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Post by samhudds on Sept 14, 2022 12:10:34 GMT 1
Funny, was just gonna ask if samhudds was another one of yours or Steve's personas who can see DH doing absolutely nothing wrong ever. Being their first ever post and all that. It's not my first post, I have no idea why it is showing as my first! Either way, Hoyle has done wrong, he will admit that, so do I, but to say he chucked Danny under the bus is just nonsense really. |
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Post by yorik on Sept 14, 2022 12:11:58 GMT 1
Had to happen but feel for Schofield has been thrown under the bus didn't have the experience needed at this level
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:13:06 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the players will stop actively hiding from the ball when the new coach comes in? It’s not a given. I suspect a few are not wanting the ball through a lack of confidence. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 14, 2022 12:14:19 GMT 1
He's at Rotherham isn't he? Nearly retired at this stage now. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 12:14:34 GMT 1
Funny, was just gonna ask if samhudds was another one of yours or Steve's personas who can see DH doing absolutely nothing wrong ever. Being their first ever post and all that. It's not my first post, I have no idea why it is showing as my first! Either way, Hoyle has done wrong, he will admit that, so do I, but to say he chucked Danny under the bus is just nonsense really. Cudos for replying sam. And you're definitely not prepare/positive or Steve, you've actually put in writing that DH has done wrong.  I'm one of the (hopeful) DH "supporters" but have to disagree about Danny being chucked under a bus, personally think he has been. Although I recognise the point others have made about he didn't HAVE to accept the job, I wonder if anyone would turn it down after being offered it, whether they thought they were ready or not? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 12:14:58 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters It was a superb opportunity for any manager especially a novice one. Losing two of our better players does not account for the abject slump in results and the individual performances of those that remained, not when we've also refreshed the squad with new usable signings to replace the dead wood. Moving forward Wagner seems the obvious candidate just now. Id find it almost unconceivable that during Wagners visit a few weeks ago that Hoyle wouldn't have bounced the idea of returning off him, knowing as he did then that Schofield was struggling and there was a decent chance he'd be having to change managers soon. from Wagners point of view, his stock now is low having not had the best of times at Schalke and Young Boys. Basically is he likely to get a better job offer than us ? Perhaps not. from Hoyle's, its a man he knows very well and got on with very well. A manager who has proven to him that he can make an immediate impact and go on to achieve amazing things. So does he fancy returning here.. moving back to this area of the UK with his family? Taking on a similar challenge to the one he found when he first arrived here. A squad bereft of confidence and in a slump. But this time he'd arrive as an experienced manager and at this club an established hero and even before his first game, just his return would give the whole club a massive, much needed boost in morale. I could certainly see it happening. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:15:37 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the players will stop actively hiding from the ball when the new coach comes in? Yes the Players will no doubt be swanning around in their fancy cars today, couldn't give a shit. Whereas poor Danny is probably at home in bits being consoled by his family. He would have been desperate to make a success of this and the vast majority of us were behind him. Never mind Hoyle or Schofield or Bromby. The Players (most of them) have a lot to answer for here and need to take a long hard look at themselves today. The part they have played in our season to date and where we find ourselves has not been debated enough in my opinion. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 14, 2022 12:17:25 GMT 1
Is there anything from the ITK’s to give us something to get excited about? Rumours etc?
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:18:45 GMT 1
Domènec Torrent - would be a good shout given links couple of weeks back. He would get a Torrent of abuse on here if he didn’t improve us ! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 12:20:33 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the players will stop actively hiding from the ball when the new coach comes in? Yes the Players will no doubt be swanning around in their fancy cars today, couldn't give a shit. Whereas poor Danny is probably at home in bits being consoled by his family. He would have been desperate to make a success of this and the vast majority of us were behind him. Never mind Hoyle or Schofield or Bromby. The Players (most of them) have a lot to answer for here and need to take a long hard look at themselves today. The part they have played in our season to date and where we find ourselves has not been debated enough in my opinion. Exactly. Its the players who have thrown Schofield under a bus. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 14, 2022 12:23:51 GMT 1
It was a gamble that didnt pay off. Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments. 2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield ) I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics. Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players. Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done. Not actually too bad a return two out of five is it? Suggests the next one or possibly the one after will be another good one. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 14, 2022 12:24:55 GMT 1
Maybe when CC dropped the fuck off bomb and left us royally in the shit, schofield stepped up to fill in until an agreement could be made with a long term successor to CC. Now that successor has been identified Danny’s been binned off. Maybe it was treated as work experience for him, no need for a knee jerk reaction in appointing anyone with big get out Clauses should it not workout. Might even go as far as to say DH was testing the water with DW return to see the reaction? I don’t smoke crack honest 🤣
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:25:00 GMT 1
Yes the Players will no doubt be swanning around in their fancy cars today, couldn't give a shit. Whereas poor Danny is probably at home in bits being consoled by his family. He would have been desperate to make a success of this and the vast majority of us were behind him. Never mind Hoyle or Schofield or Bromby. The Players (most of them) have a lot to answer for here and need to take a long hard look at themselves today. The part they have played in our season to date and where we find ourselves has not been debated enough in my opinion. Exactly. Its the players who have thrown Schofield under a bus. Agreed Captain, I hope the next Manager is an absolute b*****d, you know the type we have all worked for at some point!. It's what this lot deserve and need right now. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 14, 2022 12:28:00 GMT 1
It was a gamble that didnt pay off. Thats 4 very similar gambles on novice coaches we've made out of the last 5 appointments. 2 of them paid off very well ( Wagner and Carlos ) and two of them didnt ( Seivert and Schofield ) I feel a bit for Schofield. Yes he made a few odd tactical decisions, but I think the players have let him down so badly its untrue. Players we know are good ( they proved it last season ) just doing crap things time and again that arent anything to do with tactics. Its spread through them all more or less. Players like Lees, ward and Nicholls who were so consistent and good last season, but now are a shadow of that. Blunders all over the place. Thomas and Russell looking like non league quality players. Right decision though. he cant get a song out of this squad so something had to be done. The players ARE the managers nowadays.... if they don’t like a manager / coach or take to his tactics then it’s down tools and game management to get rid of the manager - but it’d never have happened under bosses like Shankley, Stein Busby, Ferguson, and Souness, Smith and McLean at Dundee United up here... It’ll be interesting to see if these same players climb up the table if they ‘like’ Danny’s replacement... Disgraceful if that turns out to be the case ! They better bloody climb up the table |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 12:28:55 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the players will stop actively hiding from the ball when the new coach comes in? It’s not a given. I suspect a few are not wanting the ball through a lack of confidence. I was a bit dismayed last night watching players not busting a gut to track back. That needs to change. |
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Post by Fantoolong on Sept 14, 2022 12:29:01 GMT 1
I simply don't get the 'thrown under a bus'. Surely Danny knew the drill,he was offered a job and said 'yes'. He could have said no, but he chose to have a go, and he failed, but to suggest it is entirely the the fault of Dean Hoyle for chucking him under a bus is absurd. For what it's worth I would like to see Dean Hoyle go . I also hope Dann stays on as a coach, I suspect that will be difficult, but he clearly did a decent job previously.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:31:35 GMT 1
Good, completely out of his depth.
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Post by samhudds on Sept 14, 2022 12:31:49 GMT 1
It's not my first post, I have no idea why it is showing as my first! Either way, Hoyle has done wrong, he will admit that, so do I, but to say he chucked Danny under the bus is just nonsense really. Cudos for replying sam. And you're definitely not prepare/positive or Steve, you've actually put in writing that DH has done wrong. I'm one of the (hopeful) DH "supporters" but have to disagree about Danny being chucked under a bus, personally think he has been. Although I recognise the point others have made about he didn't HAVE to accept the job, I wonder if anyone would turn it down after being offered it, whether they thought they were ready or not? Just curious as to why you believe he was thrown under the bus? I'm very much a sit on the fence person and try and take both sides of the argument. From a different angle, do you believe that Danny would be pissed off if Hoyle had brought someone in over the top of him and gone against his word? I could be wrong, but I would imaging Danny was rubbing his hands when offered the opportunity. I think Hoyle realised what an uphill task it was, and felt he had to back him in the market because if this didn't happen, then I would agree, he was put into a position that was in decline with no backing, but I don't feel this did happened? For all the incredible things Hoyle has done for this club, he's certainly one of the reasons we are where we are now. Do I believe he has it in him to get us out of this mess? Again I don't know, I don't feel he has the fire in his belly that he used to have, I think he knows that he has lost many fans in his second stint, and I do sometimes believe he is protecting his assets (loan), but is he entitled to do that? Either way, massive couple of weeks ahead, if Hoyle doesn't get it right, then I do fear fir him |
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Post by tonyleighton2 on Sept 14, 2022 12:32:50 GMT 1
Bromby to blame he signed lower league players and injured players, , we lost 6 championship players in the summer not one replaced, that’s why Carlos left Schofield was set up.
We need a striker goal scorer not had one for 5 years yet Brombly is only interested in defenders and midfield players,
Hope it’s not negative Wagner we need someone to save us more important if we go down someone who can bring us back at the first attempt
Frame yourself Dean this is a massive wake up to poor decisions by the board
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Post by benhomly on Sept 14, 2022 12:34:09 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters Agree in the main apart from the highlighted bit. Hoyle has made many mistakes in his tenure at Town but I don't remember him ever acknowledging that fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 12:34:18 GMT 1
Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. Bromby gave him the chance and championed his cause to the board. From what I hear, Danny had buried his head in the sand and was unwilling to take advice and help on board. |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Sept 14, 2022 12:34:38 GMT 1
Deano will have to get the wallet out now. The Queen is wearing sunglasses on Dean's Tenners. |
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 12:35:46 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Jan 2013 - Simon Grayson sacked
Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 9 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 12:40:38 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 8 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. The way the game is these days, id imagine theres nothing particularly unusual in that. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 14, 2022 12:41:02 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters Good points |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 12:43:57 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 8 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. The way the game is these days, id imagine theres nothing particularly unusual in that. Not great, but pretty good compared to a few clubs ! |
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 14, 2022 12:44:03 GMT 1
This whole Hoyle giving him a shit hand is a load of bollocks. And before you say it I'm not a Hoyle worshiper. Schofield was offered a managers position last year, of which he turned down and was given assurances that he would be next in line after Carlos (this has been made pretty public). Yes its happened sooner rather than later, do you think Hoyle wanted it to be this quick? No. Carlos leaves, and Hoyle and Bromby are true to their word and offered him the chance. Do you really think they said to him, you have to take it or you're gone? No, it was offered and he ACCEPTED. No it's not worked out, is it Hoyles fault? No, infact quite the opposite because he actually backed Danny in the market more than any other manager recently. I get people are pissed off, maybe the mistake was initially when they agreed that Danny would be next in line after Carlos, because he clearly wasn't ready, but he was true to his word and it didn't work out. Let's judge him on this next appointment and at the end of the year. Yes he's made mistakes, he will be the first to admit it, but all of this Hoyles bashing over Danny not working out is crazy. I'll await the pelters What an excellent well balanced post this is. No matter what your view point is on what has gone on, you cannot disagree with this. |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 14, 2022 12:44:47 GMT 1
Deano will have to get the wallet out now. The Queen is wearing sunglasses on Dean's Tenners. Not skiing goggles then?!!! |
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 12:46:14 GMT 1
Cudos for replying sam. And you're definitely not prepare/positive or Steve, you've actually put in writing that DH has done wrong. I'm one of the (hopeful) DH "supporters" but have to disagree about Danny being chucked under a bus, personally think he has been. Although I recognise the point others have made about he didn't HAVE to accept the job, I wonder if anyone would turn it down after being offered it, whether they thought they were ready or not? Just curious as to why you believe he was thrown under the bus? I'm very much a sit on the fence person and try and take both sides of the argument. From a different angle, do you believe that Danny would be pissed off if Hoyle had brought someone in over the top of him and gone against his word? I could be wrong, but I would imaging Danny was rubbing his hands when offered the opportunity. I think Hoyle realised what an uphill task it was, and felt he had to back him in the market because if this didn't happen, then I would agree, he was put into a position that was in decline with no backing, but I don't feel this did happened? For all the incredible things Hoyle has done for this club, he's certainly one of the reasons we are where we are now. Do I believe he has it in him to get us out of this mess? Again I don't know, I don't feel he has the fire in his belly that he used to have, I think he knows that he has lost many fans in his second stint, and I do sometimes believe he is protecting his assets (loan), but is he entitled to do that? Either way, massive couple of weeks ahead, if Hoyle doesn't get it right, then I do fear fir him Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! |
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Post by mrg on Sept 14, 2022 12:48:19 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 8 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. Or 13 if you go from 2009. I get your point though, it still makes it very hard work to manage change especially in a 100m + organisation. |
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