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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 30, 2022 11:24:37 GMT 1
THere was two women on the pitch probably late 40's early 50's they were not hooligans just very foolish. There were a few thousand on the pitch, I think we can safely say a few thousand of them (bar a hundred tops) weren’t hooligans. Half of them probably not even aware it was an offence, just got carried away by the moment. Which in such an emotive game people should be allowed to do, as usual a few dickheads intent on slapping players or nutting them or chucking coins into the opposition fans have to spoil it for the rest. It's quite simple really. Fans are ALWAYS TOLD that going on the pitch is unlawful and will result in some kind of retribution. No exceptions. Why is it that people cannot process this? No excuses - everybody knew what they were doing. Every single person on that pitch, whether having fun, intent on goading, causing ABH, or whatever, knew fine well that he/she/it was breaking the law and could be prosecuted. And yet people moan like hell that they weren't doing any harm - but you were breaking the law and you damned well knew it! You can have absolutely no complaints if Plod or the Club come knocking on your door. It really is that simple. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Sept 30, 2022 11:28:29 GMT 1
See it as harmless fun in the main part and for most kids abit of a right of passage.
Running on at the end of the season, cup game giant killings, promotions and surivival matches.
Several hundred ran onto the pitch, sang a couple of songs in the centre circle and made their way off 5 mins later.
Its the 14 who the police have identified that we've got to blame for the fine...which imo seems excessive.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Sept 30, 2022 12:38:21 GMT 1
Everton just fined 300,000 pounds for similar offence
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 30, 2022 13:00:25 GMT 1
👆👆👆👆 No idea where his pockets are! It's wholly, totally, completely unacceptable, please try to understand? Don't insult me just because I have a different opinion to you.I saw dad's with kids on their shoulders just embracing the moment, not all we're "knuckle draggers" I apologise if you felt insulted, however I do think its clear that your opinion is wholly, totally, completely unacceptable. |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 30, 2022 14:20:57 GMT 1
There were a few thousand on the pitch, I think we can safely say a few thousand of them (bar a hundred tops) weren’t hooligans. Half of them probably not even aware it was an offence, just got carried away by the moment. Which in such an emotive game people should be allowed to do, as usual a few dickheads intent on slapping players or nutting them or chucking coins into the opposition fans have to spoil it for the rest. It's quite simple really. Fans are ALWAYS TOLD that going on the pitch is unlawful and will result in some kind of retribution. No exceptions. Why is it that people cannot process this? No excuses - everybody knew what they were doing. Every single person on that pitch, whether having fun, intent on goading, causing ABH, or whatever, knew fine well that he/she/it was breaking the law and could be prosecuted. And yet people moan like hell that they weren't doing any harm - but you were breaking the law and you damned well knew it! You can have absolutely no complaints if Plod or the Club come knocking on your door. It really is that simple. It’s also really that simple that every footballer knows that if they take their shirt off when they score a goal they will be booked for it. But you can’t watch the highlights on a Saturday night without seeing it happen multiple times. So why do they do it? Because they get caught up in the moment of it. It’s the only sport that generates such passion week in week out and hopefully I’ll be long gone before the authorities have reduced us all to being strapped in our seats without being released until the final whistle |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 30, 2022 15:32:01 GMT 1
It's quite simple really. Fans are ALWAYS TOLD that going on the pitch is unlawful and will result in some kind of retribution. No exceptions. Why is it that people cannot process this? No excuses - everybody knew what they were doing. Every single person on that pitch, whether having fun, intent on goading, causing ABH, or whatever, knew fine well that he/she/it was breaking the law and could be prosecuted. And yet people moan like hell that they weren't doing any harm - but you were breaking the law and you damned well knew it! You can have absolutely no complaints if Plod or the Club come knocking on your door. It really is that simple. It’s also really that simple that every footballer knows that if they take their shirt off when they score a goal they will be booked for it. But you can’t watch the highlights on a Saturday night without seeing it happen multiple times. So why do they do it? Because they get caught up in the moment of it. It’s the only sport that generates such passion week in week out and hopefully I’ll be long gone before the authorities have reduced us all to being strapped in our seats without being released until the final whistle Because they're stupid. Yes, I know that you don't like that response, but it's true. The players also don't kick up a fuss about being booked (and possibly fined by their clubs - I would certainly fine any player so booked if I were a manager) because they know it's the consequence of that particular action, and yet fans squeal over their own actions resulting in a fine for the club. Still doesn't make it acceptable. Every single fan on the pitch at the end of that game was responsible for the club being fined - and they know it! |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 30, 2022 16:49:08 GMT 1
Don't insult me just because I have a different opinion to you.I saw dad's with kids on their shoulders just embracing the moment, not all we're "knuckle draggers" I apologise if you felt insulted, however I do think its clear that your opinion is wholly, totally, completely unacceptable. Live for the moment mate, life is short UTT |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 30, 2022 16:59:46 GMT 1
Growing up, I loved watching a giant killing club’s fans invading the pitch to celebrate a famous cup win and also team’s fans from the lower divisions celebrating a promotion and I’m not against that in any way as it’s been part of football since I was knee high to a grasshopper...
However - sadly of late - there have been too many knuckle dragging retrobates that have truly spoiled the moment of joyous celebration for the rest -
As always - it’s the selfish and ignorant and arrogant few who destroy the joy and happiness of the majority !
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 30, 2022 18:01:35 GMT 1
Growing up, I loved watching a giant killing club’s fans invading the pitch to celebrate a famous cup win and also team’s fans from the lower divisions celebrating a promotion and I’m not against that in any way as it’s been part of football since I was knee high to a grasshopper... However - sadly of late - there have been too many knuckle dragging retrobates that have truly spoiled the moment of joyous celebration for the rest - As always - it’s the selfish and ignorant and arrogant few who destroy the joy and happiness of the majority ! And probably not one of the ones you mention will be reading this or care about what they have caused. |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 30, 2022 18:33:45 GMT 1
Saw plenty of games highlights with fans on the pitch at end of last season holding their pathetic flares, thought they were illegal in grounds, why werent they arrested?.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2022 20:01:51 GMT 1
The club deserves fining , on the night they as good as promoted a pitch invasion . The gaps were left open the stewards and police weren’t interested in giving the impression going on the pitch was a deffo no goer. What influence does the club have over how games are policed and stewarded? R u really that naive . For starters who do you think is paying the stewards, and they have a huge say. Plus the ability to send messages over the tannoy in programmes and via social media is 100 percent in the hands of the club, they literally opened the gates. Absolutely no sympathy. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2022 20:04:36 GMT 1
Saw plenty of games highlights with fans on the pitch at end of last season holding their pathetic flares, thought they were illegal in grounds, why werent they arrested?. Because as I was saying the clubs involved more or less promoted it happening they deserve fines not blaming fan bases who had seen it night after night and some actually thought it normal. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2022 20:13:53 GMT 1
It’s also really that simple that every footballer knows that if they take their shirt off when they score a goal they will be booked for it. But you can’t watch the highlights on a Saturday night without seeing it happen multiple times. So why do they do it? Because they get caught up in the moment of it. It’s the only sport that generates such passion week in week out and hopefully I’ll be long gone before the authorities have reduced us all to being strapped in our seats without being released until the final whistle Because they're stupid. Yes, I know that you don't like that response, but it's true. The players also don't kick up a fuss about being booked (and possibly fined by their clubs - I would certainly fine any player so booked if I were a manager) because they know it's the consequence of that particular action, and yet fans squeal over their own actions resulting in a fine for the club. Still doesn't make it acceptable. Every single fan on the pitch at the end of that game was responsible for the club being fined - and they know it! Many people break the law in everyday life, dodgy sticks, going over speed limit on a motorway, drinking under the age of 18 etc. most crimes are so small the law don’t prosecute as they are seen as minor crimes, the way the season went and the amount of pitch invasions happening at the end of season this also was probably to many seen as a minor minor law break , a few idiots behaviour made it a bigger crime . But the way you are suggesting that everyone on the pitch are proper criminals is a MAJOR OVEREACTION . Some people in life are drama queens do you know what I’m saying , from a fan who didn’t go on pitch. I believe the clubs in general more or less promoted pitch invasions by leaving gates open , telling stewards to stand back and after many pitch invasions before towns the club not making it clear that invasion would not be accepted. So bar the few idiots who behaved terribly on the pitch for me the club were the main culprits on the night and rightly got fined. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 30, 2022 21:01:06 GMT 1
Because they're stupid. Yes, I know that you don't like that response, but it's true. The players also don't kick up a fuss about being booked (and possibly fined by their clubs - I would certainly fine any player so booked if I were a manager) because they know it's the consequence of that particular action, and yet fans squeal over their own actions resulting in a fine for the club. Still doesn't make it acceptable. Every single fan on the pitch at the end of that game was responsible for the club being fined - and they know it! Many people break the law in everyday life, dodgy sticks, going over speed limit on a motorway, drinking under the age of 18 etc. most crimes are so small the law don’t prosecute as they are seen as minor crimes, the way the season went and the amount of pitch invasions happening at the end of season this also was probably to many seen as a minor minor law break , a few idiots behaviour made it a bigger crime . But the way you are suggesting that everyone on the pitch are proper criminals is a MAJOR OVEREACTION . Some people in life are drama queens do you know what I’m saying , from a fan who didn’t go on pitch. I believe the clubs in general more or less promoted pitch invasions by leaving gates open , telling stewards to stand back and after many pitch invasions before towns the club not making it clear that invasion would not be accepted. So bar the few idiots who behaved terribly on the pitch for me the club were the main culprits on the night and rightly got fined. OK... Fine... Q1. Is it an offence to go on the pitch? Q2. Did these people KNOWINGLY go onto the pitch? Q3. How can any of those people protest their innocence? Anyway, I'm finished trying to point out the flaming obvious. If people want to go on the pitch, they most certainly always will, and the club has to suffer the consequences, paying fines of increasing amounts (viz. Everton) and, eventually, playing behind closed doors. Personally, I would rather that cash be spent on transfers and wages, and I'd like to be there watching home games. But, by all means, go on the pitch if you want to (not you personally, you understand). |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2022 21:08:48 GMT 1
Many people break the law in everyday life, dodgy sticks, going over speed limit on a motorway, drinking under the age of 18 etc. most crimes are so small the law don’t prosecute as they are seen as minor crimes, the way the season went and the amount of pitch invasions happening at the end of season this also was probably to many seen as a minor minor law break , a few idiots behaviour made it a bigger crime . But the way you are suggesting that everyone on the pitch are proper criminals is a MAJOR OVEREACTION . Some people in life are drama queens do you know what I’m saying , from a fan who didn’t go on pitch. I believe the clubs in general more or less promoted pitch invasions by leaving gates open , telling stewards to stand back and after many pitch invasions before towns the club not making it clear that invasion would not be accepted. So bar the few idiots who behaved terribly on the pitch for me the club were the main culprits on the night and rightly got fined. OK... Fine... Q1. Is it an offence to go on the pitch? Q2. Did these people KNOWINGLY go onto the pitch? Q3. How can any of those people protest their innocence? Anyway, I'm finished trying to point out the flaming obvious. If people want to go on the pitch, they most certainly always will, and the club has to suffer the consequences, paying fines of increasing amounts (viz. Everton) and, eventually, playing behind closed doors. Personally, I would rather that cash be spent on transfers and wages, and I'd like to be there watching home games. But, by all means, go on the pitch if you want to (not you personally, you understand). I answered your question 1 minor crime and number 2 , it had become the norm during play offs and crucial last games of season , No 3 minor crime because the clubs didn’t heed what was happening at all games around that time . The ones that pushed it too far not minor crimes. The clubs including town fucked up and deserved their punishment irrelevant of what it could of bought them. The fans who threw stuff at opposition or accosted players etc also deserve severe punishment. By the way I don’t think fans should go on pitch , but also think the club should play it’s part and in times like those make it perfectly clear the punishments and give the impression to fans it’s not acceptable ie leaving gates open and stewards standing to one side of the gates actively promoting it. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 30, 2022 21:51:29 GMT 1
What influence does the club have over how games are policed and stewarded? R u really that naive . For starters who do you think is paying the stewards, and they have a huge say. Plus the ability to send messages over the tannoy in programmes and via social media is 100 percent in the hands of the club, they literally opened the gates. Absolutely no sympathy. So when kick off times for Hull games historically have been set early on a Sunday with Hull fans having to arrive on official buses and pick up their tickets at the Services, do you think that Huddersfield Town Football Club as a participant in the Safety Advisory Group (a local council operated function) asked for that ?? |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2022 23:03:04 GMT 1
R u really that naive . For starters who do you think is paying the stewards, and they have a huge say. Plus the ability to send messages over the tannoy in programmes and via social media is 100 percent in the hands of the club, they literally opened the gates. Absolutely no sympathy. So when kick off times for Hull games historically have been set early on a Sunday with Hull fans having to arrive on official buses and pick up their tickets at the Services, do you think that Huddersfield Town Football Club as a participant in the Safety Advisory Group (a local council operated function) asked for that ?? No , but they had cart blanc to do things to stop pitch invasions for our play off game . |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Oct 1, 2022 0:59:28 GMT 1
The celebrations are way better when fans are invading the pitch?
This has been the case throughout history.
It’s called drama. It creates memories.
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Post by offsideclyde on Oct 1, 2022 6:46:31 GMT 1
It's illegal to enter the pitch.And everyone knows that.
It's illegal to throw coins at opposition fans and cause injury. And everyone knows that.
It's illegal to verbally abuse and threaten the Luton manager and coaching staff. And everyone knows that.
Each and everyone who entered the pitch is responsible for the 70k fine, regardless of what they did when they were on the pitch as it's illegal to be on in the first place.
Not sure how we can have any complaint and to be honest we got lucky compared to Everton.
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 1, 2022 7:25:44 GMT 1
its sort of a tradition to go on pitch after last game of season, did it as a kid at Leeds road a couple of times, but grew out of it!.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 1, 2022 8:14:05 GMT 1
Regarding the illegality, where people entered the pitch after final whistle when others were there, and with no attempt to hinder or prevent them going on the pitch by police or other security, a defence of “lawful authority or lawful excuse” would almost certainly stand up.
A bit like if you accidentally wandered into private property such as a museum, through an open door, with no malicious intent, and walked past people of authority who didn’t stop you or sell you a ticket, it would be reasonable to assume you’d been given lawful authority to be somewhere that you aren’t supposed to be…you’d never be punished.
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Post by scutcher on Oct 1, 2022 9:17:06 GMT 1
It's illegal to enter the pitch.And everyone knows that. It's illegal to throw coins at opposition fans and cause injury. And everyone knows that. It's illegal to verbally abuse and threaten the Luton manager and coaching staff. And everyone knows that. Each and everyone who entered the pitch is responsible for the 70k fine, regardless of what they did when they were on the pitch as it's illegal to be on in the first place. Not sure how we can have any complaint and to be honest we got lucky compared to Everton. It's illegal to do lots of things whether in a football ground or not, doesn't stop them doing it though. Coins are thrown and other stuff whether on the pitch or not! People are stabbed every day, I think that's illegal as well. The point I'm making is the people who do this will do it anywhere. People get glassed in Pubs for another example, is it the pubs fault? End of season pitch "invasions" used to be a harmless celebration at most clubs. |
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Post by offsideclyde on Oct 1, 2022 9:57:50 GMT 1
Yes it is illegal to stab someone and if you do you get the consequence that comes with it. And yes it happens all the time.
Yes it is illegal to glass someone in a pub and yes the pub has responsibilities to do all they can to keep people safe.
Just like the football club does too.
Often when that doesn't happen a pub will be closed down or a football club loses it's safety certificate or gets a fine.
Not sure we have any grounds at all to moan.
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Post by houllierspal on Oct 1, 2022 15:01:44 GMT 1
Agree there can be no complaint - providing there is parity with similar incidents, £70,000 seems ridiculous
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Post by keithAM11532 on Oct 2, 2022 16:33:14 GMT 1
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2022 14:03:15 GMT 1
Undoubtedly without a pitch invasion, there would have been less/no loss (although it seems some also died outside the stadium) - however lets not get into the mistake of apportioning all the blame on those who went on, there needs to be a full investigation (which there won't be). This follow up reveals a more detailed picture of what happened > www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63113027It does also perhaps answer the critics of the handling of Town v Luton, in explaining why a permissive approach to pitch incursions is the generally accepted standard worldwide. Fire 10's of tear gas canisters and launch into that Town v Luton aftermatch with swinging batons and the outcome would have been worse than it was. We all witnessed Town v Peterborough in the 90's - police being active on a football pitch and doing anything other than holding a defensive line to keep supporters separate never ends well. |
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 3, 2022 14:13:27 GMT 1
Undoubtedly without a pitch invasion, there would have been less/no loss (although it seems some also died outside the stadium) - however lets not get into the mistake of apportioning all the blame on those who went on, there needs to be a full investigation (which there won't be). This follow up reveals a more detailed picture of what happened > www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63113027It does also perhaps answer the critics of the handling of Town v Luton, in explaining why a permissive approach to pitch incursions is the generally accepted standard worldwide. Fire 10's of tear gas canisters and launch into that Town v Luton aftermatch with swinging batons and the outcome would have been worse than it was. We all witnessed Town v Peterborough in the 90's - police being active on a football pitch and doing anything other than holding a defensive line to keep supporters separate never ends well. I thought the Keystone Cops antics against Peterborough were the most entertaining part of the evening. |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 3, 2022 17:53:07 GMT 1
will the fans do goals on sunday and encroach the pitch if Town score?
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 3, 2022 18:21:14 GMT 1
As for that horrible event in Indonesia, good old coppers de-escalating situations and restoring calm and order as per. The moment a crowd becomes out of control is the moment things get dangerous.
I would say against Luton, even though the stewards weren't actively preventing anyone going on, the crowd was mainly under control apart from the corner where their fans were. The lot that went on to antagonise them are the reason that we've been fined, not the pitch invasion itself IMO. There was a pitch invasion every home playoff 2nd leg that I can remember off the top of my head (although I can't remember what happened at the end of the Barnsley one).
I actually went on the pitch for the first time against Luton, I used to sit in the Riverside upper tier, so it was never an option. I went on after a good few thousand being on before me. If we started a crowdfunder to match the fine I'd put a fiver in. But even though it's against the rules I'll have a hard time being told what I did was wrong! The bit I was on the pitch with the players on the fans shoulders, blue flares going off, after a last minute winner, one of my most treasured memories as a Town fan even with what happened at Wembley and what may or may not happen this season.
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