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Post by Melc on Sept 18, 2022 13:57:25 GMT 1
Future CEO, after the dust settles around the ownership? Correct, he’s almost ‘job sharing’ with Deano currently. I suppose that is a polite way of putting it!
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Post by prepare on Sept 18, 2022 14:12:05 GMT 1
Sounds to me interviews haven't taken place but they are doing too this week. Wagner is one of them, Warne from Rotherham sounds another one! We won’t be interviewing Wagner we know what he’s all about. He either wants it or we look elsewhere warne is not in contention
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2022 14:18:54 GMT 1
Listened to that, thought he spoke well and answered some fairly direct questions (for radio Leeds) well. I’d guess that Hoyle is speaking to Wagner which is why Bromby said he hadn’t. For all those criticising Bromby, remember the position we were in when we got relegated. We could have easily gone down at least another division, but after a bit of adjusting we got stabilised and re-established in this league. I’d say Bromby more than anyone is responsible for that. I think that a couple of brothers would disagree very strongly with you on that point.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 18, 2022 14:27:26 GMT 1
Listened to that, thought he spoke well and answered some fairly direct questions (for radio Leeds) well. I’d guess that Hoyle is speaking to Wagner which is why Bromby said he hadn’t. For all those criticising Bromby, remember the position we were in when we got relegated. We could have easily gone down at least another division, but after a bit of adjusting we got stabilised and re-established in this league. I’d say Bromby more than anyone is responsible for that. I think that a couple of brothers would disagree very strongly with you on that point. Only Paul is still alive so Barry wouldn't be able to disagree
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 18, 2022 14:44:11 GMT 1
Just listened to the Bromby interview in full. The man is a classic bullshitter. He said at one point that 'Danny understood stylistically what's expected on the pitch'. In view of what we witnessed during Schofield's short reign what on earth do such words mean? A little later he added, 'We want to represent the supporters in the right way.' Can anyone translate this into meaningful English? Uter dog shit And by way of apology re. Schofield's appointment he says, ' I made a decision in the summer, not Dean...' and then ' I head this up', ' I lead this', 'Dean is supporting me.' And then after a lot of gobbledygook about Wagner, ' I haven't offered him the job'. We begin to get the idea. He goes on to talk about coaches with European experience like Wagner and Corberan being used to working in 'our structure' ie. with a Sporting Director, a Head of Analysis, a Head of Physical Performance, a Head of Recruitment. Reading between the lines he clearly does not want his empire to be undermined by anyone with a different perspective on things. He even goes on to say that the next coach has to be the 'right fit'. I would ask you to think about the quality of football that this assemblage of experts has managed to produce over the last two or three years. I said in an earlier post that the balance at the top of the club is wrong. Bromby is at the heart of this and as long as he is able to appoint coaches subservient to himself we will never see the sort of changes that could make Town worth watching again.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 18, 2022 14:49:37 GMT 1
Listened to that, thought he spoke well and answered some fairly direct questions (for radio Leeds) well. I’d guess that Hoyle is speaking to Wagner which is why Bromby said he hadn’t. For all those criticising Bromby, remember the position we were in when we got relegated. We could have easily gone down at least another division, but after a bit of adjusting we got stabilised and re-established in this league. I’d say Bromby more than anyone is responsible for that. I think that a couple of brothers would disagree very strongly with you on that point. I’m sure they would. But they didn’t put any structures or strategy in place to allow us to consolidate, plan for the future or develop the academy did they? They’re just the sort of ‘character managers’ that want to sign players, do things their way and will leave no strong legacy to build on. And then when they move on what do you have left?
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Post by alexdire on Sept 18, 2022 14:52:26 GMT 1
We won’t be interviewing Wagner we know what he’s all about. He either wants it or we look elsewhere warne is not in contention How can you make such an authoritative statement? What's your connection to the process?
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Post by dugnet on Sept 18, 2022 14:56:28 GMT 1
I listened to the interview and my overriding view was twofold.
1 - LB owning the DS appointment, and it's failure.
2 - I felt there was a lot of explanation to balance criticism that could be reflected on here and on social media.
LB heads the footballing delivery of HTAFC ie the buck, for the delivery against strategy at all levels, stops with him. The structure is seen as being correct, I wouldn't disagree, so it is down to the people working within that structure to deliver.
We could debate forevermore but ultimately all that matters is the 1st team getting results on the pitch. In order to do so getting a head coach that can deliver and work within the structure is key.
Actions and outcomes is what is required and, to be fair, there will need to be a little time to judge them. Start well and that time extends, start poorly and the hourglass will run through very rapidly.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2022 15:20:11 GMT 1
I think that a couple of brothers would disagree very strongly with you on that point. I’m sure they would. But they didn’t put any structures or strategy in place to allow us to consolidate, plan for the future or develop the academy did they? They’re just the sort of ‘character managers’ that want to sign players, do things their way and will leave no strong legacy to build on. And then when they move on what do you have left? A club still in the Championship
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 18, 2022 19:00:57 GMT 1
I heard something very interesting before the game yesterday, don't rule out Duncan Ferguson.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 18, 2022 21:04:22 GMT 1
Future CEO, after the dust settles around the ownership? Correct, he’s almost ‘job sharing’ with Deano currently. That's a good thing in my opinion. Remember when Dean fell ill we were absolutely rudderless with nobody stepping up to the plate to fill in for him. We very quickly unravelled.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 18, 2022 21:18:45 GMT 1
I heard something very interesting before the game yesterday, don't rule out Duncan Ferguson. Least we'll have some balls and be putting the opposition players in the stand.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 19, 2022 7:24:48 GMT 1
I’m sure they would. But they didn’t put any structures or strategy in place to allow us to consolidate, plan for the future or develop the academy did they? They’re just the sort of ‘character managers’ that want to sign players, do things their way and will leave no strong legacy to build on. And then when they move on what do you have left? A club still in the Championship They stopped the rot and stabilised us. But Bromby has been here 8 years, DoF for 3 years and academy manager before that. It’s on his watch that we’ve signed Diarra, Jones, Camara and all these other players for the academy like REG that are now providing a steady stream of players for the first team. We’ve never had that at this level, at least not in my lifetime. In Diarra, Jones and Camara we look like we have 3 gems that cost us little. We’ve been re-established by good recruitment, Corberan and in having a pipeline of good young players for the first team. The Cowleys gave us fuck all legacy other than signing Toffolo and keeping us up that one season. They didn’t build anything, and their antics on the touch line and gamesmanship were poor. The Leeds home match when we had 2/3 imaginary head injuries in the first half was an embarrassment.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 7:48:36 GMT 1
Listened to that, thought he spoke well and answered some fairly direct questions (for radio Leeds) well. I’d guess that Hoyle is speaking to Wagner which is why Bromby said he hadn’t. For all those criticising Bromby, remember the position we were in when we got relegated. We could have easily gone down at least another division, but after a bit of adjusting we got stabilised and re-established in this league. I’d say Bromby more than anyone is responsible for that. TBF, a lot of those criticising Bromby were arguing that he was responsible for players signed before he got the job.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 8:55:53 GMT 1
Sounds to me interviews haven't taken place but they are doing too this week. Wagner is one of them, Warne from Rotherham sounds another one! We won’t be interviewing Wagner we know what he’s all about. He either wants it or we look elsewhere I bloody hope (and expect) that we do interview! He's one of those Head Coaches that you'll tell your grandkids about but he's not infallible. Can he work with the set-up we have? Will he work with it? What went wrong at Schalke and Young Boys, and how do you envisage that not happening here? His stock has fallen considerably since leaving us. And whilst it would still be a coup to get him, it shouldn't be a shoo-in. Other candidates may well have some great ideas and a wonderful understanding of how the club could move forward. There are potential pros and cons to every single candidate that I've seen us linked with. Including Wagner.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 9:06:09 GMT 1
I think that a couple of brothers would disagree very strongly with you on that point. I’m sure they would. But they didn’t put any structures or strategy in place to allow us to consolidate, plan for the future or develop the academy did they? They’re just the sort of ‘character managers’ that want to sign players, do things their way and will leave no strong legacy to build on. And then when they move on what do you have left? I'd agree with that, and for all that the Cowleys did a good job here - and are continuing to do a good job in their current role - we have a budget that we need to maximize output from. Continuity may be an uncomfortable word in light of the Schofield head coach experience, but chopping and changing all the time, discarding the changes the previous guy put in every time to start again doesn't strike me as a particularly efficient use of resources.
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 19, 2022 10:08:33 GMT 1
I heard something very interesting before the game yesterday, don't rule out Duncan Ferguson. Was it “they’re interviewing Duncan Ferguson”?
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 19, 2022 10:13:43 GMT 1
I heard something very interesting before the game yesterday, don't rule out Duncan Ferguson. Was it “they’re interviewing Duncan Ferguson”? Wouldn't want to be Dean Hoyle when it comes to sacking him down the line.
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Post by prepare on Sept 19, 2022 10:33:14 GMT 1
warne is not in contention How can you make such an authoritative statement? What's your connection to the process? it’s from the Rotherham end we will see
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Post by houllierspal on Sept 19, 2022 10:55:04 GMT 1
Not sure about the likes of Warne and Ainsworth etc, both done brilliant for their clubs, big gamble, could they do it elsewhere, bit like Jacko, great for Town, not so elsewhere. Would prefer either experience like Wagner or inexperience if that makes sense like Carrick, Ferguson etc both obviously wanting to get on the ladder and, important will have have good contacts.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 19, 2022 11:16:59 GMT 1
Was it “they’re interviewing Duncan Ferguson”? Wouldn't want to be Dean Hoyle when it comes to sacking him down the line. He’ll be away skiing
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Post by Sio on Sept 19, 2022 11:38:44 GMT 1
Not sure about the likes of Warne and Ainsworth etc, both done brilliant for their clubs, big gamble, could they do it elsewhere, bit like Jacko, great for Town, not so elsewhere. Would prefer either experience like Wagner or inexperience if that makes sense like Carrick, Ferguson etc both obviously wanting to get on the ladder and, important will have have good contacts. My fear exactly with these League One types. Done a great job relative to their club size, but they've also proven that they can't keep said teams in this division. If they'd 'done a Luton', I'd see it a bit differently, but they just strike me as another Powell/Robins type appointment.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 19, 2022 11:45:17 GMT 1
Not sure about the likes of Warne and Ainsworth etc, both done brilliant for their clubs, big gamble, could they do it elsewhere, bit like Jacko, great for Town, not so elsewhere. Would prefer either experience like Wagner or inexperience if that makes sense like Carrick, Ferguson etc both obviously wanting to get on the ladder and, important will have have good contacts. Listening to what Bromby had to say on Saturday, then neither of these two fits the criteria. He said they were looking for somebody who had worked with a top coach and who understood the European way of working with a Sporting Director/HOF. The likes of Barry, Carrick, Fergusson or indeed Wagner look more of a fit.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 13:41:57 GMT 1
A club still in the Championship They stopped the rot and stabilised us. But Bromby has been here 8 years, DoF for 3 years and academy manager before that. It’s on his watch that we’ve signed Diarra, Jones, Camara and all these other players for the academy like REG that are now providing a steady stream of players for the first team. We’ve never had that at this level, at least not in my lifetime. In Diarra, Jones and Camara we look like we have 3 gems that cost us little. We’ve been re-established by good recruitment, Corberan and in having a pipeline of good young players for the first team. The Cowleys gave us fuck all legacy other than signing Toffolo and keeping us up that one season. They didn’t build anything, and their antics on the touch line and gamesmanship were poor. The Leeds home match when we had 2/3 imaginary head injuries in the first half was an embarrassment. Broadly agree, but Pat Jones was brought in by Bromby's successor in the role. Of course, Bromby's successor was brought in by.....
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 19, 2022 13:51:00 GMT 1
The only problem I see with the model of bringing in someone who has worked with the top coaches is that they are also used to working with top players. Is that easy to repeat with players of lesser ability? Carlos had only been at Leeds so that doesn’t count! Would a man who has got more out of a limited squad be a better choice?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 19, 2022 14:08:27 GMT 1
They stopped the rot and stabilised us. But Bromby has been here 8 years, DoF for 3 years and academy manager before that. It’s on his watch that we’ve signed Diarra, Jones, Camara and all these other players for the academy like REG that are now providing a steady stream of players for the first team. We’ve never had that at this level, at least not in my lifetime. In Diarra, Jones and Camara we look like we have 3 gems that cost us little. We’ve been re-established by good recruitment, Corberan and in having a pipeline of good young players for the first team. The Cowleys gave us fuck all legacy other than signing Toffolo and keeping us up that one season. They didn’t build anything, and their antics on the touch line and gamesmanship were poor. The Leeds home match when we had 2/3 imaginary head injuries in the first half was an embarrassment. Broadly agree, but Pat Jones was brought in by Bromby's successor in the role. Of course, Bromby's successor was brought in by..... I don’t mean he literally signed those players, but he’s had a huge role in the academy structure and bringing in the great prospects within it in his various roles at the club.
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Post by yappledapple on Sept 19, 2022 14:28:50 GMT 1
Not sure about the likes of Warne and Ainsworth etc, both done brilliant for their clubs, big gamble, could they do it elsewhere, bit like Jacko, great for Town, not so elsewhere. Would prefer either experience like Wagner or inexperience if that makes sense like Carrick, Ferguson etc both obviously wanting to get on the ladder and, important will have have good contacts. Listening to what Bromby had to say on Saturday, then neither of these two fits the criteria. He said they were looking for somebody who had worked with a top coach and who understood the European way of working with a Sporting Director/HOF. The likes of Barry, Carrick, Fergusson or indeed Wagner look more of a fit. I reckon we're going to go down the Anthony Barry route - for all Wagner's appeal, he'll be on a rolling contract until the end of the year and in all likelihood, he'll go if we go down (with a tarnished reputation) and he'll go if we stay up to a sunnier climes team (Spain) (enhanced reputation). The rumours are his wife doesn't want to return and his daughters have careers in Germany now, so he will be here on his own (no wife or kids) for the next year with no intention of it being a long-term thing. We're then back to square one at the end of the season. It just doesn't fit the narrative of building for the future.
Anthony Barry has worked at the highest level under an outstanding coach and has serious contacts. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if he's not the announcement this week.
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Post by smigger on Sept 19, 2022 16:49:49 GMT 1
For those dubious of the structure, give the Bayern Munich documentary a watch on Amazon.
Really insightful on the whole setup, ownership, and a culture of continuity.
I think we are in a good place if town are operating a similar model (obviously on a lower level)
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 19, 2022 17:14:19 GMT 1
For those dubious of the structure, give the Bayern Munich documentary a watch on Amazon. Really insightful on the whole setup, ownership, and a culture of continuity. I think we are in a good place if town are operating a similar model (obviously on a lower level) Good in theory but the last two men we employed via the model were Siewart & Schofield. A system can only get us so far, we still need high quality individuals within it to make it work.
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Post by smigger on Sept 19, 2022 19:19:32 GMT 1
For those dubious of the structure, give the Bayern Munich documentary a watch on Amazon. Really insightful on the whole setup, ownership, and a culture of continuity. I think we are in a good place if town are operating a similar model (obviously on a lower level) Good in theory but the last two men we employed via the model were Siewart & Schofield. A system can only get us so far, we still need high quality individuals within it to make it work. Wagner, Cowley and Corberan worked/were employed with the model too. Perhaps we have a few high quality individuals who already work within the structure, analysts etc. Granted not all appointments will be spot on, but I think the system allows us to change a head coach when it isnt working with much less disruption. An incoming head coach coach will always bring their ideas in, and will be given freedom to do so, but also knowing they need to fit these in within an existing culture/structure/identity. On the flip side we have a good season, it's likely our head coach will be headhunted higher up the chain. Again allows for less disruption. You've also got to consider most managers/head coaches don't do more than 3 seasons at a club. I think this model serves us well for the future.
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