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Post by sensible idiot on Sept 15, 2022 11:51:10 GMT 1
You think you were called entitled because we appointed Schofield? You were called entitled because you feel entitled to a lot more of the owners money. I thought that was clear. I don't feel entitled to a penny of the owners money, I feel it the owners duty to take the club as far forward as possible by appointing staff capable of achieving that. I knew that Schofield's appointment was contradictory to that, and that to continue to be competitive we would need to appoint a manager who would inevitably demand a higher wage. That's what you considered 'entitled', you were wrong then and you're wrong now. Cool. When DH is the actual owner, judge him then. Why is it that some generally bright folk on here cannot understand that DH only owns 25% of the club? I buy your car off you but cannot afford the £10k you want, so I pay you £7,500 for 75% of it….. and I get it to swan around in. …. A year or 2 later, I say to you that I can no longer afford to run it (fuel, tyres, service, MOT etc) so you agree to pay for these costs, even though I still get to own 75% of it. My mates then start saying you should be funding new fatboy alloys for it, along with a full body kit, etc (in other words, ‘improve’ it)…. I say no…. ….. and all your mates say I’m a tight fucker who is ruining the car (your car)!!! That’s acting pretty fucking entitled to me! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 11:51:25 GMT 1
So like everything you moan at Hoyle for, its because he wasnt spending enough money in your view. But this isn't you feeling entitled to more of his money at all. Youre in no way being entitled cause its his 'duty' to you. Schofields appointment was no different really to Wagners or Corborans in that it was a novice manager.. a 'cheap' option,, so presumably you knew they wouldn't be capable of taking the club forward aswell? You do realise that me and HTAFC are seperate entities right? Yet again Slapps we reach this point where our individual loyalites become clear, mine are to HTAFC, yours are to Dean Hoyle. What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. |
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 15, 2022 11:56:49 GMT 1
You do realise that me and HTAFC are seperate entities right? Yet again Slapps we reach this point where our individual loyalites become clear, mine are to HTAFC, yours are to Dean Hoyle. What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. What money is he supposed to be entitled to? At best he thinks HTFC are "entitled" to more of his money? |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 15, 2022 11:57:59 GMT 1
No way!! He intended to hurt Battiston. There's no debate! Oh, I agree Schumacher intended what he did and had plenty of time to avoid him and actually jumps into him AFTER the ball has long gone, I was on about the ref saying he didn't see the extent of the foul as HE was tracking the ball. Oh..Forgive me!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 12:05:13 GMT 1
What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. What money is he supposed to be entitled to? At best he thinks HTFC are "entitled" to more of his money? Yes, obviously I mean he thinks HTFC are entitled to more of the owners money. I wasnt suggesting he's expecting Hoyle to send him personally a big cheque. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 15, 2022 12:08:12 GMT 1
What money is he supposed to be entitled to? At best he thinks HTFC are "entitled" to more of his money? Yes, obviously I mean he thinks HTFC are entitled to more of the owners money. I wasnt suggesting he's expecting Hoyle to send him personally a big cheque.Would be nice though  |
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 15, 2022 12:17:22 GMT 1
What money is he supposed to be entitled to? At best he thinks HTFC are "entitled" to more of his money? Yes, obviously I mean he thinks HTFC are entitled to more of the owners money. I wasnt suggesting he's expecting Hoyle to send him personally a big cheque. But in that case he isnt entitled then is he? Or anyone else you accuse of being entitled? He cant be entitled himself unless he thinks he should be receiving financial assistance from Hoyle as you rightly say. And its still a pretty loose argument thinking HTFC are entitled to more of his money. In that case im sure you, yourself, have at times been guilty of that with owners at some point. There wont be many fans in the land who dont want the club to sign players they want. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Sept 15, 2022 12:23:07 GMT 1
Yes, Hoyle can do what he wants with his brass but the bottom line is we are in big trouble.
It would be nice to hear from him other than when he is hawking season tickets and trying to big up Schofield.
I hope he sticks to his promise of Q&A sessions in October, not as an incitement for people to pile in with insults against him, but to show he is a man of his word.
You never know we might have a new manager and won a game by them.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Sept 15, 2022 12:24:41 GMT 1
Interesting that the players are all quiet on Twitter this time. Not sure if we can read anything into that? Given the amount of jogging and hiding they’ve been doing in recent weeks I’d say their views were pretty clear |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 15, 2022 12:26:45 GMT 1
You do realise that me and HTAFC are seperate entities right? Yet again Slapps we reach this point where our individual loyalites become clear, mine are to HTAFC, yours are to Dean Hoyle. What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. So because I want to see my club push as hard as reasonably possible for success that makes me entitled? If that's your attitude there is literally zero point in you supporting this football club or any other for that matter. Why are you talking as if the owners money is something that goes into my pocket?! It's the other way around ffs! One thing you persistently fail to understand is that as ST holders, we are all stakeholders in the club, and are buying into whatever vision the club as a whole lay out. When the owner sells you that vision, he/she damn well better make sure they do eveything in their power to at least try and deliver that vision, otherwise they will rightly come in for criticism, and rapidly see supporters voting with their feet. I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite if DH triples his net worth or bankrupts himself delivering on the vision that he is oh so happy to peddle when it comes to ST renewal time, as long as he actually makes full effort to do so. How much money DH has in his bank account isn't my problem, and neither is it yours, and if it is something that is causing him great concern then he shouldn't be in the position he is in. What is my problem, is seeing that I am receiving the vision I was sold when I yet again handed over my hard earned. That isn't called entitlement, it's called being a free thinking supporter of a club who wants to see it done right by the custodian, whose job it is to cater to the ONLY people that matter, the fans. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 15, 2022 12:36:22 GMT 1
Interesting that the players are all quiet on Twitter this time. Not sure if we can read anything into that? Big Dunc has told them all to shut the fuck up |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 15, 2022 12:41:02 GMT 1
Not having that, the twat knew exactly what he was doing. Edit: seen your reply to Rambo 👍 |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 15, 2022 12:44:41 GMT 1
Enjoying this.  He'll be back at the computer shop for more keys by Friday 🙄 |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 15, 2022 13:04:20 GMT 1
For those saying the Schofield appointment is no different to Wagner or Corberan - as far as I can see they were both managers at u23 level whereas Schofield, as far as I can tell, has only been a coach.
A lot of our problems this season stem from having a coach rather than a manager in charge.
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Post by Sio on Sept 15, 2022 13:22:27 GMT 1
What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. So because I want to see my club push as hard as reasonably possible for success that makes me entitled? If that's your attitude there is literally zero point in you supporting this football club or any other for that matter. Why are you talking as if the owners money is something that goes into my pocket?! It's the other way around ffs! One thing you persistently fail to understand is that as ST holders, we are all stakeholders in the club, and are buying into whatever vision the club as a whole lay out. When the owner sells you that vision, he/she damn well better make sure they do eveything in their power to at least try and deliver that vision, otherwise they will rightly come in for criticism, and rapidly see supporters voting with their feet. I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite if DH triples his net worth or bankrupts himself delivering on the vision that he is oh so happy to peddle when it comes to ST renewal time, as long as he actually makes full effort to do so. How much money DH has in his bank account isn't my problem, and neither is it yours, and if it is something that is causing him great concern then he shouldn't be in the position he is in. What is my problem, is seeing that I am receiving the vision I was sold when I yet again handed over my hard earned. That isn't called entitlement, it's called being a free thinking supporter of a club who wants to see it done right by the custodian, whose job it is to cater to the ONLY people that matter, the fans. And with that, you've won the debate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 13:37:11 GMT 1
So because I want to see my club push as hard as reasonably possible for success that makes me entitled? If that's your attitude there is literally zero point in you supporting this football club or any other for that matter. Why are you talking as if the owners money is something that goes into my pocket?! It's the other way around ffs! One thing you persistently fail to understand is that as ST holders, we are all stakeholders in the club, and are buying into whatever vision the club as a whole lay out. When the owner sells you that vision, he/she damn well better make sure they do eveything in their power to at least try and deliver that vision, otherwise they will rightly come in for criticism, and rapidly see supporters voting with their feet. I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite if DH triples his net worth or bankrupts himself delivering on the vision that he is oh so happy to peddle when it comes to ST renewal time, as long as he actually makes full effort to do so. How much money DH has in his bank account isn't my problem, and neither is it yours, and if it is something that is causing him great concern then he shouldn't be in the position he is in. What is my problem, is seeing that I am receiving the vision I was sold when I yet again handed over my hard earned. That isn't called entitlement, it's called being a free thinking supporter of a club who wants to see it done right by the custodian, whose job it is to cater to the ONLY people that matter, the fans. And with that, you've won the debate. Not really, what is the vision Dean Hoyle sells? As I understand it the vision is buy low, sell high and try develop our own talent through the B team model which includes coaches. I don't agree with the vision personally as I think it lands you back in league 1 eventually but let's not pretend Dean Hoyle sells the dream and we've all been strung along. People will always criticise the owner when it goes tits up but I doubt we'll find another owner willing to prop us up as much as Dean Hoyle does so I don't really know what the answer is. It feels like we need a new owner for fresh impetus and enthusiasm but would they have the funds to get us competing properly I doubt it. |
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Post by sensible idiot on Sept 15, 2022 13:37:28 GMT 1
I'm with you 100% sheriff. It's obvious Captain is an absolute Hoyle worshiper no matter what. Hoyle certainly has his disciples (sheep) well versed and trained ready to defend him regardless. I repeat:Any other owner (none fan) would have no support whatsoever from our fan base for running the club the way he does and I like sheriff and many many other lifelong season card holders are quite frankly sick of it! For the love of god…… you do know Dean Hoyle doesn’t actually own the club currently, don’t you? ‘Any other owner blah blah….’ You show me someone who DOESN’T own a football club who funds one to the tune of £5 to £10 million a year!! If / when he gets PH’s shares back and actually owns the club…. Then you can bitch and whine if still unhappy. |
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Post by buckers on Sept 15, 2022 13:42:06 GMT 1
I'm with you 100% sheriff. It's obvious Captain is an absolute Hoyle worshiper no matter what. Hoyle certainly has his disciples (sheep) well versed and trained ready to defend him regardless. I repeat:Any other owner (none fan) would have no support whatsoever from our fan base for running the club the way he does and I like sheriff and many many other lifelong season card holders are quite frankly sick of it! For the love of god…… you do know Dean Hoyle doesn’t actually own the club currently, don’t you? ‘Any other owner blah blah….’ You show me someone who DOESN’T own a football club who funds one to the tune of £5 to £10 million a year!! If / when he gets PH’s shares back and actually owns the club…. Then you can bitch and whine if still unhappy. If he doesn’t own the club why is he putting £100k a week in? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 14:07:15 GMT 1
Simply to protect his own money,which is why he retained 25% when he did the NDA deal with Phil because he Simply is going to take back £millions from the club by whatever means he can, ie like the Vanished parachute millions, PL £millions & countless players sold £millions, leaving us struggling heading to L1. That's why I'd like Hoyle out of our club ASAP. 😂 |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 15, 2022 14:12:13 GMT 1
Simply to protect his own money,which is why he retained 25% when he did the NDA deal with Phil because he Simply is going to take back £millions from the club by whatever means he can, ie like the Vanished parachute millions, PL £millions & countless players sold £millions, leaving us struggling heading to L1. That's why I'd like Hoyle out of our club ASAP. Sorry but calm down. He isn't taking anything from the club, anyone that thinks logically can see that. If he is putting money in how is he taking it out? I have been a vocal critic of Dean Hoyle in recent times but bloody hell. |
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Post by sensible idiot on Sept 15, 2022 15:03:31 GMT 1
For the love of god…… you do know Dean Hoyle doesn’t actually own the club currently, don’t you? ‘Any other owner blah blah….’ You show me someone who DOESN’T own a football club who funds one to the tune of £5 to £10 million a year!! If / when he gets PH’s shares back and actually owns the club…. Then you can bitch and whine if still unhappy. If he doesn’t own the club why is he putting £100k a week in? He has a MINORITY shareholding ie 25%…. So maybe he doesn’t want this to become worthless? ….. maybe he is doing so in order to protect the club he supports? ….. maybe he’s been badly advised and is a gullible fool who is just wasting his money? …… maybe it’s a tax scam? ….. maybe the ‘voices’ in his head make him do it. So, I have no idea why but my point is don’t bitch at DH as the ‘owner’ when he clearly isn’t the owner. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 15:23:07 GMT 1
What absolute horseshit. Your loyalty is to HTFC and from that you feel entitled to more of the owners money . Its his duty,, you just said so. £100k a week is not enough. My loyalty is to HTFC but I dont feel entitled to more of the owners money. I just appreciate the £100k a week. If thats what he's prepared to put in, then so be it. So because I want to see my club push as hard as reasonably possible for success that makes me entitled? If that's your attitude there is literally zero point in you supporting this football club or any other for that matter. Why are you talking as if the owners money is something that goes into my pocket?! It's the other way around ffs! One thing you persistently fail to understand is that as ST holders, we are all stakeholders in the club, and are buying into whatever vision the club as a whole lay out. When the owner sells you that vision, he/she damn well better make sure they do eveything in their power to at least try and deliver that vision, otherwise they will rightly come in for criticism, and rapidly see supporters voting with their feet. I honestly couldn't give a shiny shite if DH triples his net worth or bankrupts himself delivering on the vision that he is oh so happy to peddle when it comes to ST renewal time, as long as he actually makes full effort to do so. How much money DH has in his bank account isn't my problem, and neither is it yours, and if it is something that is causing him great concern then he shouldn't be in the position he is in. What is my problem, is seeing that I am receiving the vision I was sold when I yet again handed over my hard earned. That isn't called entitlement, it's called being a free thinking supporter of a club who wants to see it done right by the custodian, whose job it is to cater to the ONLY people that matter, the fans. All your constantly bleating on about is Hoyle putting more money into the club! He puts in £100k a week but that isn't enough for you. You pay your £250 a year and for that you want a 'vision' where he will finance success.. because you think its his duty to the club and to you. It makes me laugh that you dont think that is stinking of entitlement!! I want the club to push hard too... but I dont think I have the right to demand that someone else funds that more than they are prepared to. Thats the difference here... you do. And I know you probably arent the kind of bloke who shows entitlement in normal life.. thats why being called it irks you a bit. But like so many, when it comes to their football club that sense of entitlement goes through the roof. Anyway you've got the idiot forest fan WUM agreeing with you now! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 15:26:20 GMT 1
Simply to protect his own money,which is why he retained 25% when he did the NDA deal with Phil because he Simply is going to take back £millions from the club by whatever means he can, ie like the Vanished parachute millions, PL £millions & countless players sold £millions, leaving us struggling heading to L1. That's why I'd like Hoyle out of our club ASAP. Sorry but calm down. He isn't taking anything from the club, anyone that thinks logically can see that. If he is putting money in how is he taking it out? I have been a vocal critic of Dean Hoyle in recent times but bloody hell. Hes a WUM Forest fan or a complete idiot ,.It'll be the first. ignore him. |
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Post by hueypnewton on Oct 20, 2022 10:44:50 GMT 1
Danny is now the new Doncaster boss
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 20, 2022 11:27:50 GMT 1
Danny is now the new Doncaster boss Genuinely pleased for him. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 20, 2022 11:35:10 GMT 1
Hope it goes well for Danny.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 20, 2022 12:15:31 GMT 1
I wish Danny all the best.
Let us not though conveniently forget during Fotheringham shooting season.
Schofield has played his part and is also culpable for our current league position (the same as the Players, whoever made both appointments and Fotheringham).
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Post by Hank Hill on Oct 20, 2022 12:17:14 GMT 1
Good for him, hope he's successful.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Oct 20, 2022 13:20:42 GMT 1
Wonder if he'll try take Chico with him...
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Post by rockwall on Oct 20, 2022 18:58:54 GMT 1
Diarra and Spencer loans maybe? Be good for them
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