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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 20, 2022 14:09:39 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782 |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 20, 2022 14:17:23 GMT 1
Money has ruined just about everything in life, the very few at the top constantly striving to screw every man and his dog out of everything they have in life.
They brain wash the young or vulnerable into their way of thinking with social media. They are slowly killing everything that’s worth enjoying the football pyramid would be far better if the top 6 clubs fucked off , couldn’t care less if the football isn’t as attractive as competitive sport is far more enjoyable. Money isn’t the be all and end all of life, unfortunately it is for these fun sucking human vultures. The new owner of Chelsea quickly proved that, saying the super league isn’t done just sleeping, then wanting an American styled north south match , history means nothing to these wankers just money. No matter what you think of Man U fans at least they tried to stand up to these parasites.
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Post by joburgjon on Sept 20, 2022 14:40:50 GMT 1
"These measures would also include larger financial help for EFL clubs, with an alteration to the current parachute payments, which it is acknowledged give the clubs receiving them a huge financial advantage."
Made me smile anyway :-)
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 20, 2022 15:23:26 GMT 1
Sounds like a great idea to me. FA Cup ties should be resolved at the home they're drawn at, not taken to a replay.
If you're a little team who has given their absolute all for 90mins, perhaps still in the game through moments of sheer luck...wouldn't you always prefer to continue that momentum and hope to get lucky with a winner in the next 30mins or penalties, rather than having to reset and do it all again from scratch in a couple of weeks time.
And if you're a big team who has been held by a little team for 90mins, surely you'd fancy your chances of completing the job in the next 30mins rather than having to start again in a couple of weeks and play out another full 90mins against a bunch of cloggers who are there to out muscle you?
Replays are the money grab, I'll wholeheartedly support getting rid of them in all competitions.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 20, 2022 15:39:44 GMT 1
Sounds like a great idea to me. FA Cup ties should be resolved at the home they're drawn at, not taken to a replay. If you're a little team who has given their absolute all for 90mins, perhaps still in the game through moments of sheer luck...wouldn't you always prefer to continue that momentum and hope to get lucky with a winner in the next 30mins or penalties, rather than having to reset and do it all again from scratch in a couple of weeks time. And if you're a big team who has been held by a little team for 90mins, surely you'd fancy your chances of completing the job in the next 30mins rather than having to start again in a couple of weeks and play out another full 90mins against a bunch of cloggers who are there to out muscle you? Replays are the money grab, I'll wholeheartedly support getting rid of them in all competitions. What happens if a smaller club has held that bigger club? A replay at the bigger club's ground could well bring them some decent revenue, TV money. If the opposite were to happen, there's a high probability of a live TV game, again bringing in revenue. The big clue in this story is that they say they've not discussed it with EFL clubs yet, so it's just the PL spouting off and getting this into the news, gains them some publicity, stokes a bit of controversy. The PL will be seen as a stain on the English game in years to come, hopefully the big clubs will have fecked off before they get the chance to ruin the pyramid... |
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Post by softboy on Sept 20, 2022 15:49:18 GMT 1
The maths are simple. More Champions League Games means cutting out home based games. It won’t be long before the top clubs don’t take part in either the League Cup or Fa Cup as neither generate the level of income the CL does
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 16:07:16 GMT 1
Money has ruined just about everything in life, the very few at the top constantly striving to screw every man and his dog out of everything they have in life. They brain wash the young or vulnerable into their way of thinking with social media. They are slowly killing everything that’s worth enjoying the football pyramid would be far better if the top 6 clubs fucked off , couldn’t care less if the football isn’t as attractive as competitive sport is far more enjoyable. Money isn’t the be all and end all of life, unfortunately it is for these fun sucking human vultures. The new owner of Chelsea quickly proved that, saying the super league isn’t done just sleeping, then wanting an American styled north south match , history means nothing to these wankers just money. No matter what you think of Man U fans at least they tried to stand up to these parasites. This is bang on |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 16:13:52 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league?
I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final.
its proper shite.
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Post by mosher on Sept 20, 2022 16:17:41 GMT 1
Think the last one I watched start to finish was bindippers coming from 3-0 behind against (I think) Milan. Only carried on watching as I expected a cricket score, instead I got to watch one of the most amazing fightbacks I've ever seen in European football. Even if it was the scousers  |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 20, 2022 16:22:17 GMT 1
Sounds like a great idea to me. FA Cup ties should be resolved at the home they're drawn at, not taken to a replay. If you're a little team who has given their absolute all for 90mins, perhaps still in the game through moments of sheer luck...wouldn't you always prefer to continue that momentum and hope to get lucky with a winner in the next 30mins or penalties, rather than having to reset and do it all again from scratch in a couple of weeks time. And if you're a big team who has been held by a little team for 90mins, surely you'd fancy your chances of completing the job in the next 30mins rather than having to start again in a couple of weeks and play out another full 90mins against a bunch of cloggers who are there to out muscle you? Replays are the money grab, I'll wholeheartedly support getting rid of them in all competitions. Fa cup used to be the greatest cup competition in domestic football world wide. They ( money men) eventually got into the fans and clubs heads and made the competition irrelevant, fans see it as a distraction ask yourself why. Your even answering the debate with a money answer they convince you it’s all about money. But it’s always about their money not ours. So they make success all about money , irrelevant that nearly all clubs have stopped being able to compete. The game is now can we finish one place higher so we get more money, winning is irrelevant. The worst thing is they’ve got into the youths heads and they back them up. Bit by bit they destroy our football history , in the near future the league cup will hardly exist and next the fa cup. The pyramid will be pulled apart by these monsters but many fans will back them all for a select 10 making proposterous money. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 20, 2022 16:41:18 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league? I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final. its proper shite. I rarely watch CL games, certainly not the group stages, just money making games, if im in i might watch the semis and the final, the CL lost its appeal to me years ago when it became the Champions runners up and also rans league. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 20, 2022 16:44:55 GMT 1
It gives the smaller clubs a fighting chance of nocking the so called elite out of the cups on penalties, a few seasons of them missing out on a couple of European places and this will be scrapped.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 20, 2022 16:54:24 GMT 1
Sounds like a great idea to me. FA Cup ties should be resolved at the home they're drawn at, not taken to a replay. If you're a little team who has given their absolute all for 90mins, perhaps still in the game through moments of sheer luck...wouldn't you always prefer to continue that momentum and hope to get lucky with a winner in the next 30mins or penalties, rather than having to reset and do it all again from scratch in a couple of weeks time. And if you're a big team who has been held by a little team for 90mins, surely you'd fancy your chances of completing the job in the next 30mins rather than having to start again in a couple of weeks and play out another full 90mins against a bunch of cloggers who are there to out muscle you? Replays are the money grab, I'll wholeheartedly support getting rid of them in all competitions. What happens if a smaller club has held that bigger club? A replay at the bigger club's ground could well bring them some decent revenue, TV money. If the opposite were to happen, there's a high probability of a live TV game, again bringing in revenue. The smaller club is less likely to win a replay, than sneak a winner in 30mins of extra time off the back of a competitive performance, or , get to penalties, and have an increased chance of getting to the next round, compared to writing off all their 90mins worth of effort, and having to start again from scratch and raise their game to match the bigger team for another 90mins in a couple of weeks. Having replays is about money and results in the 'bigger' team being more likely to win through. Settling it in the one game is all about the beauty of knockout cup competition and those days when everything just slots into place for the little club. One example...10 years ago, when Premier League Wigan were on their way to FA Cup victory, they faced League 2 Bradford in the League Cup. 0-0 after extra time, and Bradford won on penalties. Bradford then were drawn against Arsenal, again held them and won on penalties - eventually getting all the way to the final where Swansea hammered them! My point is that with replays, the HIGH likelihood is that Wigan (and then Arsenal) would have approached a second game with an entirely different mindset, and in any replays would likely have swept Bradford away similar to what Swansea did. Replays protect the bigger teams - and are a one day money grab for littler teams. Get rid of them. |
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Post by orinoco on Sept 20, 2022 16:57:22 GMT 1
Euro super league should have happened.
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Post by softboy on Sept 20, 2022 17:09:43 GMT 1
Once there are enough foreign/American owners in the PL to vote through change there will be no more promotion or relegation to the PL. They will have the financial clout to beat any FA or EFL challenge. Three years max for this to happen.
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Post by softboy on Sept 20, 2022 17:13:54 GMT 1
Then within another 3/4 years the top 6 will join a European SL and dump the rest. Fan protests won’t work as it’s the global market they are after. The 70000 or so that turn up at Man U home games are totally irrelevant to the business model. They can create a virtual crowd which can look real on tv which will suit the world audiance
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 20, 2022 17:18:30 GMT 1
What happens if a smaller club has held that bigger club? A replay at the bigger club's ground could well bring them some decent revenue, TV money. If the opposite were to happen, there's a high probability of a live TV game, again bringing in revenue. The smaller club is less likely to win a replay, than sneak a winner in 30mins of extra time off the back of a competitive performance, or , get to penalties, and have an increased chance of getting to the next round, compared to writing off all their 90mins worth of effort, and having to start again from scratch and raise their game to match the bigger team for another 90mins in a couple of weeks. Having replays is about money and results in the 'bigger' team being more likely to win through. Settling it in the one game is all about the beauty of knockout cup competition and those days when everything just slots into place for the little club. One example...10 years ago, when Premier League Wigan were on their way to FA Cup victory, they faced League 2 Bradford in the League Cup. 0-0 after extra time, and Bradford won on penalties. Bradford then were drawn against Arsenal, again held them and won on penalties - eventually getting all the way to the final where Swansea hammered them! My point is that with replays, the HIGH likelihood is that Wigan (and then Arsenal) would have approached a second game with an entirely different mindset, and in any replays would likely have swept Bradford away similar to what Swansea did. Replays protect the bigger teams - and are a one day money grab for littler teams. Get rid of them. Well, let's just hope that you never end up supporting a "littler team" then. Oh... Wait a minute...  |
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Post by orinoco on Sept 20, 2022 17:19:47 GMT 1
Once there are enough foreign/American owners in the PL to vote through change there will be no more promotion or relegation to the PL. They will have the financial clout to beat any FA or EFL challenge. Three years max for this to happen. the game is in a mess, relies on money from tv and million/billionaires, sad times ahead for the game |
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Post by blanquiazules on Sept 20, 2022 17:22:57 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league? I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final. its proper shite. I think the knock out stages of the CL often have some of the best quality and most exciting games of the season. The league bit before it becomes knock out isn’t up to much. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 20, 2022 17:28:59 GMT 1
The Premier League is a monstrosity created to massage the egos of ManUre, Chelsea,the Victims, Arseole, Spurs and The Abu Dhabi All-Stars.
It has been strangling the pyramid for thirty years.
Staying in the Greedy League is bad for the health of your football team, regardless of what the media whitewash would have us believe.
You only have to look at Brighton's recent figures to see that.
In reality a few clubs are cashing in big-style, while the rest are haemorrhaging money hand over fist simply to keep afloat in that same league.
Professional football is merely "death by a thousand cuts" (or passes!) for all bar the elite clubs.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Sept 20, 2022 17:36:23 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league? I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final. its proper shite. I think the knock out stages of the CL often have some of the best quality and most exciting games of the season. The league bit before it becomes knock out isn’t up to much. Only watch when offshore as all the rigs have Sky & BT sport. Was funny as f*"k watching Liverpool getting arsehold by Napoli. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 20, 2022 17:51:40 GMT 1
Prem clubs when the new Chelsea owner suggests an all-star game: these yanks have no respect for English football traditions!
Prem clubs, the next week: I feel like disrespecting some English football traditions today lads
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Post by drewden on Sept 20, 2022 17:51:55 GMT 1
The best way to stop the amount of money in football is stop subscribing to sport channels, Sky etc, wonder how many people just on this forum subscribe that moan about the football pyramid.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 20, 2022 17:56:13 GMT 1
The best way to stop the amount of money in football is stop subscribing to sport channels, Sky etc, wonder how many people just on this forum subscribe that moan about the football pyramid. Not me. Ditched Sky Sports donkeys years ago. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Sept 20, 2022 17:56:21 GMT 1
Whether we agree with it or not, The PL is not just the sole preserve of England (and Wales) anymore. Unlike the old First Division. It is a global entity that just happens to be based here. No surprise they do not need replays. If I am being honest, neither do I - I like a good penalty shootout, and I like getting a decision on these things. However, here are a few suggestions to help the lower clubs. If a PL side is drawn away to an EFL club, the EFL club gets to keep all of the gate receipts. If an EFL club is drawn away, they get to keep the majority of the gate receipts - say 75%. In addition, the EFL club gets a ticket allocation up to 50% of the ground capacity, not just a tiny block in the corner. That should keep everyone happy. UTT
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Post by orinoco on Sept 20, 2022 18:08:50 GMT 1
The best way to stop the amount of money in football is stop subscribing to sport channels, Sky etc, wonder how many people just on this forum subscribe that moan about the football pyramid. Not me. Ditched Sky Sports donkeys years ago. ditched sky sports like yourself, have BT but only until Jan until i can ditch Virgin, anyone who feeds these companies cannot really moan? |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 20, 2022 18:25:42 GMT 1
The smaller club is less likely to win a replay, than sneak a winner in 30mins of extra time off the back of a competitive performance, or , get to penalties, and have an increased chance of getting to the next round, compared to writing off all their 90mins worth of effort, and having to start again from scratch and raise their game to match the bigger team for another 90mins in a couple of weeks. Having replays is about money and results in the 'bigger' team being more likely to win through. Settling it in the one game is all about the beauty of knockout cup competition and those days when everything just slots into place for the little club. One example...10 years ago, when Premier League Wigan were on their way to FA Cup victory, they faced League 2 Bradford in the League Cup. 0-0 after extra time, and Bradford won on penalties. Bradford then were drawn against Arsenal, again held them and won on penalties - eventually getting all the way to the final where Swansea hammered them! My point is that with replays, the HIGH likelihood is that Wigan (and then Arsenal) would have approached a second game with an entirely different mindset, and in any replays would likely have swept Bradford away similar to what Swansea did. Replays protect the bigger teams - and are a one day money grab for littler teams. Get rid of them. Well, let's just hope that you never end up supporting a "littler team" then. Oh... Wait a minute... Not sure I get your point, when Hudds are the "littler team" against a Premier League team, and we're drawing after 90mins, I'd *always* prefer to spin the coin for a result in the next 30mins/pens, as you know a replay is almost always going to result in massive disappointment. And when Hudds are the "bigger team" against a lower league club, I'd rather get it out of the way on the night one way or the other, rather than congest the fixture list when there are tougher league games to concentrate on. Think back to 2017...at the time of playing Man City in the cup we'd been on a cracking run...add on extra time and pens and we might have beaten them from 0-0 at 90mins, or we might have lost by a goal or two. For me, either of those outcomes would have been far better than the faff of having the extra fixture, getting hammered 5-1, and going on to lose as many games in the two months after that fixture, as we had in the previous 7 months. It turned out alright though! Consider this. After 90mins of dreariness v Reading in the final, would you rather chance the arm by playing another 30 and penalties, or would you rather pause for a couple of weeks and go again another day hoping Reading will be as poor as they were, and hoping we're going to be a bit better? I know which I'd pick every time given that option. |
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Post by drewden on Sept 20, 2022 18:48:31 GMT 1
Everything about football changed when they formed the P.L, money, cheating, corruption, bad refs, the merry go round of managers, even today you have preservations before a ball is kicked how bent the refs going to be.
I will be very happy if they got rid of the prem tomorrow, and let the rest of the leagues get on with it.
Let the prem go join a super circus league.
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Post by orinoco on Sept 20, 2022 18:50:30 GMT 1
Well, let's just hope that you never end up supporting a "littler team" then. Oh... Wait a minute... Not sure I get your point, when Hudds are the "littler team" against a Premier League team, and we're drawing after 90mins, I'd *always* prefer to spin the coin for a result in the next 30mins/pens, as you know a replay is almost always going to result in massive disappointment. And when Hudds are the "bigger team" against a lower league club, I'd rather get it out of the way on the night one way or the other, rather than congest the fixture list when there are tougher league games to concentrate on. Think back to 2017...at the time of playing Man City in the cup we'd been on a cracking run...add on extra time and pens and we might have beaten them from 0-0 at 90mins, or we might have lost by a goal or two. For me, either of those outcomes would have been far better than the faff of having the extra fixture, getting hammered 5-1, and going on to lose as many games in the two months after that fixture, as we had in the previous 7 months. It turned out alright though! Consider this. After 90mins of dreariness v Reading in the final, would you rather chance the arm by playing another 30 and penalties, or would you rather pause for a couple of weeks and go again another day hoping Reading will be as poor as they were, and hoping we're going to be a bit better? I know which I'd pick every time given that option. if you look at attendances back in division 1 or the prem as it us now in the 80s, they were nothing like now, Man u were most with 40 odd k, sunderland got that in division 3 last season, Sheff weds double it in 3rd div every home game!! |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 20, 2022 19:19:52 GMT 1
If anyone has listened to Ben Foster and his podcast.
His ideas for this would be fantastic. Replace it with the charity shield as whonactually watches that anyway?
His ideas.
1. PL best rated player from the North and the South are the captains.
2. They each pick a player for their team.
3. The players they pick then picks the next one.
4. You can't select someone from your own team. And it's 3 max from any team.
It would be what a lot would want. Northern team potentially having Haaland, Salah, Bruno Fernandes, De Bruyne all playing together.
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