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Post by ACW on Sept 14, 2022 11:14:13 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the players will stop actively hiding from the ball when the new coach comes in?
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Post by samhudds on Sept 14, 2022 11:21:23 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper.
Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No.
Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently.
I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy.
I'll await the pelters
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Sept 14, 2022 11:22:47 GMT 1
Yet not a concept unknown at other clubs and other levels, and given Yuta showed in his first couple of games he can pass a ball it makes sense. What didn't work was his inability to move into space, meaning he was shadowed by 3 players giving our centre halves no real option to give him the ball. I accept if it is strange for many but I won't accept he is better played as a left wing back in Toffolo's old role. He's anything but that player. Then use Ruffells. Or Jackson. They wouldn't have faired any worse. You're not wrong, Jackson probably deserved a chance when Ruffells was seemingly struggling. He might not be championship quality but as Jones has proven, you can still be effective even if short-term. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 14, 2022 11:23:06 GMT 1
The players ARE the managers nowadays.... if they don’t like a manager / coach or take to his tactics then it’s down tools and game management to get rid of the manager - and it’d never have happened under bosses like Shankley, Stein Busby, Ferguson, and Souness, Smith and McLean at Dundee United up here... It’ll be interesting to see if these same players climb up the table if they ‘like’ Danny’s replacement... Disgraceful if that turns out to be the case ! Sorry westy but that’s bollox.. Ds didn’t have a scoooby.. It’s not the players weren’t trying.. No method, pattern , organisation or system.. Talented squad badly coached.. I don’t blame Danny btw.. Should never have got the gig.. 🍻 The performance yesterday was the final nail for me. There were moments when we looked decent but there was no hint of a gameplan, the players didn't seem to know what the manager wanted, and they looked like they'd never played together before. Thought he'd still be here for Saturday, though after last night I couldn't see him turning it around. It was the wrong decision to give him the job, but hindsight is 20/20. Out of interest, is Hoyle out of the country like he usually is when he sacks a coach? If he gets this next appointment right, someone needs to confiscate his passport! |
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Post by shepley58 on Sept 14, 2022 11:29:58 GMT 1
I don't think Wagner would want to come back, as much as it would lift the while club. Give him a 2 year deal.. Basic 1/2 million a year.. £1milliion promotion bonus.. He’d be here like shit off a shovel.. 💩 I imagine that’s quite a bonus to get a team out of League One. 😁 Trying to recreate past glories rarely works much though I love Herr Wagner. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 11:31:13 GMT 1
Hoyle & Bromby threw him under the bus after Carlos’ late exit Was never going to be easy with a stronger league, losing 3 players who would get in any championship team, Sinani too, much weaker squad, unbalanced squad, signings too late, Carlos quitting so late, minimal pre season Only 4 of yesterday’s team started the play off final … that’s some change in a short period Feel sorry for him - his managerial career ruined before it’s started. Unlucky for Danny we don’t have a owner whose business which could go bust which saved Carlos in his first season But clearly can’t go on losing 6 in 8 - simply relegation form We’ve now also lost a well respected coach who had he been given a chance at the right time with right support might have succeeded - rather than thrown in deep end Incompetence from the top of the highest order Who trusts them to get it right now? Not me |
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Post by harris on Sept 14, 2022 11:32:56 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 |
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Post by ronknee on Sept 14, 2022 11:33:08 GMT 1
Just been checking some of the comments on Schofield's original appointment. A very large number saw this coming. And remember Bromby's words? 'We've worked really hard with Danny for him to understand how we want to play...' Who exactly were 'we'? Just Hoyle and Bromby? Looking at what followed it certainly didn't include the fans. And all that talk of 'continuity' and 'stability' has now been exposed as the nonsense it always was. Currently the balance at the top is wrong and Bromby in particular needs to step back and accept that, despite the pompous job title, he is in fact chief scout and transfer-arranger. If his skills in terms of tactics, player assessment and man-management are that good then why isn't he the head coach? We now need someone in charge who is strong enough to insist on complete control but not many immediately spring to mind.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 14, 2022 11:36:25 GMT 1
It's pretty sad that most of us could see this coming back in July.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 11:37:59 GMT 1
I might get pilloried for this, but... When you look at the 2 obvious success stories, they've come from a background of being more tuned into the man management, the intelligence side of coaching, the sports science, the marginal gains stuff. Both were former players, but both of them were studious about the game. Maybe the simple reason that DS didn't work out, is that he's an ex player with his coaching badges, and whilst he would no doubt have tried to be studious about things, he's clearly nowhere near the same level as Wagner & Corberan. Both of those coaches had a decent apprenticeship, Danny is still at the start of that apprenticeship in reality. Good luck to the bloke, he'll have learnt a lot in a short time, and hope he gets another gig at the right place to continue his career at the right level, for now... Fair point on apprenticeships Wagner learned and was very close to klopp - no doubt soundboarded him even when he worked at town Corberan was bielsa’s prodigy and probably leaned on that experience at times DS had no older head. In fact the only coaching hire town made was an out of work ex Brum coach who schofield didn’t know or had worked with. And who's now caretaker 🙄 |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 14, 2022 11:38:49 GMT 1
He didn’t have the reputation required to get the player’s respect. They were very nice about him in interviews but referred to him as Danny. Wagner was never Dave. Carlos was always referred to as Carlos last season. I get what you mean though, he didn't seem to have a sternness about him that you sometimes need to get people to fall in line or listen. Carlos is probably the sternest manager we ever had |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 11:42:06 GMT 1
I don't think Wagner would want to come back, as much as it would lift the while club. Give him a 2 year deal.. Basic 1/2 million a year.. £1milliion promotion bonus.. He’d be here like shit off a shovel.. 💩 And if he was as shit as he was at Schalke and Young Boys..........🤔 |
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Post by Hazza on Sept 14, 2022 11:44:01 GMT 1
I think in any leadership position in industry or business you are judged not only by what you achieve personally but also by who you recruit and their performance. It is a measure of your professional judgement. Dean and LB obviously felt that Danny had the ability, skills and potential to do a great (good) job in the role. The fact that they were totally incorrect reflects very poorly on them. As to which of them should shoulder the blame - hard to know but LB appears to be hugely subservient to Dean so I know where I would point the blame.
As far as Danny goes - he was never going to turn it down - how many people turn down jobs because they doubt they can perform - it's always a personal risk taking a promotion.
I think the interesting point with the next appointment is that what we need right now might not be the profile of a Head Coach that we want for the longer term - do we trust the DH/LB combo to recognise that and make the right decision? I don't think I do.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 11:44:15 GMT 1
New PM, new Monarch, new Town Mgr... A remarkable few days for any Tory Royalist Terrier... :-) :-) Or Slapps as he's known 😁 |
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Post by prepare on Sept 14, 2022 11:44:41 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters fair post |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Sept 14, 2022 11:44:58 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 Blimey. 1/3 for David Wagner. Do they know something we don't? |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 14, 2022 11:45:38 GMT 1
Give him a 2 year deal.. Basic 1/2 million a year.. £1milliion promotion bonus.. He’d be here like shit off a shovel.. 💩 And if he was as shit as he was at Schalke and Young Boys..........🤔 Said this before schalke were a basket case behind the scenes when it went tits up the dropped like a stone, didn’t he finish 2nd with young boys? |
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Post by harris on Sept 14, 2022 11:47:11 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 Blimey. 1/3 for David Wagner. Do they know something we don't? Raising odds of all the others significantly too. Nows the time for the hundreds of ITKs that have popped up recently to make us all rich! |
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Post by sonny on Sept 14, 2022 11:47:32 GMT 1
Hang on for a while. Steve Cooper should be available in about a month.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 11:53:31 GMT 1
And if he was as shit as he was at Schalke and Young Boys..........🤔 Said this before schalke were a basket case behind the scenes when it went tits up the dropped like a stone, didn’t he finish 2nd with young boys? Weren't they champions when he went and finished miles behind in 2nd with him in charge. If you're right about Schalke how would he go on here with the Chuckle Brithers fucking everything up behind the scenes 🤔 Just checked his wiki page In the second half of the 2019–20 season, Schalke set a new club record of 16 league games without a win between 25 January and 27 June 2020.[26] The winless streak continued with an 0–8 defeat against Bayern Munich in the first match of the 2020–21 season.[27] After a 3–1 defeat against Werder Bremen, the 18th winless league match in a row, Wagner was sacked on 27 September 2020. Wagner was unable to lead the Bern-based club to a fourth consecutive league title and was dismissed in March 2022. The team were in second place, 15 points behind FC Zürich. |
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Sept 14, 2022 11:53:45 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 That’s a depressing list to say the least. Farke stands out, but no chance. No mention of Torrent after the rumours of a meeting in Manchester. |
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Post by otterman on Sept 14, 2022 11:58:37 GMT 1
I hear Hoyle has offered the position to the kit man, but he’s turned it down. Says he can’t afford to drop salary that much.
Run on the cheap, you get what you pay for.
We were miraculously fortunate with Wagner and Corberan in the space of a few years.
That luck is not going to be repeated, is it.
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 12:04:19 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters fair post Funny, was just gonna ask if samhudds was another one of yours or Steve's personas who can see DH doing absolutely nothing wrong ever. Being their first ever post and all that. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 12:04:56 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 That’s a depressing list to say the least. Farke stands out, but no chance. No mention of Torrent after the rumours of a meeting in Manchester. Chris ? |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 14, 2022 12:05:20 GMT 1
Deano will have to get the wallet out now.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 12:05:25 GMT 1
At least DATM gets the excitement of guessing who the next manager/coach is going to be... we were cheated out of it last time!
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:05:57 GMT 1
That’s a depressing list to say the least. Farke stands out, but no chance. No mention of Torrent after the rumours of a meeting in Manchester. Chris ? We’re appearing on the show to supplement our next transfer budget. |
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Post by cuz on Sept 14, 2022 12:06:31 GMT 1
Domènec Torrent - would be a good shout given links couple of weeks back.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 12:06:45 GMT 1
Deano will have to get the wallet out now. He'll be ringing round the District League clubs to see if anyone's interested part time |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:10:21 GMT 1
First I've heard of the Domenec Torrent links. First I've heard of Domenec Torrent even. Would be a real statement as he was on Guardiola's coaching staff from Barca B right up to Man City. I would be very surprised if he did come here though
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