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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 20, 2022 19:56:28 GMT 1
Everything about football changed when they formed the P.L, money, cheating, corruption, bad refs, the merry go round of managers, even today you have preservations before a ball is kicked how bent the refs going to be. I will be very happy if they got rid of the prem tomorrow, and let the rest of the leagues get on with it. Let the prem go join a super circus league. Me too drewden... but sadly most of the ones at ma bit have been sucked in by it all and for years as well - yeah they pretty much have no connection to the big Premier League teams but still go for it anyway - recently I said to one... How’s Man Utd doing and the response was “I don’t really support them anymore” Thankfully while fishing last week a fella came up for a chat as he seen me reeling in a mackerel and we got talking about the footy of course and he said that his family and himself are delighted with the beauty of The Whisky Isle and he is in IT at Bruichladdich Distillery now and relocated and is a huge Lincoln City fan which was very nice to hear - generally guys like him that come from places like that go with their local team and we are getting more and more relocating to The West Island and following the ‘small’ clubs and the guy that runs Islay Studios Mark Unsworth is a Swindon Town fan which is nice to see ! That lad Jon loved ma Huddersfield Town story and equally I love his supporting of his ‘wee Lincoln City imps’ - of course The Cowley Brothers were discussed at length and I reminded him that Town were the first team in The UK to win on the goalden goal v Lincoln and he quickly reminded me (as if I needed reminding) that the reason we poached The Cowley Brothers was because they dumped HTAFC outta The League Cup ! We both agreed that The Premier League is boring and uninteresting and greedy ! |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 20, 2022 21:05:14 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league? I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final. its proper shite.And proper shite entry prices too 28901 - I’m not sure what the English clubs are charging but the street chat up here is Celtic are demanding £43 per game and Rangers are wanting £71 - make no mistake it’s Glasgow and 60,000 and 50,000 will pay these prices respectively without question, that’s the way it is there... With these two in for the first time in years it’ll spice it up a wee bit but it’ll be cannon fodder for the ‘biggies’ and easy points, but generally it’s the same old, same old, same old bore fest... Give me The Championship, League 1 and 2, The Vauxhall Conference and The North and South versions too any day of the week over The Champions ?? League and also The Premier League ! |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 20, 2022 21:23:07 GMT 1
Not sure I get your point, when Hudds are the "littler team" against a Premier League team, and we're drawing after 90mins, I'd *always* prefer to spin the coin for a result in the next 30mins/pens, as you know a replay is almost always going to result in massive disappointment. And when Hudds are the "bigger team" against a lower league club, I'd rather get it out of the way on the night one way or the other, rather than congest the fixture list when there are tougher league games to concentrate on. Think back to 2017...at the time of playing Man City in the cup we'd been on a cracking run...add on extra time and pens and we might have beaten them from 0-0 at 90mins, or we might have lost by a goal or two. For me, either of those outcomes would have been far better than the faff of having the extra fixture, getting hammered 5-1, and going on to lose as many games in the two months after that fixture, as we had in the previous 7 months. It turned out alright though! Consider this. After 90mins of dreariness v Reading in the final, would you rather chance the arm by playing another 30 and penalties, or would you rather pause for a couple of weeks and go again another day hoping Reading will be as poor as they were, and hoping we're going to be a bit better? I know which I'd pick every time given that option. if you look at attendances back in division 1 or the prem as it us now in the 80s, they were nothing like now, Man u were most with 40 odd k, sunderland got that in division 3 last season, Sheff weds double it in 3rd div every home game!! I'm assuming you meant to reply to someone else...I've not ever mentioned attendances current or historic and don't really care about them either! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2022 21:36:03 GMT 1
Not sure I get your point, when Hudds are the "littler team" against a Premier League team, and we're drawing after 90mins, I'd *always* prefer to spin the coin for a result in the next 30mins/pens, as you know a replay is almost always going to result in massive disappointment. And when Hudds are the "bigger team" against a lower league club, I'd rather get it out of the way on the night one way or the other, rather than congest the fixture list when there are tougher league games to concentrate on. Think back to 2017...at the time of playing Man City in the cup we'd been on a cracking run...add on extra time and pens and we might have beaten them from 0-0 at 90mins, or we might have lost by a goal or two. For me, either of those outcomes would have been far better than the faff of having the extra fixture, getting hammered 5-1, and going on to lose as many games in the two months after that fixture, as we had in the previous 7 months. It turned out alright though! Consider this. After 90mins of dreariness v Reading in the final, would you rather chance the arm by playing another 30 and penalties, or would you rather pause for a couple of weeks and go again another day hoping Reading will be as poor as they were, and hoping we're going to be a bit better? I know which I'd pick every time given that option. if you look at attendances back in division 1 or the prem as it us now in the 80s, they were nothing like now, Man u were most with 40 odd k, sunderland got that in division 3 last season, Sheff weds double it in 3rd div every home game!! Thank you're being generous on 40k, I'm not sure Manchester United even got 30k in those days. I have some 80's Rothmans which I glance now and again and the crowds are very low compared to now. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 21:45:03 GMT 1
Sounds like a great idea to me. FA Cup ties should be resolved at the home they're drawn at, not taken to a replay. If you're a little team who has given their absolute all for 90mins, perhaps still in the game through moments of sheer luck...wouldn't you always prefer to continue that momentum and hope to get lucky with a winner in the next 30mins or penalties, rather than having to reset and do it all again from scratch in a couple of weeks time. And if you're a big team who has been held by a little team for 90mins, surely you'd fancy your chances of completing the job in the next 30mins rather than having to start again in a couple of weeks and play out another full 90mins against a bunch of cloggers who are there to out muscle you? Replays are the money grab, I'll wholeheartedly support getting rid of them in all competitions. Fa cup used to be the greatest cup competition in domestic football world wide. They ( money men) eventually got into the fans and clubs heads and made the competition irrelevant, fans see it as a distraction ask yourself why. Your even answering the debate with a money answer they convince you it’s all about money. But it’s always about their money not ours. So they make success all about money , irrelevant that nearly all clubs have stopped being able to compete. The game is now can we finish one place higher so we get more money, winning is irrelevant. The worst thing is they’ve got into the youths heads and they back them up. Bit by bit they destroy our football history , in the near future the league cup will hardly exist and next the fa cup. The pyramid will be pulled apart by these monsters but many fans will back them all for a select 10 making proposterous money. Its only a matter of time before I pack in altogether and just watch Brighouse. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 21:49:36 GMT 1
Does anyone watch the Champions league? I haven't seen a match for years except half heartedly watching the final. its proper shite. I think the knock out stages of the CL often have some of the best quality and most exciting games of the season. The league bit before it becomes knock out isn’t up to much. I believe you but I'm just not interested. Like International football, it used to be fairly rare and exciting. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 21:56:52 GMT 1
if you look at attendances back in division 1 or the prem as it us now in the 80s, they were nothing like now, Man u were most with 40 odd k, sunderland got that in division 3 last season, Sheff weds double it in 3rd div every home game!! Thank you're being generous on 40k, I'm not sure Manchester United even got 30k in those days. I have some 80's Rothmans which I glance now and again and the crowds are very low compared to now. Have another look. Early 80s Man U were the only club who always got above 40k. Liverpool about 40k usually. Crowds were wank though. Arsenal were getting 20 odd and even under for some matches. Notts County and Coventry got under 10k in the top flight. When Town got 28901 v Barnsley it got a special mention on match of the day as it was the 5th highest of the day in a time when everyone played on a Saturday. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2022 21:58:38 GMT 1
Thank you're being generous on 40k, I'm not sure Manchester United even got 30k in those days. I have some 80's Rothmans which I glance now and again and the crowds are very low compared to now. Have another look. Early 80s Man U were the only club who always got above 40k. Liverpool about 40k usually. Crowds were wank though. Arsenal were getting 20 odd and even under for some matches. Notts County and Coventry got under 10k in the top flight. When Town got 28901 v Barnsley it got a special mention on match of the day as it was the 5th highest of the day in a time when everyone played on a Saturday. Aye, I did just check, 84/85 and their average was just over 40k. I just glanced at Liverpool's for the same season which varied wildly between 20 odd k to 40 odd k. They even revord a low crowd of 13500 for a home league cup tie, which wouldn't happen now. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 20, 2022 22:05:00 GMT 1
Have another look. Early 80s Man U were the only club who always got above 40k. Liverpool about 40k usually. Crowds were wank though. Arsenal were getting 20 odd and even under for some matches. Notts County and Coventry got under 10k in the top flight. When Town got 28901 v Barnsley it got a special mention on match of the day as it was the 5th highest of the day in a time when everyone played on a Saturday. Aye, I did just check, 84/85 and their average was just over 40k. Weirdly back in the 80s I used to scour the scores, scorers,league tables and attendances every Sunday when the paper arrived, and midweek. Another little football pleasure the cocks in charge of todays game have taken away, with their made up nonsensical crowd figures Thats if they give it at all. Barely even check the scores now, unless it affects Town. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 20, 2022 22:22:18 GMT 1
Thank you're being generous on 40k, I'm not sure Manchester United even got 30k in those days. I have some 80's Rothmans which I glance now and again and the crowds are very low compared to now. Have another look. Early 80s Man U were the only club who always got above 40k. Liverpool about 40k usually. Crowds were wank though. Arsenal were getting 20 odd and even under for some matches. Notts County and Coventry got under 10k in the top flight. When Town got 28901 v Barnsley it got a special mention on match of the day as it was the 5th highest of the day in a time when everyone played on a Saturday. That was largely due to football in this country being mainly about having a scrap, and no coverage hardly unlike now it’s a media frenzy. The grounds were far better for atmosphere then with a quarter of the people in them though, and nearly all clubs were not run at a loss, so exactly what are we gaining from filing the stadiums. Shit atmosphere and clubs losing brass and the games not as competitive . |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 20, 2022 22:24:00 GMT 1
Aye, I did just check, 84/85 and their average was just over 40k. Weirdly back in the 80s I used to scour the scores, scorers,league tables and attendances every Sunday when the paper arrived, and midweek. Another little football pleasure the cocks in charge of todays game have taken away, with their made up nonsensical crowd figures Thats if they give it at all. Barely even check the scores now, unless it affects Town. The crowd figures are laughable now. I know everyone does it, of course, but the number supposedly inside the ground for that Wigan game last week? 17,941. Chinny reckon. 12 or 13k, at the very most. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2022 22:32:30 GMT 1
Aye, I did just check, 84/85 and their average was just over 40k. Weirdly back in the 80s I used to scour the scores, scorers,league tables and attendances every Sunday when the paper arrived, and midweek. Another little football pleasure the cocks in charge of todays game have taken away, with their made up nonsensical crowd figures Thats if they give it at all. Barely even check the scores now, unless it affects Town. Yeah, as a kid, I used to too, a right good scrutinising. That was the only way though, there was no other mass media coversge like there is now, Sunday papers then the Rothmans compiled all in one place. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 20, 2022 22:37:09 GMT 1
Once there are enough foreign/American owners in the PL to vote through change there will be no more promotion or relegation to the PL. They will have the financial clout to beat any FA or EFL challenge. Three years max for this to happen. Your spot on might take longer than 3 years but if the super league doesn’t happen first this will happen. The sad thing is the sheep will follow and back it , you can tell just from this debate on here. If you tell enough people the sky isn’t blue eventually they will agree. Social media frightening. And the attendance now is tickets sold , knockvthousands off the real attendance every game every week., |
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Post by mosher on Sept 21, 2022 9:53:58 GMT 1
I think the no replay thing would be okay ...
IF they played it at the smaller clubs' ground no matter how they're pulled out of the hat/bag/shiny silver pedestal.
And then the smaller club can decide whether to swap to the bigger venue if it would earn them more dollar!
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Post by mosher on Sept 21, 2022 9:57:25 GMT 1
The best way to stop the amount of money in football is stop subscribing to sport channels, Sky etc, wonder how many people just on this forum subscribe that moan about the football pyramid. Not me. Ditched Sky Sports donkeys years ago. Never had a Sky subscription. Last time I had one it was still BSkyB. I've had dodgy cards and boxes since then but never paid a penny into Sky. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 21, 2022 10:04:12 GMT 1
Weirdly back in the 80s I used to scour the scores, scorers,league tables and attendances every Sunday when the paper arrived, and midweek. Another little football pleasure the cocks in charge of todays game have taken away, with their made up nonsensical crowd figures Thats if they give it at all. Barely even check the scores now, unless it affects Town. The crowd figures are laughable now. I know everyone does it, of course, but the number supposedly inside the ground for that Wigan game last week? 17,941. Chinny reckon. 12 or 13k, at the very most. Chinny reckon? Fuck me I'm back in 1983, Bulford Camp, 10 years old, war in the woods with sticks for guns, jumpers for goalposts, mmmm, isn't it, lovely, mmmm!  |
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Post by bogart on Sept 21, 2022 11:32:04 GMT 1
Too many games to play? Well stop having all thes various European leagues CL, Europa League, Europa Conference. At the rate they are sprouting up Town will be in one soon
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Post by mosher on Sept 21, 2022 11:42:23 GMT 1
Too many games to play? Well stop having all thes various European leagues CL, Europa League, Europa Conference. At the rate they are sprouting up Town will be in one soon And stop taking every opportunity to play games in the far east and US. Especially when you take that opportunity during what is supposed to be a mid season break. |
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Post by Richard1986 on Sept 21, 2022 12:27:45 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782Shoud just bin em off along with VAR |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 21, 2022 12:40:04 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782Shoud just bin em off along with VAR 👍👍👍 |
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Post by bogart on Sept 21, 2022 13:19:38 GMT 1
Too many games to play? Well stop having all thes various European leagues CL, Europa League, Europa Conference. At the rate they are sprouting up Town will be in one soon And stop taking every opportunity to play games in the far east and US. Especially when you take that opportunity during what is supposed to be a mid season break. ££££££s and more ££££££s |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 23, 2022 13:37:17 GMT 1
Couldn't find a more appropriate thread for this one, but it's on a similar theme as to how business orientated football has become. Griezmann's game time, managed by a spreadsheet... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62970313 |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Sept 24, 2022 13:15:20 GMT 1
I remember when I thought a crowd of 5000 was decent for Town.
Think the German cup is drawn in a similar way. The lowest ranked club always plays at home unless you draw a club from the same tier then it's as it comes out of the hat.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 2, 2022 22:26:06 GMT 1
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2022 10:01:40 GMT 1
"Football does not recognise that the game in its present form is "sick"... Our beloved sport is sick".
He's saying football as it stands is brilliant - I don't see what the issue is? Football is well sick innit bruv. Brrrrrap
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2023 18:55:45 GMT 1
Sorry for dredging this one up, but I do believe the PL are culpable to some degree in how we’ve ended up here. Theatrics of the players have probably crept into grass roots football a long time ago. But bodycams for referees? FFS, these are the norm for police and front line emergency services, not someone who’s given up their time to Ref a bunch of kids… www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64673060 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2023 21:43:15 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sportBoth Manchester clubs run by moneyed Middle East owners. The joys of English football… It’ll be interesting to see if the traditionalists are up in arms about this one if it grows legs.
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Post by 28901 on Feb 17, 2023 23:23:02 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782Absolute shower of wankers |
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Post by harrychrishner on Feb 18, 2023 14:11:41 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782great idea, always hated replays. Kills the excitement and momentum of the cup tie. Penalties every time for me. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 18, 2023 14:31:22 GMT 1
Is this another one of their initiatives that 'looks after the pyramid'. Is it bollocks, the usual self-interest from the PL. Bunch of fecking shysters, piss off to Europe and give football back to the fans... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782great idea, always hated replays. Kills the excitement and momentum of the cup tie. Penalties every time for me. Not sure many of the smaller clubs would agree. Earning a replay against a big club can be a massive lifeline for them, the magic of the FA Cup and all that. |
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