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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 12:50:02 GMT 1
Just curious as to why you believe he was thrown under the bus? I'm very much a sit on the fence person and try and take both sides of the argument. From a different angle, do you believe that Danny would be pissed off if Hoyle had brought someone in over the top of him and gone against his word? I could be wrong, but I would imaging Danny was rubbing his hands when offered the opportunity. I think Hoyle realised what an uphill task it was, and felt he had to back him in the market because if this didn't happen, then I would agree, he was put into a position that was in decline with no backing, but I don't feel this did happened? For all the incredible things Hoyle has done for this club, he's certainly one of the reasons we are where we are now. Do I believe he has it in him to get us out of this mess? Again I don't know, I don't feel he has the fire in his belly that he used to have, I think he knows that he has lost many fans in his second stint, and I do sometimes believe he is protecting his assets (loan), but is he entitled to do that? Either way, massive couple of weeks ahead, if Hoyle doesn't get it right, then I do fear fir him Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. |
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 12:50:55 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 8 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. Or 13 if you go from 2009. I get your point though, it still makes it very hard work to manage change especially in a 100m + organisation. I've only included those since Hoyle took over... |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Sept 14, 2022 12:53:42 GMT 1
Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. That's just commonsense! |
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 12:54:30 GMT 1
Or 13 if you go from 2009. I get your point though, it still makes it very hard work to manage change especially in a 100m + organisation. I've only included those since Hoyle took over... and i've missed out simon grayson, sacked jan 2013
so 9 managers in 12 years
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Post by alexdire on Sept 14, 2022 12:55:41 GMT 1
Dealt a shite hand Danny lad. Club from above should hang their heads in shame. Hung him out to dry Nonsense. he inherited a good squad, that minus just 3 players of any note had finished 3rd . We signed a load of new players, spending getting on for £3m. It wasnt remotely like a shite hand. 1/2 of that £3m played his first game last night. |
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Post by impact on Sept 14, 2022 12:58:29 GMT 1
Feb 2012 - lee Clark sacked Jan 2013 - Simon Grayson sacked
Aug 2014 - Mark Robins quit Nov 2015 - Chris Powell sacked jan 2019 - David Wagner quit Aug 2019 - jan Siewert sacked Jul 2020 - Dan Cowley sacked Jul 2022 - Carlos Coberan quit Sep 2022 - Danny Schofield sacked interim managers Mark Lillis (x3) Mark Hudson (x2) Danny Schofield (x1) Pelach/Harsley 9 managers and 4 interim managers in 10 years. That's pretty average. I think average tenure in the UK from a few years back was something like 14 months. |
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Post by impact on Sept 14, 2022 13:01:01 GMT 1
Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Because he'd have taken the permanent job abroad. Why take a temporary job when an employer has essentially said we don't really trust you, over something full time where the club wants you? It was either give him the job or he goes. The club clearly thought he was too good to let go. Unfortunately, for both Danny and the club, it was the wrong decision. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 14, 2022 13:04:44 GMT 1
So we’re back to Bromby being shit again are we?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 13:05:01 GMT 1
I've only included those since Hoyle took over... and i've missed out simon grayson, sacked jan 2013 so 9 managers in 12 years Think clubs who either do well and are near the top or do badly and are near the bottom tend to go through a lot of managers, either sacking them or them resigning. Just trying to remember the last time we were a plodding along mid-table side. It seems for years now we've either been at the top end or at the bottom end. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 13:06:20 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Because he'd have taken the permanent job abroad. Why take a temporary job when an employer has essentially said we don't really trust you, over something full time where the club wants you? It was either give him the job or he goes. The club clearly thought he was too good to let go. Unfortunately, for both Danny and the club, it was the wrong decision. I thought he got offered the Belgium job earlier in the summer, before CC left. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 13:07:23 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! Its Michael Bentines potty time again. |
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Post by detox on Sept 14, 2022 13:09:14 GMT 1
Makes these comments look a bit dubious now..
"Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been.."
So what now of continuity and succession plans, because this has gone horribly wrong Dean ?
Mind you, had DS been given a chance with a couple of experienced heads in the team....
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 14, 2022 13:15:16 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! Bleeding the club dry?? Christ 😂 |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 14, 2022 13:17:35 GMT 1
So we’re back to Bromby being shit again are we? Yes No back up goal keeper No left back Boyle ? Why? Rudhoni in no shape or form is Lewis. Kasumo yes that’s a tic Yuto - yes at left centre back. KKH - young player. Has ability but not in a relegation battle Anjorin - could be great needs the right manager Simpson - striker that’s injured until Xmas. Will probably then get a few soft muscle injuries. Returning players often do. Mahoney - no game time in 18 months. Why? Helik - looks rusty but should be a good signing Mbate- unfair to compare him to Levi. Clearly naive at the min. Danny - dealt an awful hand. Job too big for him. So all Bromby’s decisions. An unbalanced squad. With too many young and potential players. Needed some experience. Has to go as well. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 14, 2022 13:18:10 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! Bleeding the club dry?? Christ 😂 Bleeding the club dry by putting £5m a year in? Still glad the kids agree with their dad. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 14, 2022 13:24:11 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! Would that be the royal "we" |
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Post by mallyb on Sept 14, 2022 13:35:03 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! Its Michael Bentines potty time again. Agreed Captain. I have been critical of Dean at times since the sale but don't know what he has done wrong here. Spent more than I expected this summer and have signed some good players (always a gamble). They knew it was a bit sooner than Danny expected but had little choice if he wanted a chance after convincing him not to take the other job. 8 games is plenty to see direction of travel and they are now making a change. Really need to get behind the new guy and the club (including Dean)or league 1 will be a self fulfilling prophesy. Whether you like Dean or not he is putting £5-10m in a season at the minute. That deserves some respect and patience. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 13:45:25 GMT 1
Bleeding the club dry?? Christ 😂 Bleeding the club dry by putting £5m a year in? Still glad the kids agree with their dad. My moneys on this being a Forest fan on the wind up. 'Orchard' might be a clue. You'd think he'd be more concerned with their start to the season and their manager being linked to Brighton,, and the likelihood they'll go bust if they go down.. but maybe we're just more interesting. I dont think any genuine Town fan would post such unfathomable horseshit on a consistent basis anyway. |
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Post by impact on Sept 14, 2022 13:49:35 GMT 1
Because he'd have taken the permanent job abroad. Why take a temporary job when an employer has essentially said we don't really trust you, over something full time where the club wants you? It was either give him the job or he goes. The club clearly thought he was too good to let go. Unfortunately, for both Danny and the club, it was the wrong decision. I thought he got offered the Belgium job earlier in the summer, before CC left. Not sure on exact timings of when he decided whether to stay or not. He definitely had the offer by the play off final at which point he was told he was next. I guess we hadn't appreciated how quickly Corberan would jump ship. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 14, 2022 13:51:56 GMT 1
Its Michael Bentines potty time again. Agreed Captain. I have been critical of Dean at times since the sale but don't know what he has done wrong here. Spent more than I expected this summer and have signed some good players (always a gamble). They knew it was a bit sooner than Danny expected but had little choice if he wanted a chance after convincing him not to take the other job. 8 games is plenty to see direction of travel and they are now making a change. Really need to get behind the new guy and the club (including Dean)or league 1 will be a self fulfilling prophesy. Whether you like Dean or not he is putting £5-10m in a season at the minute. That deserves some respect and patience. Whilst i would ordinarily agree with both you and slapps on the personal jibes and nasty vitriol towards dean i do understand some frustrations. Deans words on DS appointment "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been". He got 9 games and is no longer in the clubs employ!!! Makes no sense however you look at it - i get the continuity argument but the openness and transparency has been seemingly replaced with guff. I think many would have more sympathy with an open "i messed up / its not worked but its now up to me and the staff/team to sort it"statement. The opaque structure of the original sale deal haunts his tenure given his historic openness and will do unless things change massively and quickly - very sad given the strong and continued investment which lets face it few if any others could or would want to inject. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 14, 2022 13:57:52 GMT 1
Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Maybe Danny wouldn’t accept caretaker role?….. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 14, 2022 14:04:38 GMT 1
After the first game we made Burnley look like Manchester City and there were people saying they were wonderful and we were not so bad. Burnley took some time to win the next game and the performances and results have shown we really are poor. Giving DS more time has only given us more of a hill to climb. Whatever your thoughts on him been given a poison chalice or not is moot. What we need now is to get the team organised and start climbing out of the relegation zone. Based on previous decisions made by the club they need to up their game because it has not been good for a while now, maybe they could ask Phil for some guidance  |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 14:08:31 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Maybe Danny wouldn’t accept caretaker role?….. Perhaps. But it's up to the people that are good at this sort of thing to persuade him... i.e. sell it to him. If it turns out he still didn't want the job, then let him go. All good experience and he may return in future. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Sept 14, 2022 14:08:58 GMT 1
Anyone see any value in the Skybet odds? I don’t see it being Wagner - maybe wrong - but far too short surely. Chicho 25/1 - if we win on Saturday, coupled with a lack of options out there right now, he might get a chance and it is in line with the succession plan. Feel Liam Manning is a very town appointment at 12/1 too. m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/30225832 That’s a depressing list to say the least. Farke stands out, but no chance. Farke is now managing Borussia Monchengladbach. Don't think we can poach him from them ? |
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Sept 14, 2022 14:10:14 GMT 1
That’s a depressing list to say the least. Farke stands out, but no chance. Farke is now managing Borussia Monchengladbach. Don't think we can poach him from them ? I had not realised that. No chance! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 14:19:59 GMT 1
Like I said I understand the point of view about Danny taking the job and not having to, but I'm of the opinion he patently wasn't ready and he shouldn't have been offered the job but DH and LB saw it as the cheap option. Who wouldn't take a promotion and possibly pay rise when offered? I also hold CC to blame as well, although, again, who's to say if DH made him promises that he then reneged on? But I think, personally, CC was tapped up and knew the Olympiakos job would be available shortly. I've said in other threads that I'm MASSIVELY hoping pre-PL Dean turns up when the ownership is sorted, but think he is trying to run things as cheaply as possible until then, which is where throwing Danny under the bus comes in. I think DH only splashed the cash at the last minute when he realised how tits-up it was going. Obviously I could be completely wrong, other opinions are absolutely valid and I hate the personal vitriol that DH and others get on here. Anonymous warriors hiding behind a keyboard and computer screen mostly! I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 14:30:07 GMT 1
Funny, was just gonna ask if samhudds was another one of yours or Steve's personas who can see DH doing absolutely nothing wrong ever. Being their first ever post and all that. It's not my first post, I have no idea why it is showing as my first! Either way, Hoyle has done wrong, he will admit that, so do I, but to say he chucked Danny under the bus is just nonsense really. He bloody won't admit that |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 15:09:07 GMT 1
Agreed Captain. I have been critical of Dean at times since the sale but don't know what he has done wrong here. Spent more than I expected this summer and have signed some good players (always a gamble). They knew it was a bit sooner than Danny expected but had little choice if he wanted a chance after convincing him not to take the other job. 8 games is plenty to see direction of travel and they are now making a change. Really need to get behind the new guy and the club (including Dean)or league 1 will be a self fulfilling prophesy. Whether you like Dean or not he is putting £5-10m in a season at the minute. That deserves some respect and patience. Whilst i would ordinarily agree with both you and slapps on the personal jibes and nasty vitriol towards dean i do understand some frustrations. Deans words on DS appointment "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been". He got 9 games and is no longer in the clubs employ!!! Makes no sense however you look at it - i get the continuity argument but the openness and transparency has been seemingly replaced with guff. I think many would have more sympathy with an open "i messed up / its not worked but its now up to me and the staff/team to sort it"statement. The opaque structure of the original sale deal haunts his tenure given his historic openness and will do unless things change massively and quickly - very sad given the strong and continued investment which lets face it few if any others could or would want to inject. Doesnt the fact he's had to sack Schofield 8 games in say ' I messed up appointing him / its not worked out' ? Do we really need an official statement saying that?? |
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Post by impact on Sept 14, 2022 15:11:43 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. Appoints him and gets slated for appointing him. Fans call for sacking. Sacks him because it isn't working. Fans call him hollow. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 14, 2022 15:13:13 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. Wrexham? Wherever it was, we did a pretty good job of ruining his life in 8 weeks. |
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