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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 14, 2022 18:43:06 GMT 1
i can understand why Wagner would want more control over signings. our current signing policy is all over the place. Except we can't sign the sort of players he signed before now we're out of the EU Wagner would find a way to make it work. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 14, 2022 18:48:33 GMT 1
Apart from lob sided full backs there isn’t much wrong with the squad. Signings shouldn’t be the issue, we don’t need any right now.
If he isn’t happy next summer and we’ve stayed up. Thanks very much David and we part ways. This is an emergency, just like it was with Danny Cowley.
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Post by harris on Sept 14, 2022 18:49:31 GMT 1
If it was a video game maybe, give Bielsa £20m transfer budget over the next couple of years and final say on players, he’d repay DH’s debt by taking us up. Unfortunately it would be completely risking the clubs future - plus he wouldn’t come. |
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 14, 2022 18:53:49 GMT 1
I feel a touch sorry for DS, just take last night missed two absolute gobbers, hit the bar one cleared off the line, three good saves from their keeper. While the results have been poor it has been poor individual performances that has cost us. Wigans second goal was shocking goal keeping when last season he would have saved that with his eyes shut.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 14, 2022 19:17:53 GMT 1
Current (not under Phil ) Youre not happy with the signings made this summer? Most are still to either play or play enough to form an opinion. Of the ones who have Rudini looks a great buy to me. Jurys still out on Nakayama IMO. But the policy seems the same as it what it was under PH to me. Loans of youngsters from the PL Young players from lower down the pyramid. The odd experienced player often from our own division. I'm happy with most of the individual signings made this summer. What I'm not happy about is the signings that weren't made. Or more to the point there doesn't appear to have been a coherent strategy behind it for the here and now (noting that Hudlin and Simpson were worth a punt). |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 14, 2022 19:54:55 GMT 1
I feel a touch sorry for DS, just take last night missed two absolute gobbers, hit the bar one cleared off the line, three good saves from their keeper. While the results have been poor it has been poor individual performances that has cost us. Wigans second goal was shocking goal keeping when last season he would have saved that with his eyes shut. Id blame the defenders who allowed their player to turn and get a shot off in the position myself. |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 14, 2022 20:17:48 GMT 1
Cos no one else will touch him with a bargepole after his last 2 jobs ? So then why should we? |
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Post by Rambo on Sept 14, 2022 20:19:44 GMT 1
I feel a touch sorry for DS, just take last night missed two absolute gobbers, hit the bar one cleared off the line, three good saves from their keeper. While the results have been poor it has been poor individual performances that has cost us. Wigans second goal was shocking goal keeping when last season he would have saved that with his eyes shut. Id blame the defenders who allowed their player to turn and get a shot off in the position myself. Me too. It was scandalous defending. How on earth he was able to do what he did was shocking. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 20:25:28 GMT 1
Cos no one else will touch him with a bargepole after his last 2 jobs ? So then why should we? Exactly |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 14, 2022 20:30:56 GMT 1
Id blame the defenders who allowed their player to turn and get a shot off in the position myself. Me too. It was scandalous defending. How on earth he was able to do what he did was shocking. They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 20:48:56 GMT 1
Me too. It was scandalous defending. How on earth he was able to do what he did was shocking. They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 21:31:29 GMT 1
They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. We had Wigan on the ropes in the second half yesterday but quickly resorted to side to side passing across our 18 yard box. I would say that is down to fitness because there is no reason why we should have let up so much. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 14, 2022 21:39:34 GMT 1
They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. Tino can’t start or comes off after 60 mins, Dwayne the same. Rhodes similar. We passed backwards for 45 mins. Every forward pass was misplaced or over hit. Danny’s was an absolute gobber. It was right infront of me. He really should have left it to the intended sorba. Second half we were much better. We actually started to pass and move. But you can’t just play half a game. Then after not taking advantage of our dominance we concede a soft goal. I was defo there And I was actually watching unlike some |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 14, 2022 21:44:50 GMT 1
Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. We had Wigan on the ropes in the second half yesterday but quickly resorted to side to side passing across our 18 yard box. I would say that is down to fitness because there is no reason why we should have let up so much. On the ropes then they started falling down, feigning injury and timewasting and we lost all rhythm |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 22:00:36 GMT 1
Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. We had Wigan on the ropes in the second half yesterday but quickly resorted to side to side passing across our 18 yard box. I would say that is down to fitness because there is no reason why we should have let up so much. Maybe Wigan adapted to our change of style? I think the fitness thing is a myth. Tino has struggled and so has Russell but I can’t see any others blowing. I saw a few Wigan players down with cramp though. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 22:00:43 GMT 1
We had Wigan on the ropes in the second half yesterday but quickly resorted to side to side passing across our 18 yard box. I would say that is down to fitness because there is no reason why we should have let up so much. On the ropes then they started falling down, feigning injury and timewasting and we lost all rhythm I've got to say they are the biggest bunch of pricks I've seen us play in years. Absolute anti football shit. I hope they go bust. They were time wasting after 30 minutes |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 14, 2022 22:32:23 GMT 1
On the ropes then they started falling down, feigning injury and timewasting and we lost all rhythm I've got to say they are the biggest bunch of pricks I've seen us play in years. Absolute anti football shit. I hope they go bust. They were time wasting after 30 minutes I completely agree. But we did this ourselves last year, if not to the same degree. We gave them the opportunity to do this though by not starting the game well and then gifting them the lead. They knew exactly what to do once they took the lead. Thought we did really well to get back into the game and at that point thought we were playing well enough to go on and win. But then blew it by conceding another soft goal. It seems that’s the way it’s going. |
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 14, 2022 22:40:45 GMT 1
I feel a touch sorry for DS, just take last night missed two absolute gobbers, hit the bar one cleared off the line, three good saves from their keeper. While the results have been poor it has been poor individual performances that has cost us. Wigans second goal was shocking goal keeping when last season he would have saved that with his eyes shut. Id blame the defenders who allowed their player to turn and get a shot off in the position myself. I also blame the defenders for poor defending but i break wind with more power than what was in that shot. |
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Post by Wingman on Sept 14, 2022 23:09:10 GMT 1
Going off tangent here and apologies if this has been asked elsewhere and I’ve not seen it but, was Schofield offered the chance to step back into coaching but rejected the offer and took the P45, or was he simply bulleted without the option?
The latter seems harsh on someone who has given so much to the club; surely he could have been given a route back into coaching after the terrible hand given at short notice.
That’s not to say removing him from the role was the wrong decision mind.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 14, 2022 23:22:45 GMT 1
Cos no one else will touch him with a bargepole after his last 2 jobs ? So then why should we? Were you in a coma 5-6 years ago? |
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Post by willo on Sept 14, 2022 23:56:29 GMT 1
On the ropes then they started falling down, feigning injury and timewasting and we lost all rhythm I've got to say they are the biggest bunch of pricks I've seen us play in years. Absolute anti football shit. I hope they go bust. They were time wasting after 30 minutes True but still not as bad as Burton Albion were in the promotion season. New levels that day. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 0:26:01 GMT 1
Me too. It was scandalous defending. How on earth he was able to do what he did was shocking. They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Possibly, but even then we could very easily have scored 4. wards miss from 5 yards was atrocious. Rhodes ( who looked very good I thought ) was so unlucky to smash it against the inside of the post, and Jones really should have scored but hit it straight at the keeper. And there were other chances aswell. The lack of confidence is an big issue. Losing becomes a habit just like NOT losing became one last season. But theres plenty in the squad for the new manager whoever he is to work with. This really isn't a squad that should be anywhere near the bottom IMO. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2022 0:31:38 GMT 1
Id blame the defenders who allowed their player to turn and get a shot off in the position myself. I also blame the defenders for poor defending but i break wind with more power than what was in that shot. Think Nicholls was going the wrong way and had lost his bearings for where he was in front of the goal. But Tom lees! seriously, you cant let a player do that. Appalling defending from such an experienced player,, and such a good one last season. I dont think he's playing badly, but much like everyone else, Nicholls isn't at the levels he was last season. He barely put a foot wrong until this season. Now the errors are creeping in. ( Much like Tom Lees ) Theres a definite malaise effecting pretty much everyone, other than the newbies and maybe Jordon Rhodes . |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 15, 2022 0:38:52 GMT 1
Their winner reminded me a little of that goal Russell scored last season, when he just flicked it. The keeper simply had all his weight going the other way.
Nichols was the same last night, they look crap, but the reality is that when a striker can effectively hit the ball almost coming back on themselves the keeper is likely to be wrong footed.
As per Slapps, I said it could have been 4 apiece last night with better finishing, but we’ve lost our mojo, ain’t getting any luck either.
Let’s hope we have a better day on Saturday, and a decent Ref for a change…
UTT!!
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 15, 2022 1:02:21 GMT 1
Exaccchhhly? Sounds like you've softened your stance on scousers there, Porroh!  |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 15, 2022 6:52:58 GMT 1
Exaccchhhly? Sounds like you've softened your stance on scousers there, Porroh! Only the blue side 😉 |
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Post by townrwe on Sept 15, 2022 7:11:51 GMT 1
Serious question, were you there yesterday? Where do you get the not fit from? What makes you think that? When we got the right players on the field the passing was very good, Wigan were struggling. We can do it if we have the right players in the right positions. Danny Ward's was not an open goal, he slid in at speed and when he made conatct the ball flew up instead of forward. Nakayama could have taken a touch and tapped it in but he tried to hit it on the volley and ballooned it. He should have done better though. I agree regarding the confidence. Tino can’t start or comes off after 60 mins, Dwayne the same. Rhodes similar. We passed backwards for 45 mins. Every forward pass was misplaced or over hit. Danny’s was an absolute gobber. It was right infront of me. He really should have left it to the intended sorba. Second half we were much better. We actually started to pass and move. But you can’t just play half a game. Then after not taking advantage of our dominance we concede a soft goal. I was defo there And I was actually watching unlike some I thought the same as you, but it felt like the players were managing themselves as individuals, the message to the team was missing. Then some players started hiding, probably fed by anxiety in the crowd. The unfit aspect probably comes from out setup and the fact we are out of position regularly. The good thing is for the new manager is that the team and players care and want to do well, you can see the endeavour, it's more the plan that's been missing and someone like Wagner who last time transformed the way we played immediately would hopefully give them those tools to progress up the league. It's a massive game on Saturday, get a win and the new manager can ride the  , hopefully Hersey can get his message across and a simple style of play to get us a win. UTT - No limits |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 15, 2022 7:40:36 GMT 1
They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Possibly, but even then we could very easily have scored 4. wards miss from 5 yards was atrocious. Rhodes ( who looked very good I thought ) was so unlucky to smash it against the inside of the post, and Jones really should have scored but hit it straight at the keeper. And there were other chances aswell. The lack of confidence is an big issue. Losing becomes a habit just like NOT losing became one last season. But theres plenty in the squad for the new manager whoever he is to work with. This really isn't a squad that should be anywhere near the bottom IMO. Oh I realise we could easily have scored 4. But we didn’t and yet we concede two soft ones. Ends up another loss. Confidence is massively low. The new manager has plenty to work with but has a big job on his hands also. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Sept 15, 2022 8:02:54 GMT 1
They were equally to blame for me for me. Dreadful. And just the type of poor play that gets managers the sack. Like missing two open goals like Danny and I think it was Nakayama. But those individual mistakes apart we were poor and have been all season. We can’t pass properly, can’t trap a ball and are not fit. Add the total lack of confidence and we’re in deep. Possibly, but even then we could very easily have scored 4. wards miss from 5 yards was atrocious. Rhodes ( who looked very good I thought ) was so unlucky to smash it against the inside of the post, and Jones really should have scored but hit it straight at the keeper. And there were other chances aswell. The lack of confidence is an big issue. Losing becomes a habit just like NOT losing became one last season. But theres plenty in the squad for the new manager whoever he is to work with. This really isn't a squad that should be anywhere near the bottom IMO. Yeah, but Wigan fans will have gone home saying "we could have easily scored 5". |
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 15, 2022 8:27:14 GMT 1
If it was a video game maybe, give Bielsa £20m transfer budget over the next couple of years and final say on players, he’d repay DH’s debt by taking us up. Unfortunately it would be completely risking the clubs future - plus he wouldn’t come. Bielsa although his tactics and beliefs are the right way to run a football team you have to have highly technically gifted players so we would end up in league one |
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