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Post by Melc on Feb 8, 2023 15:11:45 GMT 1
No someone else on the board wont / can’t pay to sack him and employ someone else Sorry I can’t find the original post, but where you mention DH had full control when sacked Schofield but now doesn’t. What have I missed in relation to the ownership? I thought DH had taken over from PH because of the financial situation and that was it, DH had full financial and running of the club. How can it then revert back to PH? Starting to thing htafc35 is not a fully fledged ITK member. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 8, 2023 15:11:46 GMT 1
Oh course he earns as much as the players. He’d have even less respect from them than he currently has, a very low bar.
Like i’ve said before there’s only one way out of this and that’s this current set up starts winning some games.
Don’t be thinking those in charge don’t know they ballsed up this appointment but here we are. Protests, booing, not turning up etc simply decrease our chances of getting points.
Don’t worry that supporting the team might be seen as an endorsement of the coach, we are way beyond that.
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Post by Uddersfield on Feb 8, 2023 15:12:05 GMT 1
Can’t help feeling you have a bit of an agenda in the situation so I’m still taking this info with a pinch of salt, but even if it was 30% lower than quoted it’d be high. What a shitshow An agenda regarding what MF earns? I haven't commented whether it's good or bad just stating what he's paid. People can make their own assessments on whether that pay (and severance) is justified. No wonder the club is on it's arse when we're handing out shit like that. There must be a clause somewhere which Hoyle has put in to cover his back if it all goes downhill.. which is has. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Feb 8, 2023 15:12:16 GMT 1
MF is right up there with the highest paid people at the club. Getting rid of him will run into 7 figures. If that's the case then I have to take my hat off to his agent. Definitely reminded me of this: The story of Johnson's contract negotiations with Leeds have passed into legend, a chilling damnation of Ridsdale's spendthrift regime. It goes as follows: Johnson had been earning £5,000 a week at Derby and his agent told him he wouldn't settle for less than £13,000 a week at Leeds. Ridsdale's opening gambit, however, surprised them both. "Right, I'm sorry, I can only offer you £30,000 a week," he said. Around the table jaws dropped in genuine shock. "Oh, all right then," said Ridsdale, filling the silence, "£37,000." |
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Post by Lovechops on Feb 8, 2023 15:13:00 GMT 1
It’s been awfully quiet on the clubs social media today usually tweets in a morning after a match re point away etc , scorers etc are non existent ??
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Post by boooothy on Feb 8, 2023 15:13:39 GMT 1
MF is right up there with the highest paid people at the club. Getting rid of him will run into 7 figures. If that's the case then I have to take my hat off to his agent. Maybe it’s Mbenza’s guy |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 8, 2023 15:14:15 GMT 1
So any potential new owner will have to find over a million just to sack the manager before they even get their feet under the desk?
It's not a circus, It's a fucking asylum.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 8, 2023 15:15:34 GMT 1
Can’t help feeling you have a bit of an agenda in the situation so I’m still taking this info with a pinch of salt, but even if it was 30% lower than quoted it’d be high. What a shitshow An agenda regarding what MF earns? I haven't commented whether it's good or bad just stating what he's paid. People can make their own assessments on whether that pay (and severance) is justified. An agenda where everything is pro PH and negative DH from what I’ve seen, which is odd I think. Feel free to DM me we’ve met a couple of times I’m pretty sure. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Feb 8, 2023 15:16:48 GMT 1
Sorry I can’t find the original post, but where you mention DH had full control when sacked Schofield but now doesn’t. What have I missed in relation to the ownership? I thought DH had taken over from PH because of the financial situation and that was it, DH had full financial and running of the club. How can it then revert back to PH? Starting to thing htafc35 is not a fully fledged ITK member. In fairness, there was a lot of chatter around October/November time that a deadline had passed and things related to ownership had reverted to PH. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 8, 2023 15:17:07 GMT 1
It’s been awfully quiet on the clubs social media today usually tweets in a morning after a match re point away etc , scorers etc are non existent ?? Clubs probably reading the room at the sheer anger of the fan base. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 8, 2023 15:18:07 GMT 1
PH not involved in any decision making - it's all Hoyle/Baldwin - the 75% ownership is academic as he's no longer a director/chairman OK then Maynard what the hell is stopping Hoyle who apparently does not want MF being here , from sacking him it cannot be money as DH signed it off in the first place therefore logic states he would not sign a contract without knowing what the sacking fees etc were . When you buy a motor from a used car salesmen and get told it's the bees knees and what everyone wants you don't think you need to worry about a warranty...but once you drive it off the forecourt and realise it's a piece of shit and you've been had and there's a no returns policy...you'd be mad but refuse to throw good money after bad so you continue to splutter around town in said banger in the hope the wheels don't fall off. You might feel like you want to shoot the car salesman however! |
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Post by townrwe on Feb 8, 2023 15:18:24 GMT 1
So any potential new owner will have to find over a million just to sack the manager before they even get their feet under the desk? It's not a circus, It's a fucking asylum. The only way that's true is if the deal has already been done regardless of division at a set price, then i suppose deano would just think fuck it, not wasting my million some other c*** can pay it. If its dependant on division then the pressure is on deano to act |
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Post by buckers on Feb 8, 2023 15:20:23 GMT 1
OK then Maynard what the hell is stopping Hoyle who apparently does not want MF being here , from sacking him it cannot be money as DH signed it off in the first place therefore logic states he would not sign a contract without knowing what the sacking fees etc were . When you buy a motor from a used car salesmen and get told it's the bees knees and what everyone wants you don't think you need to worry about a warranty...but once you drive it off the forecourt and realise it's a piece of shit and you've been had and there's a no returns policy...you'd be mad but refuse to throw good money after bad so you continue to splutter around town in said banger in the hope the wheels don't fall off. You might feel like you want to shoot the car salesman however! We. Are. F****d |
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 8, 2023 15:20:27 GMT 1
I am smelling rubbish from this "hoyle can't sack mf" remember everyone , he signed off on loan deals in January with problems where was the issue then ? he could sack MF whenever he chooses he is jsut deciding to keep his money in his pocket. I do not believe for a second that DH could not sack him if he wanted to, MF will never been on more money or even close to the same cash as AK , even with Fulham paying some of it. DH is using every single excuse in the book and hiding behind Baldwin. This club is dying on its feet and Hoyle does not care anymore that is the sad truth. Reading between the lines. The end of the January window was a line in the sand in terms of investment and the agreement on Hoyle's return from the new owners. Spending another £1m+ now to sack MF (and the cost of bringing in a new manager) throws those calculations out of the window. Maybe it's not being blocked by PH, but needs to be agreed with new owners? Have I missed something? What new owners? Ones wanting a League 1 club with £50m debt? |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 8, 2023 15:20:56 GMT 1
OK then Maynard what the hell is stopping Hoyle who apparently does not want MF being here , from sacking him it cannot be money as DH signed it off in the first place therefore logic states he would not sign a contract without knowing what the sacking fees etc were . When you buy a motor from a used car salesmen and get told it's the bees knees and what everyone wants you don't think you need to worry about a warranty...but once you drive it off the forecourt and realise it's a piece of shit and you've been had and there's a no returns policy...you'd be mad but refuse to throw good money after bad so you continue to splutter around town in said banger in the hope the wheels don't fall off. You might feel like you want to shoot the car salesman however! Realistically is there any chance MF will be sacked in the coming days? I feel like most of the board are hoping he will but if there's really no chance then we can all save our energy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 15:23:11 GMT 1
Not blocking it but needs to be agreed with all involved including potential new owners. A replacement needs to be sounded out also prior to anything happening. PH not involved in any decision making - it's all Hoyle/Baldwin - the 75% ownership is academic as he's no longer a director/chairman Maynard my post was more that any decision to spend more money and a lot on sacking and replacing MF needs to be agreed with potential new owners as this would either a) change the terms of the deal or b) mean that this would all come out of DH pocket without any of it ever coming back to him. a) could be quite easy to negotiate if the new owners don’t want MF as they would need to pay this anyway. But they may also say it’s up to you to keep the team up and if you need to invest now to make that happen so be it. b) is DH willing to pay out say another 2million knowing he won’t get it back, but would get more money from a sale of a championship club should a new manager save us. By the way I don’t like MF but I actually still think we might stay up with him in charge, once AK is fit enough to start we will look a better side, DH might think the same and therefore keeps is circa 2million…….. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Feb 8, 2023 15:25:05 GMT 1
PH not involved in any decision making - it's all Hoyle/Baldwin - the 75% ownership is academic as he's no longer a director/chairman Maynard my post was more that any decision to spend more money and a lot on sacking and replacing MF needs to be agreed with potential new owners as this would either a) change the terms of the deal or b) mean that this would all come out of DH pocket without any of it ever coming back to him. a) could be quite easy to negotiate if the new owners don’t want MF as they would need to pay this anyway. But they may also say it’s up to you to keep the team up and if you need to invest now to make that happen so be it. b) is DH willing to pay out say another 2million knowing he won’t get it back, but would get more money from a sale of a championship club should a new manager save us. By the way I don’t like MF but I actually still think we might stay up with him in charge, once AK is fit enough to start we will look a better side, DH might think the same and therefore keeps is circa 2million…….. So once again, the club's future is all down to a DH gamble on what makes him the most money. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 8, 2023 15:25:49 GMT 1
PH not involved in any decision making - it's all Hoyle/Baldwin - the 75% ownership is academic as he's no longer a director/chairman Maynard my post was more that any decision to spend more money and a lot on sacking and replacing MF needs to be agreed with potential new owners as this would either a) change the terms of the deal or b) mean that this would all come out of DH pocket without any of it ever coming back to him. a) could be quite easy to negotiate if the new owners don’t want MF as they would need to pay this anyway. But they may also say it’s up to you to keep the team up and if you need to invest now to make that happen so be it. b) is DH willing to pay out say another 2million knowing he won’t get it back, but would get more money from a sale of a championship club should a new manager save us. By the way I don’t like MF but I actually still think we might stay up with him in charge, once AK is fit enough to start we will look a better side, DH might think the same and therefore keeps is circa 2million…….. Yes I agree that Hoyle has more to consider when spending more money and increasing debt with potential investors looking on |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 8, 2023 15:30:29 GMT 1
An agenda regarding what MF earns? I haven't commented whether it's good or bad just stating what he's paid. People can make their own assessments on whether that pay (and severance) is justified. An agenda where everything is pro PH and negative DH from what I’ve seen, which is odd I think. Feel free to DM me we’ve met a couple of times I’m pretty sure. I have praised Dean to high heaven in previous years if you look back. But I can only call a spade a spade currently. Similar with PH, didn't care for the guy initially but thought he made some good calls later on and was unfortunate He should never have taken the club on in the first place though. |
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Post by Melc on Feb 8, 2023 15:33:23 GMT 1
So any potential new owner will have to find over a million just to sack the manager before they even get their feet under the desk? It's not a circus, It's a fucking asylum. What happens if the potential new owners tell DH they want the decks cleared before any takeover as they won’t pay for the clowns removal. |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 8, 2023 15:33:37 GMT 1
An agenda where everything is pro PH and negative DH from what I’ve seen, which is odd I think. Feel free to DM me we’ve met a couple of times I’m pretty sure. I have praised Dean to high heaven in previous years if you look back. But I can only call a spade a spade currently. Similar with PH, didn't care for the guy initially but thought he made some good calls later on and was unfortunate He should never have taken the club on in the first place though. I agree, mistakes have happened but just because you’ve got some of your old work mates phone numbers do you really think you should be affecting the fan bases thinking by pushing personal agendas on here? As a fan I’m not so sure personally. |
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Post by ritchie on Feb 8, 2023 15:38:49 GMT 1
I have praised Dean to high heaven in previous years if you look back. But I can only call a spade a spade currently. Similar with PH, didn't care for the guy initially but thought he made some good calls later on and was unfortunate He should never have taken the club on in the first place though. I agree, mistakes have happened but just because you’ve got some of your old work mates phone numbers do you really think you should be affecting the fan bases thinking by pushing personal agendas on here? As a fan I’m not so sure personally. I'd much rather hear what maynard has to say than not. Given the club is a mute these days. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 8, 2023 15:40:45 GMT 1
I have praised Dean to high heaven in previous years if you look back. But I can only call a spade a spade currently. Similar with PH, didn't care for the guy initially but thought he made some good calls later on and was unfortunate He should never have taken the club on in the first place though. I agree, mistakes have happened but just because you’ve got some of your old work mates phone numbers do you really think you should be affecting the fan bases thinking by pushing personal agendas on here? As a fan I’m not so sure personally. He's literally just explained why it isn't a personal agenda? |
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 8, 2023 15:42:24 GMT 1
No someone else on the board wont / can’t pay to sack him and employ someone else Sorry I can’t find the original post, but where you mention DH had full control when sacked Schofield but now doesn’t. What have I missed in relation to the ownership? I thought DH had taken over from PH because of the financial situation and that was it, DH had full financial and running of the club. How can it then revert back to PH? Won't the club have to pay Buzz before we're allowed back into the league? It's a footballing debt. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 8, 2023 15:42:40 GMT 1
I have praised Dean to high heaven in previous years if you look back. But I can only call a spade a spade currently. Similar with PH, didn't care for the guy initially but thought he made some good calls later on and was unfortunate He should never have taken the club on in the first place though. I agree, mistakes have happened but just because you’ve got some of your old work mates phone numbers do you really think you should be affecting the fan bases thinking by pushing personal agendas on here? As a fan I’m not so sure personally. You're the one asking Maynard questions then getting your titty lip out when he answers you. |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 8, 2023 15:42:53 GMT 1
I agree, mistakes have happened but just because you’ve got some of your old work mates phone numbers do you really think you should be affecting the fan bases thinking by pushing personal agendas on here? As a fan I’m not so sure personally. He's literally just explained why it isn't a personal agenda? If that’s what you think, you’re not paying attention. |
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Post by johnb1 on Feb 8, 2023 15:43:53 GMT 1
Maynard my post was more that any decision to spend more money and a lot on sacking and replacing MF needs to be agreed with potential new owners as this would either a) change the terms of the deal or b) mean that this would all come out of DH pocket without any of it ever coming back to him. a) could be quite easy to negotiate if the new owners don’t want MF as they would need to pay this anyway. But they may also say it’s up to you to keep the team up and if you need to invest now to make that happen so be it. b) is DH willing to pay out say another 2million knowing he won’t get it back, but would get more money from a sale of a championship club should a new manager save us. By the way I don’t like MF but I actually still think we might stay up with him in charge, once AK is fit enough to start we will look a better side, DH might think the same and therefore keeps is circa 2million…….. Yes I agree that Hoyle has more to consider when spending more money and increasing debt with potential investors looking on Is it the case that MF knows they want rid, as do the players? |
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Post by Sio on Feb 8, 2023 15:45:48 GMT 1
He's literally just explained why it isn't a personal agenda? If that’s what you think, you’re not paying attention. I certainly wish I wasn't! |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 8, 2023 15:46:56 GMT 1
Reading between the lines. The end of the January window was a line in the sand in terms of investment and the agreement on Hoyle's return from the new owners. Spending another £1m+ now to sack MF (and the cost of bringing in a new manager) throws those calculations out of the window. Maybe it's not being blocked by PH, but needs to be agreed with new owners? Have I missed something? What new owners? Ones wanting a League 1 club with £50m debt? No insider knowledge, but I can't see anyone paying off Dean's loans (£50M) to takeover a League 1 club. If we do have an interested buyer, I can only see any potential deal going out off the window if we are relegated. |
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Post by morrisraspass on Feb 8, 2023 15:47:08 GMT 1
Enjoying the analogies today ... DH as someone buying a car, Fothers as a used-car salesman; DH as a restaurateur, Fothers as the chef. All good stuff, unlike the football
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