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Post by ACW on Sept 16, 2022 18:17:56 GMT 1
And folk are looking at that torrid time where injuries kicked in, we had some truly shite reffing decisions and we made a habit out of hitting the woodwork about a dozen times a game! How about comparing like for like. In the Championship, he properly got us going. He takes over again in the Championship. If it happens, it’s the correct call. You could add Mooy’s injury at a crucial time to your list. Totally agree with your post. Mooy's injury was indeed crucial. Our first eleven was probably good enough to keep us up. Sadly, our squad wasn't, particularly if key players like Mooy were absent. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 16, 2022 18:24:01 GMT 1
You could add Mooy’s injury at a crucial time to your list. Totally agree with your post. Mooy's injury was indeed crucial. Our first eleven was probably good enough to keep us up. Sadly, our squad wasn't, particularly if key players like Mooy were absent. As daft as it might sound. I think 3 key incidents sent us down. The Cardiff Ref decision Mooy’s injury and Mounie’s sending off at home. |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 16, 2022 18:39:49 GMT 1
Mooy's injury was indeed crucial. Our first eleven was probably good enough to keep us up. Sadly, our squad wasn't, particularly if key players like Mooy were absent. As daft as it might sound. I think 3 key incidents sent us down. The Cardiff Ref decision Mooy’s injury and Mounie’s sending off at home. Pritchard goal V Liverpool ruled out for offside when he was about 5 yards on to get us a 1-1 draw too |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 16, 2022 18:42:23 GMT 1
As daft as it might sound. I think 3 key incidents sent us down. The Cardiff Ref decision Mooy’s injury and Mounie’s sending off at home. Pritchard goal V Liverpool ruled out for offside when he was about 5 yards on to get us a 1-1 draw too Wasn’t that the game he was literally rugby tackled and that twat Murphy said there wasn’t enough contact??? |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 16, 2022 18:48:00 GMT 1
As daft as it might sound. I think 3 key incidents sent us down. The Cardiff Ref decision Mooy’s injury and Mounie’s sending off at home. Pritchard goal V Liverpool ruled out for offside when he was about 5 yards on to get us a 1-1 draw too And that ridiculous non-penalty when Milner juggled the ball. |
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Post by ldotm on Sept 16, 2022 18:50:57 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. Even by your standards that statement is wild. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 16, 2022 18:57:58 GMT 1
Pritchard goal V Liverpool ruled out for offside when he was about 5 yards on to get us a 1-1 draw too Wasn’t that the game he was literally rugby tackled and that twat Murphy said there wasn’t enough contact??? Think that was against Brighton where mounie was red carded for a life threatening challenge. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 16, 2022 19:06:27 GMT 1
Seemed like every week the refs & linos were drumming up a new way to screw us.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 16, 2022 19:06:58 GMT 1
Pritchard goal V Liverpool ruled out for offside when he was about 5 yards on to get us a 1-1 draw too Wasn’t that the game he was literally rugby tackled and that twat Murphy said there wasn’t enough contact??? Think so. Also the Jamal Lascelles 2 foot round Depoitres waist in the Newcastle home game. We literally had everything against us. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 16, 2022 19:08:24 GMT 1
Yes, and after GW 13 (Wolves, 25th November) we were 14th. Less than 7 weeks later he was gone. So it was wank for 7 weeks, and we had no fit midfield for half of that. Unless you expected a club with the lowest wage bill to be doing better than 14th, but tbf you probably do. I was at that Wolves game. One of the best team performances I've ever seen from a Town team. We looked every inch a Premier League team and totally outplayed a good Wolves side on their own pitch. Afterwards, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. We were brilliant that game. Hogg, Mooy and Billing were awesome. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 16, 2022 19:09:55 GMT 1
Wasn’t that the game he was literally rugby tackled and that twat Murphy said there wasn’t enough contact??? Think so. Also the Jamal Lascelles 2 foot round Depoitres waist in the Newcastle home game. We literally had everything against us. And changing your mind about a penalty that you’d given. Four hours drive home with steam coming out of my ears. Ffs |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 16, 2022 19:10:42 GMT 1
Seemed like every week the refs & linos were drumming up a new way to screw us. didn't it all stem from our refusal to pay some bigwig in football a nice fairwell payout? |
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Post by griffa on Sept 16, 2022 19:14:39 GMT 1
Wasn’t that the game he was literally rugby tackled and that twat Murphy said there wasn’t enough contact??? Think that was against Brighton where mounie was red carded for a life threatening challenge. Mounie sent off by Michael Oliver (best referee in England - hahahaha) - UTT. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 16, 2022 19:15:22 GMT 1
Seemed like every week the refs & linos were drumming up a new way to screw us. didn't it all stem from our refusal to pay some bigwig in football a nice fairwell payout? Thought it all stemmed from shite referees myself. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 16, 2022 19:16:13 GMT 1
its a no for me ,i appreciate all he did before and worked wonders with the squad ,but at times when things wasnt going well he didnt really seem tohave a viable plan b in my eyes and not convinced he could fully get a tune out the present squad at moment and if it wasnt going well he may be lacking again in a plan b,i know it may not be a popular veiw but its just my opinionof how i see things I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. I think that's really really harsh ART especially the nothing from the players bit. I thought even during the losing run we were unlucky on quite a few occasions (especially in the early games). ......anyway if you really wanted to see bad & getting nothing out of the players look how it turned to complete & utter absolute sh*8te when Siewert took over (F*** me we were like Brazil in 1970 in the late DW days to the JS period). |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2022 19:16:25 GMT 1
Cmon Maynard give us a clue/update ?
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 16, 2022 19:16:33 GMT 1
Four hours drive home with steam coming out of my ears. Ffs Hope you wound the windows down. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 16, 2022 19:25:45 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. I think that's really really harsh ART especially the nothing from the players bit. I thought even during the losing run we were unlucky on quite a few occasions (especially in the early games). ......anyway if you really wanted to see bad & getting nothing out of the players look how it turned to complete & utter absolute sh*8te when Siewert took over (F*** me we were like Brazil in 1970 in the late DW days to the JS period). I agree on Seiwert, we might as well have appointed that bloke from Wakefield, he probably would have done a better job. I do think a lot of Town fans are blinded by this mystic aura that Wagner seems to hold over them. He's never really replicated much after his departure from Town, best left alone for me. You make your own luck in football, whilst we probably were on the wrong end of some dubious decisions, the fact that we had only won 2 games up until he left tells its own story. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 16, 2022 19:29:08 GMT 1
I agree, it's a no from me too. It was OK when it was going well but fuck me when it was bad, it was bad and he couldn't get anything from the players. It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. Trouble is, the more experienced he's got, the worse his managerial record has got. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 16, 2022 19:30:07 GMT 1
We aren't a small club. We aren't a natural League One club. We aren't the smallest team to ever be in the Premier League etc. Yet all this nonsense has been churned out in one way or another since we got promoted. Agree with this bit entirely, it pisses me off, we're a club with an history many clubs would envy (even in the prem), i actually think where we are now is our place in the natural order of things, it certainly isnt in the bottom two divisions.One of the most cringeworthy bits of commentary i've ever heard was when Schindler scored the pen to take us up to the prem with the commentator warbling about 'little Huddersfield town', i say to the uneducated idiot you'll find we've won more league titles than Tottenham. Because we encourage it. You wouldn't hear the same about Burnley, Swansea, Watford, or even bloody Bournemouth - all clubs the same size, if not smaller than us. The more I've recognised it, the more it's chipped at my passion for the club. Whenever we get in a position to compete and establish ourselves, we do everything possible to convince everyone that we don't deserve it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 16, 2022 19:32:22 GMT 1
No it doesnt at all. It makes out the regular champions of Greece and annual champions league qualifiers are a bigger draw to a manager than Huddersfield in the 2nd tier. Anything else obvious you want me to point out that you can misunderstand? I think the point is that you're somewhat exaggerating our deficiencies to suit the argument. Most would agree Olympiacos are a bigger (or at least more well-known) club, but you're belittling us in the same breath further than we deserve to be belittled. It's just a frustrating mindset that a good number of Town fans adopt; Hoyle and Wagner included. We aren't a small club. We aren't a natural League One club. We aren't the smallest team to ever be in the Premier League etc. Yet all this nonsense has been churned out in one way or another since we got promoted. Oh yeah all that used to do my nut in. Wagner was terrible for it, even before we got promoted. Dean Hoyle too though for different reasons I reckon. One to try and keep expectations under control and the other to advertise what a sensational job he was doing as manager. But I wish we'd have just had a 'we're here, and we dont give a shit who you are' approach a bit more, especially in the games against the big clubs. But I dont think Im belittling Town in any way just by being realistic about what we are. It was only yesterday I got criticised for saying I think we are now an established championship club, because that was too positive. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 16, 2022 19:32:48 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 16, 2022 19:37:10 GMT 1
20k? You'll be lucky mate.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 16, 2022 19:43:16 GMT 1
It only really went bad under Wagner in the games against some of the really big prem clubs. In some of those we looked well out of our depth and I think the mentality he sent his team out with wasnt great.. sort of 'we're so lucky to be here and what a honour it is for us to be playing at Anfield' type of thinking. We were well beaten before wed got on the pitch. But it didnt go bad in many games. Hes a much more experienced manager now so you'd hope he'll have learned from things like that. Trouble is, the more experienced he's got, the worse his managerial record has got. He started off brilliantly at Schalke , then it just went pear shaped there second half of the season. A downward spiral he just couldn't do anything to stop. Started the following season the same including a hammering at Bayern Munich and they fired him. At young Boys they were 2nd when they sacked him, but a bit behind the leaders, so clearly for them that is just unacceptable when they'd won the league the previous 3 seasons. I dont think 12th in Germany and 2nd in Switzerland is a disastrous managerial record.. just not good enough for those clubs expectations. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 16, 2022 19:54:17 GMT 1
Mooy's injury was indeed crucial. Our first eleven was probably good enough to keep us up. Sadly, our squad wasn't, particularly if key players like Mooy were absent. As daft as it might sound. I think 3 key incidents sent us down. The Cardiff Ref decision Mooy’s injury and Mounie’s sending off at home. Cardiff penalty was the final straw but I think we were already pretty much doomed by then? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 16, 2022 19:55:05 GMT 1
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 16, 2022 19:55:10 GMT 1
Got a decent record against Man U though...
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Post by 28901 on Sept 16, 2022 19:55:41 GMT 1
20k? You'll be lucky mate. They'll tell you there were. Nearer half that. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 16, 2022 19:57:58 GMT 1
I think the point is that you're somewhat exaggerating our deficiencies to suit the argument. Most would agree Olympiacos are a bigger (or at least more well-known) club, but you're belittling us in the same breath further than we deserve to be belittled. It's just a frustrating mindset that a good number of Town fans adopt; Hoyle and Wagner included. We aren't a small club. We aren't a natural League One club. We aren't the smallest team to ever be in the Premier League etc. Yet all this nonsense has been churned out in one way or another since we got promoted. Oh yeah all that used to do my nut in. Wagner was terrible for it, even before we got promoted. Dean Hoyle too though for different reasons I reckon. One to try and keep expectations under control and the other to advertise what a sensational job he was doing as manager. But I wish we'd have just had a 'we're here, and we dont give a shit who you are' approach a bit more, especially in the games against the big clubs. But I dont think Im belittling Town in any way just by being realistic about what we are. It was only yesterday I got criticised for saying I think we are now an established championship club, because that was too positive. Those games against theiverpool etc in the second season were horrendous. Setting up to only lose 0 4. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 16, 2022 20:16:01 GMT 1
Trouble is, the more experienced he's got, the worse his managerial record has got. He started off brilliantly at Schalke , then it just went pear shaped there second half of the season. A downward spiral he just couldn't do anything to stop. Started the following season the same including a hammering at Bayern Munich and they fired him. At young Boys they were 2nd when they sacked him, but a bit behind the leaders, so clearly for them that is just unacceptable when they'd won the league the previous 3 seasons. I dont think 12th in Germany and 2nd in Switzerland is a disastrous managerial record.. just not good enough for those clubs expectations. A record run without a win and then taking the team that had won the league 4 times in a row to finish FIFTEEN points behind the winners isn't a great record to have though |
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