David Wagner

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Wagner will most likely come to Huddersfield however it all depends on whether Bromby is willing to step back and allow David to have full control of transfers.

If Bromby doesn't allow this then Wagner won't come.

[harris]

Sept 15, 2022 16:14:46 GMT 1 @blueandwhiteterrier1 said:

Wagner will most likely come to Huddersfield however it all depends on whether Bromby is willing to step back and allow David to have full control of transfers.

If Bromby doesn't allow this then Wagner won't come.

Does it really need a new thread mate - there’s about 12 you could’ve posted this in

Not to mention it’s just a repeat of what Dr Nose put on Twitter yesterday

[unclembenza]

You are joking me I didn’t no that

[Captainslapper]

Ive heard the same thing.

Think the relationship between DOF and manager has to be a partnership, but I can see how the manager should have the final say on a player.

Working under the budgets we have Im not sure Wagner would have the knowledge or contacts to know the players down the pyramid we are likely to go for. Thats where the DOF comes in.

[basil]

Sept 15, 2022 16:14:46 GMT 1 @blueandwhiteterrier1 said:

Wagner will most likely come to Huddersfield however it all depends on whether Bromby is willing to step back and allow David to have full control of transfers.

If Bromby doesn't allow this then Wagner won't come.
Why can't they behave like adults?

I still wonder how much better our stay in the prem would have been if we hadn't driven Webber away.

[galpharm2400]

My manager gets a big say in who comes to the club, who stays and who plays and how we play.
At this time the new manager if installed quickly, gets an international break and then a month off before the next window. Its about as ideal as it gets once a season has started.
The recruitment team should be tasked to find players that the manager is looking for and together they have to come to agreement over the recruitment of the players who most fit what we want, notwithstanding those we cant get from the lists for whatever reasons we have little or no control over.
I dont want a manager having players thrust upon him, again there will be some for a shorter or longer time because they were already here etc that he does not see in his plans.
Club like ours has unfortunately have to have these issues, until we get 17 or 18 that the manager WANTS to play or is happy to play.
This odd heirachy inbetween the owner and the manager with their own ideas of players and how we play would fuck me right off as a manager/head coach.

[shawsie]

Sept 15, 2022 16:20:24 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Ive heard the same thing.

Think the relationship between DOF and manager has to be a partnership, but I can see how the manager should have the final say on a player.

Working under the budgets we have Im not sure Wagner would have the knowledge or contacts to know the players down the pyramid we are likely to go for. Thats where the DOF comes in.

This screams to me - you are doing it my way and i aint having shite foisted on me like last time.......if true be interesting to see how it plays out

[Melc]

Just get the feeling a lot of us will be underwhelmed when we announce our new coach. Bromby still reading off the same hymn sheet going by his statement today. Yes Wagner would be great imo, but I just don’t think our owner has that ambition anymore.

[specialun]

Sept 15, 2022 16:20:24 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Ive heard the same thing.

Think the relationship between DOF and manager has to be a partnership, but I can see how the manager should have the final say on a player.

Working under the budgets we have Im not sure Wagner would have the knowledge or contacts to know the players down the pyramid we are likely to go for. Thats where the DOF comes in.

Webber / Wagner from the outside seemed to work well in terms of 1. Securing quality players - high success rate 2. Getting players over the line early

Wagner clearly had an influence more than some head coaches might - you only need to look at our signings to see that

It was less effective after Webber left when we didn’t have a DOF going into premier league, then one that left after 6m, then none… it all was a mess behind the scenes & it reflected in our recruitment

We got away with it year 1 through securing players who got us up, momentum and a few good additions

But it didn’t appear we had a cohesive plan off the field - we missed targets, ended up getting players late on - in positions we needed to add but gone was securing players early - it felt like a shambles, I’m sure Wagner thought the same

Whatever people think of Bromby it has to be of benefit to have stability in that role - to me he has too much say, nobody is telling me Carlos wanted Boyle or signed it off - unless he was on Greekvilla.net at the same time

[Dan]

Sept 15, 2022 18:37:36 GMT 1 Melc said:

Just get the feeling a lot of us will be underwhelmed when we announce our new coach. Bromby still reading off the same song sheet going by his statement today. Yes Wagner would be great imo, but I just don’t think our owner has that ambition anymore.

“We want a top-quality coach and a leader who will get the best from our talented squad; someone who is not only capable of making the team better as a collective and developing individuals, but who is also aligned with our Club philosophy to be brave, progressive, and not set any limitations on what is possible or can be achieved."

Part of Brombys statement today. My interpretation of that was David Wagner

[3Pipe]

Sept 15, 2022 18:43:39 GMT 1 Dan said:

“We want a top-quality coach and a leader who will get the best from our talented squad; someone who is not only capable of making the team better as a collective and developing individuals, but who is also aligned with our Club philosophy to be brave, progressive, and not set any limitations on what is possible or can be achieved."

Defo Wagner, been training since a kid for this moment.

[Melc]

Sept 15, 2022 18:43:39 GMT 1 Dan said:

Sept 15, 2022 18:37:36 GMT 1 Melc said:

Just get the feeling a lot of us will be underwhelmed when we announce our new coach. Bromby still reading off the same song sheet going by his statement today. Yes Wagner would be great imo, but I just don’t think our owner has that ambition anymore.

“We want a top-quality coach and a leader who will get the best from our talented squad; someone who is not only capable of making the team better as a collective and developing individuals, but who is also aligned with our Club philosophy to be brave, progressive, and not set any limitations on what is possible or can be achieved."

Part of Brombys statement today. My interpretation of that was David Wagner

I hope you are right.

[8pack]

The return of heavy metal football please...

high press...with a team that's fit,well organised and hungry.

No limits....

[brighousebandbred]

Sept 15, 2022 18:49:27 GMT 1 Melc said:

Sept 15, 2022 18:43:39 GMT 1 Dan said:

“We want a top-quality coach and a leader who will get the best from our talented squad; someone who is not only capable of making the team better as a collective and developing individuals, but who is also aligned with our Club philosophy to be brave, progressive, and not set any limitations on what is possible or can be achieved."

Part of Brombys statement today. My interpretation of that was David Wagner

I hope you are right.

I also hope your right but also can’t see it , for the exact same reasons.

[boooothy]

i just want Christophe Bhule arms crossed doing absolutely nothing

[Captainslapper]

Sept 15, 2022 18:28:48 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Sept 15, 2022 16:20:24 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Ive heard the same thing.

Think the relationship between DOF and manager has to be a partnership, but I can see how the manager should have the final say on a player.

Working under the budgets we have Im not sure Wagner would have the knowledge or contacts to know the players down the pyramid we are likely to go for. Thats where the DOF comes in.

This screams to me - you are doing it my way and i aint having shite foisted on me like last time.......if true be interesting to see how it plays out

Could well be that. I dont know how much say or influence Wagner had last time. You'd think he was behind the lads we brought in from Germany before the PL. After that, who knows, but Id imagine the players were put to him by the club , rather than the other way round.

I think Bromby has done enough these last couple of seasons working with the budget we have to prove to Wagner that he is someone who knows the lower ends of the pyramid and can find good players from it.
Basically someone Wagner can trust to not give him crap players.

[Junior & Onuora]

Sept 15, 2022 19:14:10 GMT 1 boooothy said:

i just want Christophe Bhule arms crossed doing absolutely nothing

I believe it's called physical presence.

[ben1987]

Sept 15, 2022 19:14:10 GMT 1 boooothy said:

i just want Christophe Bhule arms crossed doing absolutely nothing

Tbf if I come home and see our lass stood arms crossed doing absolutely nothing whilst looking at me, I know I’m in the shit. So it may put some fear into the players.

[capitalterrier]

Sept 15, 2022 18:37:36 GMT 1 Melc said:

Just get the feeling a lot of us will be underwhelmed when we announce our new coach. Bromby still reading off the same hymn sheet going by his statement today. Yes Wagner would be great imo, but I just don’t think our owner has that ambition anymore.

Bromby did reference no limits in his statement though...

[Dan]

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

[rockwall]

Sept 15, 2022 19:46:41 GMT 1 Dan said:

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

Agree with what you say Dan. On the other hand it gives whoever, Bromby or another to start a process now in prep for next season.
But then what if DW was to work miracles again?

[htfcterry]

Sept 15, 2022 19:46:41 GMT 1 Dan said:

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

No I was thinking about this earlier. If it is a 1 year deal for Wagner to use us as a stepping stone then avoid IMO. I’d rather get a coach in who is with us for the long term, even if we were to go down. I don’t think we will, but I don’t want a longer term temporary appointment.

[Moooooy]

Sept 15, 2022 19:46:41 GMT 1 Dan said:

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

As much as I’d love to have him back it only works if Wagner is fully committed to giving it another go with us. I don’t like the thought of him coming back as a stop gap to keep us up and then us having to change manager again in the summer. It’d be more difficult for the players to buy into it if they know he won’t be around next season, that was a massive part of the success last time.

[Clark W Griswald (CAS)]

A 12 month rolling contract would be fine by me. If it was DW and he leaves for a bigger club then that would probably mean we'll be still in the Championship and doing pretty well to boot. At the moment we're heading for league 1

[tepidterrier]

if Wagner was being tapped up since before Carlos left, why was Schofield not appointed on an interim basis? Needlessly ballsy move that's left us without a well thought of coach who wasn't ready for the big job.

[Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier]

Sept 15, 2022 20:04:18 GMT 1 Moooooy said:

Sept 15, 2022 19:46:41 GMT 1 Dan said:

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

As much as I’d love to have him back it only works if Wagner is fully committed to giving it another go with us. I don’t like the thought of him coming back as a stop gap to keep us up and then us having to change manager again in the summer. It’d be more difficult for the players to buy into it if they know he won’t be around next season, that was a massive part of the success last time.

I said basically the same as you earlier today on another thread. If DW was offered the job but his wife was going to remain in Germany then that would be a red flag to me that he was not in it for the long haul, and that wouldn’t send out the right message to either the players or (most of) the fans.

[detox]

tbh I don't care who comes in the sort this crisis out...but if it is Wagner then DH has got to back him financially...no ifs, no buts..and hopefully Buhler will come too, and Schindler as a coach,and hefele as a coach...yah !

[Clark W Griswald (CAS)]

Sept 15, 2022 20:13:25 GMT 1 detox said:

tbh I don't care who comes in the sort this crisis out...but if it is Wagner then DH has got to back him financially...no ifs, no buts..and hopefully Buhler will come too, and Schindler as a coach,and hefele as a coach...yah !

Can we have Lynn W back doing social media stuff as well ?

[Teddington Ted]

Sept 15, 2022 19:50:59 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Sept 15, 2022 19:46:41 GMT 1 Dan said:

Would everyone be as keen on Wagner if it was just a one year shop window type deal? I'm not sure I would.

If Dean was able to persuade him that after a few dodgy short-term stints at Schalke and YB he needs some stability for a few years at a club he's loved at, and gets him to sign a 3/4 year contract then I'm all in. Not sure about him using us as a shop window, avoiding relegation and us being in the same position as we are now, in the summer.

I think the squad is good enough to comfortably survive in this league, and there's enough managers out there that could achieve that without going for a short-term firefighter option.

Agree with what you say Dan. On the other hand it gives whoever, Bromby or another to start a process now in prep for next season.
But then what if DW was to work miracles again?

We had 3 years to plan his successor last time and came up with Jan Siewart.

Wagner had been working on the German reserves league for some time when he came to us, he knew some good players who would be available pretty cheap. I doubt he has that knowledge now.

He was novel, a breath of fresh air and working in a pressure free environment. None of that will be true again, even if it’s just the weight of history upon him.

He was the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime but I’m not sure he’s the future. I’m also not sure that Hoyle would back him the same nor the setup give him the freedom he would want.

It would be a great story for him to return but I fear too many folk would see him as a saviour in a situation that a new manager alone cannot rectify.

[townarentbest]

Sept 15, 2022 18:49:19 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Sept 15, 2022 18:43:39 GMT 1 Dan said:

“We want a top-quality coach and a leader who will get the best from our talented squad; someone who is not only capable of making the team better as a collective and developing individuals, but who is also aligned with our Club philosophy to be brave, progressive, and not set any limitations on what is possible or can be achieved."

Defo Wagner, been training since a kid for this moment.

Plus Wagner has bin here before.