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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 15:15:12 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! So you sort of hate Dean Hoyle with every fibre of your being... but we'll see you at the game on Saturday. Did he nick your bike as a kid or something? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 15:15:26 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. How are those hollow words? It was clearly the plan.. the fact it hasnt worked out as hoped doesnt mean it wasnt the plan! Which club doesnt big up their new appointment to be as positive as they can? What did you expect?.. 'Carlos has left unexpectedly, so Ive decided to take a huge gamble on Danny as we've seen him as a future manager for a while , but I just hope he's ready for it." |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 15:17:55 GMT 1
The parasite that is bleeding our club dry Dean Hoyle has absolutely no credibility with me or my kids who do not want to continue following our beloved HTFC whilst he is owner. We support HTFC not the Dean Hoyle appreciation society! We will continue this season as we were duped into renewing by him, but not beyond this, which is a shame as have been loyal town fans for many years. I can absolutely guarantee that if Hoyle was NOT a Town fan (or one who has conveniently hidden behind the persona of being a supposed fan), that he would have no disciplines of followers who hang on his every word! None absolutely none! He would have been long gone! Instead he continues to prioritise, building and protecting his own personal fortune and wealth, (anyone can check out his huge growing portfolio of investments on companies house) whilst HTFC are run by him as a poor man's struggling, everything on the cheap club. This is why I detest him more than any owner we've ever had in the past and that is saying something. The man is an absolute fraud, a greedy one at that. He needs to leave the club fast and we need new owners/investment from someone who actually values the club and it's fans and backs it with their own ambition to take us forward to compete at the highest level LONG TERM! So you sort of hate Dean Hoyle with every fibre of your being... but we'll see you at the game on Saturday. Did he nick your bike as a kid or something? The only time orchard will have seen us lately was from the other end at Wembley. |
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Post by frankslegs on Sept 14, 2022 15:24:43 GMT 1
I’ve done two jobs in my life that I wasn’t good enough to do,knew that,but felt I had to do them for a lot of other reasons.
I really feel for Schofield as do so many articulate town fans on this site.I wish him and his family well.
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Post by frankslegs on Sept 14, 2022 15:26:52 GMT 1
PS - given my earlier comments on Hefele post I wonder how he felt with Heff being offered number 2 role under CC.It can’t have been easy.
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 15:27:25 GMT 1
Same with any public profile job impact - damned if you do damned if you don't. As the saying goes, you can't please all the people all the time! |
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Post by canterburyterrier on Sept 14, 2022 15:27:43 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out why they didn't make DS an interim manager, put the feelers out for a permanent one, but if the results were OK give DS the job. Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. DS was clearly seen by the club as a good coach who would in time step up to first team coach. This apparently happened earlier than expected/desired but was seen as the way forward. To many people it has become apparent that he was not yet up to the task. How this makes Dean Hoyle's words hollow I don't understand. Do you think DS should have remained as first team coach - most people on here clearly think not, a minority think he should have been given more time. I agree wholeheartedly with your final sentence. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 15:28:35 GMT 1
So you sort of hate Dean Hoyle with every fibre of your being... but we'll see you at the game on Saturday. Did he nick your bike as a kid or something? The only time orchard will have seen us lately was from the other end at Wembley. Oh I dunno Slaps, there were plenty of twigs in our end  |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 14, 2022 15:33:23 GMT 1
TBF I'm not seeing anything so far from orchard to suggest he's anything other than a Town fan.
Whether we agree with what he says is another matter.
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Post by Kenny irons on Sept 14, 2022 15:33:40 GMT 1
Anthony Barry
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Post by mosher on Sept 14, 2022 15:34:52 GMT 1
TBF I'm not seeing anything so far from orchard to suggest he's anything other than a Town fan. Whether we agree with what he says is another matter. I think I've said that before a while ago, my post was just a bit of fun in reply to Cap. |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 14, 2022 15:36:44 GMT 1
Anthony Barry Is on the list Very highly rated by the Chelsea loanees Well that's a start, he'd be a pretty useless coach without them * edit - well done on changing your wording before facetious posts like these started to litter the thread |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 15:39:57 GMT 1
TBF I'm not seeing anything so far from orchard to suggest he's anything other than a Town fan. Whether we agree with what he says is another matter. Really? I think when a new poster turns up and is so outrageously wrong and OTT in pretty much everything he says, then its a bit of a give away he's a WUM. the shit ones all make the same mistake and take it too far to be believable. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 14, 2022 15:41:00 GMT 1
Whilst i would ordinarily agree with both you and slapps on the personal jibes and nasty vitriol towards dean i do understand some frustrations. Deans words on DS appointment "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been". He got 9 games and is no longer in the clubs employ!!! Makes no sense however you look at it - i get the continuity argument but the openness and transparency has been seemingly replaced with guff. I think many would have more sympathy with an open "i messed up / its not worked but its now up to me and the staff/team to sort it"statement. The opaque structure of the original sale deal haunts his tenure given his historic openness and will do unless things change massively and quickly - very sad given the strong and continued investment which lets face it few if any others could or would want to inject. Doesnt the fact he's had to sack Schofield 8 games in say ' I messed up appointing him / its not worked out' ? Do we really need an official statement saying that?? I look at it from the opposite side capn - dean said he is a high quality much sought after coach who was always set for the job to no longer being employed after just 9 games. That surely cant be right and do we risk losing someone who was perhaps promoted a tad early thru no fault of his other than the acceptance of the "big job". That was Dean's call nobody elses. At the end of the day, its Dean's train set so to speak and so he can do what he likes...............but i don't think its unreasonable for some to question, particularly with what has happened since our all too brief days in the premier league sun! Whilst none of us know the precise detail nor perhaps should we, there is definitely an air of suspicion re where the club is going for a good number of supporters right now and the odd soundbite from him isn't calming it. That's sad given the positive impact dean has had on the club historically. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 15:44:40 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none.
Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ?
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 15:48:41 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? I think that Dr Nose is a chancer to be honest |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 14, 2022 15:49:24 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? i can understand why Wagner would want more control over signings. our current signing policy is all over the place. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 15:54:12 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? i can understand why Wagner would want more control over signings. our current signing policy is all over the place. I can see it now DH "David we would like you back at the club as per your old rolling contract terms. Leigh Bromby here will run you through our January transfers we have lined up" LB "So David we recognise we are light up top so we have managed to coax Danny Cadermarteri out of retirement. That's a real coup for us as he was in the sights of Meltham Veterans. We also recognise we are light on the left side so I'm delighted to say we have ex whirlwind John Thorrington lined up to make his eagerly anticipated return. Also on our list was Jon Stead and Jon Newby however there wasn't enough left in the pot to entice them over." |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 14, 2022 15:56:00 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? Sauce?? |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 14, 2022 16:03:02 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? Why would he come back? |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 14, 2022 16:08:01 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? Why would he come back? Seriously?? Money.. Challenge.. Adulation.. Excitement.. He’s a football man.. 🍻 |
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 14, 2022 16:08:36 GMT 1
I just dont think there is a debate to be had when it comes to it. He was given a chance, too many games chance to be honest, and its so glaringly obvious that he wasnt up to it. I cant recall ever having watched games where you have considered whether the manager had actually won a competition to manage the team for the day. Like others have said, DS accepted the job without a gun pointed at his head. He knew what the squad was at the time of accepting, he knew who was likely going to leave and who was going to be brought in. He had been in and around the club for a while now and knew exactly what he was taking on. He could have said no, I need more time, he could have said I will do it on an interim basis to gain experience.
I get that most wannabe managers wont turn down their first job offer as they would be worried they might not get another chance, and I respect that its very difficult to turn a job down in that position. But you also have to realise that from the moment you take that job on, you will be judged on every game you manage. We dont have a top 6 squad in my opinion, far from it, but I certainly dont think we have a squad that is managing half a point a game on average. We still have players in the team who were stand outs in the Championship last season. They dont go from looking like that to non league footballers in the space of a few games.
We will see what the next few games bring and that will tell us how much of it was down to DS, but I expect we will at least start to look like a Championship team.
In hindsight maybe DS will look and think he shouldnt have taken the job, but maybe it will turn out to be a good thing for him. Maybe it will toughen him up for when he gets his next opportunity.
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Post by ldr on Sept 14, 2022 16:10:31 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? For us as a club, and for him, it’s a no-brainier. Anybody with a bit of organisation who can implement a style and system quickly, will keep us up. We don’t have a shit team. Win win for me. We stay up and he starts to rebuild his reputation. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 16:10:47 GMT 1
Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. How are those hollow words? It was clearly the plan.. the fact it hasnt worked out as hoped doesnt mean it wasnt the plan! Which club doesnt big up their new appointment to be as positive as they can? What did you expect?.. 'Carlos has left unexpectedly, so Ive decided to take a huge gamble on Danny as we've seen him as a future manager for a while , but I just hope he's ready for it." It was more the bit about Danny turning down an appointment abroad he wanted to take, which sounds like he was talked out of it by Hoyle, and then he has been royally shit on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 16:11:39 GMT 1
Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. DS was clearly seen by the club as a good coach who would in time step up to first team coach. This apparently happened earlier than expected/desired but was seen as the way forward. To many people it has become apparent that he was not yet up to the task. How this makes Dean Hoyle's words hollow I don't understand. Do you think DS should have remained as first team coach - most people on here clearly think not, a minority think he should have been given more time. I agree wholeheartedly with your final sentence. See my reply to the Captain |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 16:12:23 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? Sauce?? A mate of mine has the source. One that called all the transfers right this summer. |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 14, 2022 16:13:05 GMT 1
Seriously?? Money.. Challenge.. Adulation.. Excitement.. He’s a football man.. Seriously! Why do you think he'd consider it? He's already sailed this ship! Turned it around once. Could really tarnish his status if he's unable to turn it around again. God-like status GONE! 🍻 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 16:13:21 GMT 1
Holye's quote resurrected by the BBC today: "Danny had been offered a job on the continent and he wanted to take it. As disappointed as we are to have lost Carlos, and we are, thank goodness we kept hold of Danny because he was the succession plan and always had been." Hollow words from a hollow man. Let's hope Danny gets some good offers soon. Appoints him and gets slated for appointing him. Fans call for sacking. Sacks him because it isn't working. Fans call him hollow. See my reply to the Captain. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 16:14:39 GMT 1
Ive heard Wagners in talks over a 1 year contract but wants more say on transfers than Carlos had.. which was basically none. Think thats what he had before wasnt it.. a 1 year rolling deal ? i can understand why Wagner would want more control over signings. our current signing policy is all over the place. How so? By 'current' if you take the last couple of years Id say our signing policy has been extremely good. Even in the current situation it isn't the latest signings who are letting us down. |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 14, 2022 16:15:32 GMT 1
Can't please everybody all of the time (Generic Saying)
Just can't please Town fans FULL STOP!
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