is one of the most bizarre concepts I've seen.

[specialun]

Sept 14, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

Only 4 of play off final team started yesterday - Team & squad much weaker & then late additions yet still unbalanced squad

I don’t think we’ll tell if he’d be a success as a manager… clearly not worked here having been thrown under bus, weaker squad, wrong time to give him chance

But can’t lose 6 in 8 and expect to continue

Carlos somehow survived 9 defeats in 12 … woeful run, worse performances, didn’t get the boot, got backed and had a pre season…

[drumriggend]

Sept 14, 2022 10:32:31 GMT 1 westislandterrier said:

Sept 14, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It was a gamble that didnt pay off.

Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments.
2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield )

I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics.
Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players.

Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done.

The players ARE the managers nowadays.... if they don’t like a manager / coach or take to his tactics then it’s down tools and game management to get rid of the manager - and it’d never have happened under bosses like Shankley, Stein Busby, Ferguson, and Souness, Smith and McLean at Dundee United up here...

It’ll be interesting to see if these same players climb up the table if they ‘like’ Danny’s replacement... 

Disgraceful if that turns out to be the case ! 

Sorry westy but that’s bollox..



Ds didn’t have a scoooby..



It’s not the players weren’t trying..



No method, pattern , organisation or system..



Talented squad badly coached..




I don’t blame Danny btw..



Should never have got the gig..



🍻

[terriersyndrome]

Stupid decision to give him the job in the first place.

Hopefully he can find a job in the lower leagues & build himself a career.

Hoyle & Bromby need to sort this shit out that they caused themselves.

Best of luck Danny 👍