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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 16, 2022 16:26:07 GMT 1
If Wagner is appointed... there will be people on DATM gunning for him from the off.
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 16, 2022 16:26:14 GMT 1
It's only the same as corporate companies interviewing 15 people for one finance position for example - You screen CV's for your favourites but still interview more as a safety net. Football is no different. Im in this afternoon for interview. I can shout loudly and look scary, I have my own tracksuit and can just about get by ordering dinner and drinks in German. Im hopeful😉 But have you got a beard? They've been mandatory since 2015 for Town managers. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 16, 2022 16:28:19 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. I don't agree with your general sentiment. I just think that a second stint rarely ends well. Unless DW is genuinely keen to return, he'd be better off seeking somewhere else & not tarnishing his reputation here. (which isn't exactly 100% anyway, judging from posts like yours here - I get you're not being overtly critical BTW) You only have to look at the DH thing to see how these things generally pan out. Different scenario of course, but DH was always going to be pilloried at some point. I can't think of any Chairman that's never ended their tenure on a negative note with the more vocal fans. I think Managers are in the same boat... I'd be OK with him returning, but it'll be totally different because people will immediately expect something from him. He first came to us with very little pressure and as an unknown quantity. |
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Post by cuz on Sept 16, 2022 16:29:08 GMT 1
They pay his wage until he gets another job in football or they agree to a severance package. Right, so yesterday a Netjets private charter plane flew into Leeds from an obscure place in Germany, Kassel. Then today a Netjets private charter plane flew out to Bern. Probably nothing and there's many a reason why those planes could be making those flights. To join the end of the queue to pay respects to the queen?? |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 16, 2022 16:29:44 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. So getting us to the top division for the 1st time in 40 odd years.. And keeping us up against all odds.. Was OK.. 🤷🤷 Art dwelling on the negative side.. Shock.. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 16, 2022 16:31:56 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2022 16:39:40 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It was horrific for about 6 weeks, during which our star man was out injured ffs  Prior to that we were sat 14th in the top flight. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 16, 2022 16:42:43 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. I don't agree with your general sentiment. I just think that a second stint rarely ends well. Unless DW is genuinely keen to return, he'd be better off seeking somewhere else & not tarnishing his reputation here. (which isn't exactly 100% anyway, judging from posts like yours here - I get you're not being overtly critical BTW) You only have to look at the DH thing to see how these things generally pan out. Different scenario of course, but DH was always going to be pilloried at some point. I can't think of any Chairman that's never ended their tenure on a negative note with the more vocal fans. I think Managers are in the same boat... I'd be OK with him returning, but it'll be totally different because people will immediately expect something from him. He first came to us with very little pressure and as an unknown quantity. There would definitely be an immediate expectation. To me Wagners reputation here.. his legacy if you like, isn't in danger. Because what is it really?? Its those achievements and the memories we all had with them. Whatever would happen second time round, none of that changes, its still there, it still happened. This has a feel of when Peter Jackson came back for a 2nd stint. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 16, 2022 16:43:43 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. Don’t think anyone else would’ve got more of a tune out of those players, we were very unlucky in the first part of that second season, performing well and getting nothing, which wore everyone down to breaking point. |
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Post by boothyisourking on Sept 16, 2022 16:44:22 GMT 1
They pay his wage until he gets another job in football or they agree to a severance package. Right, so yesterday a Netjets private charter plane flew into Leeds from an obscure place in Germany, Kassel. Then today a Netjets private charter plane flew out to Bern. Probably nothing and there's many a reason why those planes could be making those flights. Is this true? How do you even check this stuff? |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 16, 2022 16:48:06 GMT 1
Right, so yesterday a Netjets private charter plane flew into Leeds from an obscure place in Germany, Kassel. Then today a Netjets private charter plane flew out to Bern. Probably nothing and there's many a reason why those planes could be making those flights. Is this true? How do you even check this stuff? Flightradar24? If so I wouldn't have the patience. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Sept 16, 2022 16:49:26 GMT 1
I don't agree with your general sentiment. I just think that a second stint rarely ends well. Unless DW is genuinely keen to return, he'd be better off seeking somewhere else & not tarnishing his reputation here. (which isn't exactly 100% anyway, judging from posts like yours here - I get you're not being overtly critical BTW) You only have to look at the DH thing to see how these things generally pan out. Different scenario of course, but DH was always going to be pilloried at some point. I can't think of any Chairman that's never ended their tenure on a negative note with the more vocal fans. I think Managers are in the same boat... I'd be OK with him returning, but it'll be totally different because people will immediately expect something from him. He first came to us with very little pressure and as an unknown quantity. There would definitely be an immediate expectation. To me Wagners reputation here.. his legacy if you like, isn't in danger. Because what is it really?? Its those achievements and the memories we all had with them. Whatever would happen second time round, none of that changes, its still there, it still happened. This has a feel of when Peter Jackson came back for a 2nd stint. He’s the only guy to get this club to the top flight in 50 years. Nothing will change that. The main expectation is that we survive in this league, that’s not a particularly high bar to be measured against with this squad. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2022 16:53:23 GMT 1
Is this true? How do you even check this stuff? Flightradar24? If so I wouldn't have the patience.  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 16, 2022 16:55:14 GMT 1
I don't agree with your general sentiment. I just think that a second stint rarely ends well. Unless DW is genuinely keen to return, he'd be better off seeking somewhere else & not tarnishing his reputation here. (which isn't exactly 100% anyway, judging from posts like yours here - I get you're not being overtly critical BTW) You only have to look at the DH thing to see how these things generally pan out. Different scenario of course, but DH was always going to be pilloried at some point. I can't think of any Chairman that's never ended their tenure on a negative note with the more vocal fans. I think Managers are in the same boat... I'd be OK with him returning, but it'll be totally different because people will immediately expect something from him. He first came to us with very little pressure and as an unknown quantity. There would definitely be an immediate expectation. To me Wagners reputation here.. his legacy if you like, isn't in danger. Because what is it really?? Its those achievements and the memories we all had with them. Whatever would happen second time round, none of that changes, its still there, it still happened. This has a feel of when Peter Jackson came back for a 2nd stint. Dunno Slapps, times are different now, social media wasn’t about, nor was instant gratification etc. We’ll soon see anyway. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 16, 2022 16:59:02 GMT 1
Flightradar24? If so I wouldn't have the patience. (:)) We've moved up in the world of football supporter espionage. No more hanging round in the garage opposite Da Sandro's disguised as Clouseau... |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2022 17:03:59 GMT 1
We've moved up in the world of football supporter espionage. No more hanging round in the garage opposite Da Sandro's disguised as Clouseau... Gotta make some fun out of it cos the actual games usually crap |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 16, 2022 17:16:12 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It was horrific for about 6 weeks, during which our star man was out injured ffs Prior to that we were sat 14th in the top flight. I'm talking about the 2nd PL season, he was in charge up until January, that was utter dire stuff really. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 16, 2022 17:24:31 GMT 1
It was horrific for about 6 weeks, during which our star man was out injured ffs Prior to that we were sat 14th in the top flight. I'm talking about the 2nd PL season, he was in charge up until January, that was utter dire stuff really. I don’t agree, we had some horrendous luck and decisions |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2022 17:25:03 GMT 1
It was horrific for about 6 weeks, during which our star man was out injured ffs Prior to that we were sat 14th in the top flight. I'm talking about the 2nd PL season, he was in charge up until January, that was utter dire stuff really. Yes, and after GW 13 (Wolves, 25th November) we were 14th. Less than 7 weeks later he was gone. So it was wank for 7 weeks, and we had no fit midfield for half of that. Unless you expected a club with the lowest wage bill to be doing better than 14th, but tbf you probably do. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2022 17:26:19 GMT 1
I'm talking about the 2nd PL season, he was in charge up until January, that was utter dire stuff really. I don’t agree, we had some horrendous luck and decisions The Brighton game. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 16, 2022 17:27:30 GMT 1
Wagner would bring such a buzz. A very simple example is i don’t currently intend going to the Reading game. If Dave’s in charge i wouldn’t miss it for owt.
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Post by Sio on Sept 16, 2022 17:30:15 GMT 1
It suits their agenda, make out like the clubs no fan base and we are lucky to be where we are heading back to league one. No it doesnt at all. It makes out the regular champions of Greece and annual champions league qualifiers are a bigger draw to a manager than Huddersfield in the 2nd tier. Anything else obvious you want me to point out that you can misunderstand? I think the point is that you're somewhat exaggerating our deficiencies to suit the argument. Most would agree Olympiacos are a bigger (or at least more well-known) club, but you're belittling us in the same breath further than we deserve to be belittled. It's just a frustrating mindset that a good number of Town fans adopt; Hoyle and Wagner included. We aren't a small club. We aren't a natural League One club. We aren't the smallest team to ever be in the Premier League etc. Yet all this nonsense has been churned out in one way or another since we got promoted. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 16, 2022 17:31:31 GMT 1
I don’t agree, we had some horrendous luck and decisions The Brighton game. Massive turning point for me, it just felt like we were not welcome. When the penalty was overturned at Cardiff i think you could see Wagner was a broken man, we’d been shafted just one too many times. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 16, 2022 17:40:26 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. And folk are looking at that torrid time where injuries kicked in, we had some truly shite reffing decisions and we made a habit out of hitting the woodwork about a dozen times a game! How about comparing like for like. In the Championship, he properly got us going. He takes over again in the Championship. If it happens, it’s the correct call. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 16, 2022 17:57:45 GMT 1
No it doesnt at all. It makes out the regular champions of Greece and annual champions league qualifiers are a bigger draw to a manager than Huddersfield in the 2nd tier. Anything else obvious you want me to point out that you can misunderstand? We aren't a small club. We aren't a natural League One club. We aren't the smallest team to ever be in the Premier League etc. Yet all this nonsense has been churned out in one way or another since we got promoted. Agree with this bit entirely, it pisses me off, we're a club with an history many clubs would envy (even in the prem), i actually think where we are now is our place in the natural order of things, it certainly isnt in the bottom two divisions.One of the most cringeworthy bits of commentary i've ever heard was when Schindler scored the pen to take us up to the prem with the commentator warbling about 'little Huddersfield town', i say to the uneducated idiot you'll find we've won more league titles than Tottenham. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2022 18:05:57 GMT 1
Im in this afternoon for interview. I can shout loudly and look scary, I have my own tracksuit and can just about get by ordering dinner and drinks in German. Im hopeful😉 But have you got a beard? They've been mandatory since 2015 for Town managers. Can grow a beard overnight unfortunately, given her indoors opinion on facial hair😔 I could shave for England... |
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Post by ACW on Sept 16, 2022 18:09:18 GMT 1
If Wagner is appointed... there will be people on DATM gunning for him from the off. Where is Mel these days? 😉 |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 16, 2022 18:11:26 GMT 1
It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. And folk are looking at that torrid time where injuries kicked in, we had some truly shite reffing decisions and we made a habit out of hitting the woodwork about a dozen times a game! How about comparing like for like. In the Championship, he properly got us going. He takes over again in the Championship. If it happens, it’s the correct call. You could add Mooy’s injury at a crucial time to your list. Totally agree with your post. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 16, 2022 18:12:40 GMT 1
It fell apart so quickly as we were playing above ourselves until we simply couldn’t do so anymore.
I was at Bournemouth away when we were incredible but, without Mounié, lost 2-1.
Just a few weeks later we had imploded at Fulham when I witnessed an insipid performance, with Flo in midfield, and a team bereft of confidence and ideas.
If we had the funds to invest that January the situation could have been saved. Sadly, the arrival of Puncheon didn’t add any creativity. Dean’s illness news broke, the Cardiff debacle tipped Wagner over the edge and Jan arrived in the dugout.
We were doing fine, until, we simply weren’t.
Very hard to blame Wagner for it all.
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Post by ACW on Sept 16, 2022 18:16:05 GMT 1
I'm talking about the 2nd PL season, he was in charge up until January, that was utter dire stuff really. Yes, and after GW 13 (Wolves, 25th November) we were 14th. Less than 7 weeks later he was gone. So it was wank for 7 weeks, and we had no fit midfield for half of that. Unless you expected a club with the lowest wage bill to be doing better than 14th, but tbf you probably do. I was at that Wolves game. One of the best team performances I've ever seen from a Town team. We looked every inch a Premier League team and totally outplayed a good Wolves side on their own pitch. Afterwards, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. |
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