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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 14, 2022 10:37:00 GMT 1
For a lot of us, this is sad news. A decent Man has lost his job. However, we could not continue like this.
For others that have been anything that ranges from out of order to disrespectful and even nasty towards Danny Schofield. I hope you are pleased with yourselves and what you have posted. You can get your bunting out now.
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Post by wigster on Sept 14, 2022 10:37:40 GMT 1
Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. Goodness me Cap'n - genuine question - Why the repetitive defence of Dean Hoyle ? I can understand it about certain things but the appointment and inevitable sacking of Danny S is surely indefensible isn't it ? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 14, 2022 10:37:47 GMT 1
I might get pilloried for this, but... When you look at the 2 obvious success stories, they've come from a background of being more tuned into the man management, the intelligence side of coaching, the sports science, the marginal gains stuff. Both were former players, but both of them were studious about the game. Maybe the simple reason that DS didn't work out, is that he's an ex player with his coaching badges, and whilst he would no doubt have tried to be studious about things, he's clearly nowhere near the same level as Wagner & Corberan. Both of those coaches had a decent apprenticeship, Danny is still at the start of that apprenticeship in reality. Good luck to the bloke, he'll have learnt a lot in a short time, and hope he gets another gig at the right place to continue his career at the right level, for now... Fair point on apprenticeships Wagner learned and was very close to klopp - no doubt soundboarded him even when he worked at town Corberan was bielsa’s prodigy and probably leaned on that experience at times DS had no older head. In fact the only coaching hire town made was an out of work ex Brum coach who schofield didn’t know or had worked with. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 14, 2022 10:38:58 GMT 1
It was a gamble that didnt pay off. Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments. 2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield ) I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics. Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players. Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done. Only 4 of play off final team started yesterday - Team & squad much weaker & then late additions yet still unbalanced squad I don’t think we’ll tell if he’d be a success as a manager… clearly not worked here having been thrown under bus, weaker squad, wrong time to give him chance But can’t lose 6 in 8 and expect to continue Carlos somehow survived 9 defeats in 12 … woeful run, worse performances, didn’t get the boot, got backed and had a pre season… Is your "special" talent the ability to work in a dig at Carlos in every single message you post? 😉 |
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Sept 14, 2022 10:39:50 GMT 1
All this 'DH and Bromby threw him under a bus' and 'I feel sorry for the bloke'...he wanted the job! He turned down other opportunities because he wanted this. Yes it's more complex; a club needs a backer, it needs a framework and it needs committed players etc. But he had everything and more than what CC had to do the job. LOB, Toffs and Colwill were not the difference between 3rd and solid bottom. The lack of cohesion and tactical understanding on the field is his design. Setting up with Yuta at LB out of possession and then DM with the ball is one of the most bizarre concepts I've seen. Yet not a concept unknown at other clubs and other levels, and given Yuta showed in his first couple of games he can pass a ball it makes sense. What didn't work was his inability to move into space, meaning he was shadowed by 3 players giving our centre halves no real option to give him the ball. I accept if it is strange for many but I won't accept he is better played as a left wing back in Toffolo's old role. He's anything but that player. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 10:40:51 GMT 1
Only 4 of play off final team started yesterday - Team & squad much weaker & then late additions yet still unbalanced squad I don’t think we’ll tell if he’d be a success as a manager… clearly not worked here having been thrown under bus, weaker squad, wrong time to give him chance But can’t lose 6 in 8 and expect to continue Carlos somehow survived 9 defeats in 12 … woeful run, worse performances, didn’t get the boot, got backed and had a pre season… Is your "special" talent the ability to work in a dig at Carlos in every single message you post? 😉 Well, we are the Terriers after all… 😉 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 10:41:22 GMT 1
Bastard, you changed it ACW… 😁
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 14, 2022 10:44:16 GMT 1
Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. I imagine that the Captain could find Hoyle in bed with his wife and he’d make him a cup of tea and a bacon butty the morning after. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 14, 2022 10:44:48 GMT 1
It was a gamble that didnt pay off. Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments. 2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield ) I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics. Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players. Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done. The players ARE the managers nowadays.... if they don’t like a manager / coach or take to his tactics then it’s down tools and game management to get rid of the manager - but it’d never have happened under bosses like Shankley, Stein Busby, Ferguson, and Souness, Smith and McLean at Dundee United up here... It’ll be interesting to see if these same players climb up the table if they ‘like’ Danny’s replacement... Disgraceful if that turns out to be the case ! Appreciate your points Westie but I don’t think it’s down to the players. I sit close to the dugouts - the body language from the bench through to the players has not been right from Day 1 of this season. |
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Post by specialun on Sept 14, 2022 10:45:01 GMT 1
Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. Can’t agree You’ve lost 3 players who would get in any championship team - all gone to premier league - plus Sinani who started regularly and now heavily involved at Norwich We haven’t replaced Toffolo - key outlet and key to how we played Squad not enough quality to play as a 4, now we’re going with a 3 but don’t have good enough attacking wing backs which are critical to that. Square pegs round holes all over the place Midfield last season - Eiting couldn’t even get on bench in final, we’re now having to play Rudoni (who looks a good signing) out of position and too deep Squad in better position now after recent recruits but still lacks balance all too late for Schofield - international break can’t come quickly enough for new manager to work with recent additions, Kasumu and priority to find a formation to suit the players we have We are now better than 1 win in 8 and DS has to take some responsibility for that - but I warned this season would be hard if we didn’t get promoted… |
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Post by ACW on Sept 14, 2022 10:46:35 GMT 1
With regards the debate about where the responsibility lies in relation to our poor performance this season...
Surely it's a joint responsibility between Schofield and the players. Schofield has plainly not got the coaching right, but the individual performances of some of the players have been really poor. And, although many of our problems stem from coaching/tactical inadequacies, we have also made lots of individual mistakes that are the sole responsibility of the players.
Schofield has lost his job today, but quite a few of our players need to reflect on their own performances. We don't have as strong a team/squad as last season, but we are not as crap as we have been performing. And that is not just down to the coach.
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Post by specialun on Sept 14, 2022 10:46:50 GMT 1
Only 4 of play off final team started yesterday - Team & squad much weaker & then late additions yet still unbalanced squad I don’t think we’ll tell if he’d be a success as a manager… clearly not worked here having been thrown under bus, weaker squad, wrong time to give him chance But can’t lose 6 in 8 and expect to continue Carlos somehow survived 9 defeats in 12 … woeful run, worse performances, didn’t get the boot, got backed and had a pre season… Is your "special" talent the ability to work in a dig at Carlos in every single message you post? 😉 It’s observing you feeling the need to comment on him in every response 😉😉 |
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Sept 14, 2022 10:50:08 GMT 1
Dealt a shit hand would be getting a club to a play off final and at the point of you walking the club had given you Will Boyle, who they’ve already tried to get shut of in the same window he was signed. Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. |
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Post by griffa on Sept 14, 2022 10:51:01 GMT 1
I feel really sorry for him. He wasn't there tactically, but my God he's had some awful luck. Players well off it making individual mistakes in defence and attack and some awful decisions to boot. In games we've lost by 1 goal we've had 2 clear penalties not given, a goal not given for technology, many massive chances missed and pathetic mistakes at the back. Some of the players should be ashamed of themselves. Agree with your comments re awful luck, but the performances have been disjointed & getting worse, game by game. Thought the comments made by Dean, after the playoff final about Danny Schofield were strange. Made me wonder whether Carlos, had made it clear to DH, that CC wanted to leave! Head Coach/Management as we know is extremely demanding, Danny Schofield didn't strike as the being strong enough, to make a success, as Town's Head Coach - UTT. |
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Post by ponteterrier on Sept 14, 2022 10:51:47 GMT 1
I don't think Wagner would want to come back, as much as it would lift the while club.
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Post by Tiro on Sept 14, 2022 10:52:56 GMT 1
All this 'DH and Bromby threw him under a bus' and 'I feel sorry for the bloke'...he wanted the job! He turned down other opportunities because he wanted this. Yes it's more complex; a club needs a backer, it needs a framework and it needs committed players etc. But he had everything and more than what CC had to do the job. LOB, Toffs and Colwill were not the difference between 3rd and solid bottom. The lack of cohesion and tactical understanding on the field is his design. Setting up with Yuta at LB out of possession and then DM with the ball is one of the most bizarre concepts I've seen. Yet not a concept unknown at other clubs and other levels, and given Yuta showed in his first couple of games he can pass a ball it makes sense. What didn't work was his inability to move into space, meaning he was shadowed by 3 players giving our centre halves no real option to give him the ball. I accept if it is strange for many but I won't accept he is better played as a left wing back in Toffolo's old role. He's anything but that player. Then use Ruffells. Or Jackson. They wouldn't have faired any worse. |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 14, 2022 10:54:58 GMT 1
I don't think Wagner would want to come back, as much as it would lift the while club. Give him a 2 year deal.. Basic 1/2 million a year.. £1milliion promotion bonus.. He’d be here like shit off a shovel.. 💩 |
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Post by shepley58 on Sept 14, 2022 10:55:12 GMT 1
DS was overpromoted. Too much too soon. I am sure he did his honest best and I hope he bounces back somewhere else.
A manager (or head coach) often needs to keep his distance from players - he can’t be their mate all the time as he may need to discipline/drop/sell them tomorrow. The arm round the shoulder/mentor role often falls to the assistants who tend to have a different relationship with players.
I am not convinced that stepping up from assistant to manager, other than as a caretaker, is a good idea. Ambitions can be fulfilled in more than one way.
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Post by irverino on Sept 14, 2022 10:55:40 GMT 1
Danny had setbacks early in his playing career & almost packed up completely after his brother past away, he bounced back then & he will this time, 'hindsight' should of told Dean wasn't ready to step up yet, easily said now though........who next? Impossible to guess with choice on offer, huge decision for Dean..
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Post by Five Lamps on Sept 14, 2022 10:55:43 GMT 1
I said at the time of his appointment that this had the potential to go the same way as Michael Collins at City, i.e. being promoted from a steady job to head coach, having a bad start, being thrown under the bus and kicked out of the club. I do feel sorry for Danny in that respect.
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Post by stanton1969 on Sept 14, 2022 10:58:23 GMT 1
it's a shame it didn't work out but when you're not spending big on players then the coaching and tactics have to make up for a lot. CC did that, but DS just clearly couldn't. The players looked lost, confused, frustrated, and that was all translating into a lack of confidence which was just getting worse.
Because of our spending and wages policy Town have to work more in the margins than a lot of other teams.
Obviously his replacement is now a crucial appointment so I hope it is well considered and sensible to give us a chance at having a half decent rest of the season.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 10:59:20 GMT 1
Well, whatever happens next, it's a bit of a shitshow. Maybe it's because it was a night match, but this has the same feeling as when we got rid of Clark(e), after the game with Sheff Utd (I think).
Hopefully we'll get the new manager kick, but more importantly let's see how these players perform on Saturday. That will be a good indicator of whether the problems were simply managerial, or more deep rooted back office things.
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2022 11:00:44 GMT 1
I don't think Wagner would want to come back, as much as it would lift the while club. Give him a 2 year deal.. Basic 1/2 million a year.. £1milliion promotion bonus.. He’d be here like shit off a shovel.. 💩 You mean pay money to get a proper manager in charge? Nonsense. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 14, 2022 11:02:59 GMT 1
Can’t help but think somethings in place. Well I hope somethings in place
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 11:03:11 GMT 1
New PM, new Monarch, new Town Mgr...
A remarkable few days for any Tory Royalist Terrier... :-) :-)
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 14, 2022 11:04:04 GMT 1
I can't understand anyone on here not feeling sorry for Danny, he was, & will always be, one of us. I loved watching him as a player & he's obviously a great bloke.
However, that doesn't make him a good manager & he had to go after last night, it was plain to see that giving him more time would not help the situation.
The big mistake Dean made though is not making him interim manager/head coach.
I hope the players are as good as we think they are - I guess it all depends how you view players that have one really good career season, like Kachunga & Tommy Smith in the promotion year, did Nicholls & Lees have theirs last season? Hopefully, with the right appointment, we can see that the squad does have real quality & just needs a reset, however, I feel quite a lot of us on here felt we massively overachieved lat season & relied far too much on a GK who had a ridiculously good season & set piece goals, the number of which is highly unlikely to be repeated.
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Post by waggers on Sept 14, 2022 11:06:19 GMT 1
Even though it felt inevitable I still feel sad for the feller  Agreed, never had any anger towards the lad and have felt bad for him throughout it all. He was offered the job and took it, nobody can blame him for that. Good luck to him and I hope he continues to learn and gets another chance somewhere else. Good luck Danny. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 14, 2022 11:07:58 GMT 1
He didn’t have the reputation required to get the player’s respect. They were very nice about him in interviews but referred to him as Danny. Wagner was never Dave.
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Post by shepley58 on Sept 14, 2022 11:09:27 GMT 1
I can't understand anyone on here not feeling sorry for Danny, he was, & will always be, one of us. I loved watching him as a player & he's obviously a great bloke. However, that doesn't make him a good manager & he had to go after last night, it was plain to see that giving him more time would not help the situation. The big mistake Dean made though is not making him interim manager/head coach. I hope the players are as good as we think they are - I guess it all depends how you view players that have one really good career season, like Kachunga & Tommy Smith in the promotion year, did Nicholls & Lees have theirs last season? Hopefully, with the right appointment, we can see that the squad does have real quality & just needs a reset, however, I feel quite a lot of us on here felt we massively overachieved lat season & relied far too much on a GK who had a ridiculously good season & set piece goals, the number of which is highly unlikely to be repeated. The other feature last season was a solid and cohesive back line anchored by Lees and Pearson who, once they gelled (and it took a few games) played every game they were available. That must have helped Nicholls immensely. Too much chopping and changing so far. What odds on Nakayama playing up front on Saturday? |
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Post by bogart on Sept 14, 2022 11:11:41 GMT 1
Will troll out the old cliché footabll is about results. Unfortunately ours were shite.
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