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Post by sabailand on Sept 16, 2022 20:31:13 GMT 1
20k? You'll be lucky mate. They'll tell you there were. Nearer half that. When im on my way out after the match i always have a smile when the 'attendance' is read out, although some will have an idea its good to think other teams fans think we get such good crowds.  |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 16, 2022 20:34:03 GMT 1
I was at that Wolves game. One of the best team performances I've ever seen from a Town team. We looked every inch a Premier League team and totally outplayed a good Wolves side on their own pitch. Afterwards, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. We were brilliant that game. Hogg, Mooy and Billing were awesome. Even the lesser spotted Erik Durm had a good game that day. |
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Post by Big Jim on Sept 16, 2022 20:34:43 GMT 1
Tuesday night was 17,900 apparently.
I thought they had added an extra 0 on.
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Post by tvor on Sept 16, 2022 23:38:58 GMT 1
We were brilliant that game. Hogg, Mooy and Billing were awesome. Even the lesser spotted Erik Durm had a good game that day. Molineux is well known for its choice of bogs and bread selection. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 16, 2022 23:47:30 GMT 1
He started off brilliantly at Schalke , then it just went pear shaped there second half of the season. A downward spiral he just couldn't do anything to stop. Started the following season the same including a hammering at Bayern Munich and they fired him. At young Boys they were 2nd when they sacked him, but a bit behind the leaders, so clearly for them that is just unacceptable when they'd won the league the previous 3 seasons. I dont think 12th in Germany and 2nd in Switzerland is a disastrous managerial record.. just not good enough for those clubs expectations. A record run without a win and then taking the team that had won the league 4 times in a row to finish FIFTEEN points behind the winners isn't a great record to have though No its not great, But I dont think its a calamitous one either. Schalke finished higher under Wagner than they had the previous season even with that terrible run. At Young boys, its one of those things that if youre not winning it, or damned close to winning it, then thats unacceptable and you get fired. They'd won it the previous 3 season so not challenging to win it by some way just wasnt good enough. Think those clubs had very demanding expectation that dont really apply to us. In the short term, all he'd have to do is steer us away from the bottom 3 but even after that any sort of challenge at the top end is seen as a great achievement. Maybe some managers just operate better when that pressure of having to achieve the end of season prizes isn't on their shoulders? Wagner might be one.r |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 17, 2022 2:14:42 GMT 1
They'll tell you there were. Nearer half that. When im on my way out after the match i always have a smile when the 'attendance' is read out, although some will have an idea its good to think other teams fans think we get such good crowds. Remember when we used to laugh at Bradford? |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2022 5:34:01 GMT 1
When im on my way out after the match i always have a smile when the 'attendance' is read out, although some will have an idea its good to think other teams fans think we get such good crowds. Remember when we used to laugh at Bradford? Used to ? I still do |
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Post by midge on Sept 17, 2022 7:01:27 GMT 1
When im on my way out after the match i always have a smile when the 'attendance' is read out, although some will have an idea its good to think other teams fans think we get such good crowds. Remember when we used to laugh at Bradford? Think we laughed at Bradford cos they continually banged on about their crowds as it became they only thing had going on us!? |
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Post by specialun on Sept 17, 2022 7:44:53 GMT 1
He started off brilliantly at Schalke , then it just went pear shaped there second half of the season. A downward spiral he just couldn't do anything to stop. Started the following season the same including a hammering at Bayern Munich and they fired him. At young Boys they were 2nd when they sacked him, but a bit behind the leaders, so clearly for them that is just unacceptable when they'd won the league the previous 3 seasons. I dont think 12th in Germany and 2nd in Switzerland is a disastrous managerial record.. just not good enough for those clubs expectations. A record run without a win and then taking the team that had won the league 4 times in a row to finish FIFTEEN points behind the winners isn't a great record to have though Schalke - He overachieved year 1, that was his problem - overall won 12, lost 16 isn’t bad at all. The club was a shambles in financial difficulty. Lost key players inc Nubel to Bayern, McKennie to Juve and replaced cheap or not at all, his main striker year 2 was Mark Uth (who we were linked with when we ended up with Quanner). The coach replaced him was sacked after 11 games. The one after that sacked after 11 games. He left in September. They won 3 games in the entire season. Young Boys - They were disappointing in the league - but he achieved qualification for the champions league for only the second time in their history & their best results in the competition. |
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Post by specialun on Sept 17, 2022 7:54:23 GMT 1
Yes, and after GW 13 (Wolves, 25th November) we were 14th. Less than 7 weeks later he was gone. So it was wank for 7 weeks, and we had no fit midfield for half of that. Unless you expected a club with the lowest wage bill to be doing better than 14th, but tbf you probably do. I was at that Wolves game. One of the best team performances I've ever seen from a Town team. We looked every inch a Premier League team and totally outplayed a good Wolves side on their own pitch. Afterwards, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Agree. We looked to be heading towards mid table, when beating Brighton 1-0, 7 points from 9 and looking up to mid table I don’t recall anyone saying Wagner was absent then 🤷🏼♂️ Michael Oliver had other ideas and as you say everything after that went wrong that could do Someone said (May have been you) we had the first XI to stay up we didn’t have the squad - that’s spot on. It goes back to recruitment, year 1 recruitment was half retaining the side from the championship & adding a few. Year 2 as we all know we missed out on targets, didn’t want to pay a few more £m and ended up with cheap gambles which all failed - expensive signings for us, but £5-12m is cheap in context of premier league. Off the field we didn’t have stability of a DOF - and it showed |
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Post by willo on Sept 17, 2022 8:19:59 GMT 1
Remember when we used to laugh at Bradford? Used to ? I still do We all do pal, we all do. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 17, 2022 8:21:28 GMT 1
I'll always remember that ridiculous Mounie sending off as the turning point that season
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Post by El Mel on Sept 17, 2022 8:32:41 GMT 1
Is Lee Clark in the running?
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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2022 8:42:19 GMT 1
Tuesday night was 17,900 apparently. I thought they had added an extra 0 on. A gentle reminder....nobody reports 'attendance' anymore...'tickets sold' is the criteria aka 'gate' and not 'attendance'....
I recall someone telling me the reported 'gate' at Old Trafford was 72,000 when the police actually estimated less than 60,000 were there... It happens everywhere, every club...has been like this for years...
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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2022 8:51:21 GMT 1
I was at that Wolves game. One of the best team performances I've ever seen from a Town team. We looked every inch a Premier League team and totally outplayed a good Wolves side on their own pitch. Afterwards, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Agree. We looked to be heading towards mid table, when beating Brighton 1-0, 7 points from 9 and looking up to mid table I don’t recall anyone saying Wagner was absent then 🤷🏼♂️ Michael Oliver had other ideas and as you say everything after that went wrong that could do Someone said (May have been you) we had the first XI to stay up we didn’t have the squad - that’s spot on. It goes back to recruitment, year 1 recruitment was half retaining the side from the championship & adding a few. Year 2 as we all know we missed out on targets, didn’t want to pay a few more £m and ended up with cheap gambles which all failed - expensive signings for us, but £5-12m is cheap in context of premier league. Off the field we didn’t have stability of a DOF - and it showed Seems bizarre now that after that great win at Wolves that 9 games later we'd only picked up one more point and Wagner had quit...I was at Cardiff that day when the lino overturned the refs decision to give us a penalty..Wagner went mental..then walked...Lee Mason was the ref.. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 17, 2022 8:58:39 GMT 1
Agree. We looked to be heading towards mid table, when beating Brighton 1-0, 7 points from 9 and looking up to mid table I don’t recall anyone saying Wagner was absent then 🤷🏼♂️ Michael Oliver had other ideas and as you say everything after that went wrong that could do Someone said (May have been you) we had the first XI to stay up we didn’t have the squad - that’s spot on. It goes back to recruitment, year 1 recruitment was half retaining the side from the championship & adding a few. Year 2 as we all know we missed out on targets, didn’t want to pay a few more £m and ended up with cheap gambles which all failed - expensive signings for us, but £5-12m is cheap in context of premier league. Off the field we didn’t have stability of a DOF - and it showed Seems bizarre now that after that great win at Wolves that 9 games later we'd only picked up one more point and Wagner had quit...I was at Cardiff that day when the lino overturned the refs decision to give us a penalty..Wagner went mental..then walked...Lee Mason was the ref.. What a bizarre decision that was! Along with Oliver sending Mounie off and also not giving a pen when James Milner caught the ball in the box. I thought those decisions were as shite as reffing got until Wembley in May… |
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Post by leroy212 on Sept 17, 2022 9:01:25 GMT 1
Agree. We looked to be heading towards mid table, when beating Brighton 1-0, 7 points from 9 and looking up to mid table I don’t recall anyone saying Wagner was absent then 🤷🏼♂️ Michael Oliver had other ideas and as you say everything after that went wrong that could do Someone said (May have been you) we had the first XI to stay up we didn’t have the squad - that’s spot on. It goes back to recruitment, year 1 recruitment was half retaining the side from the championship & adding a few. Year 2 as we all know we missed out on targets, didn’t want to pay a few more £m and ended up with cheap gambles which all failed - expensive signings for us, but £5-12m is cheap in context of premier league. Off the field we didn’t have stability of a DOF - and it showed Seems bizarre now that after that great win at Wolves that 9 games later we'd only picked up one more point and Wagner had quit...I was at Cardiff that day when the lino overturned the refs decision to give us a penalty..Wagner went mental..then walked...Lee Mason was the ref.. Also at that game and remember Wagner been so angry at the penalty decision. Also remember a bloke 2 rows in front of me going crazy swearing like anything and kicking his seat |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 17, 2022 9:51:36 GMT 1
We were brilliant that game. Hogg, Mooy and Billing were awesome. Even the lesser spotted Erik Durm had a good game that day. Demeaco Duhaney made his debut that day and although he didn't pull up any trees, he didn't look hugely out of place either and there was genuine reason for optimism that he'd go on to be a decent footballer. What an odd day. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 17, 2022 10:01:31 GMT 1
When you look back at the second season, it makes you think how VAR would have judged things. I don’t think Oliver would have overturned the red, but maybe the pen v Cardiff would have stood. Not sure VAR would have given us the pen v Liverpool either.
It’s why promotion to the PL came with mixed feelings for me. Our face didn’t/doesn’t fit, we’re just not marketable for them. Clubs like ours are the ones the PL likes to see as a one season novelty.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 17, 2022 10:33:15 GMT 1
When you look back at the second season, it makes you think how VAR would have judged things. I don’t think Oliver would have overturned the red, but maybe the pen v Cardiff would have stood. Not sure VAR would have given us the pen v Liverpool either. It’s why promotion to the PL came with mixed feelings for me. Our face didn’t/doesn’t fit, we’re just not marketable for them. Clubs like ours are the ones the PL likes to see as a one season novelty. I would have put Brighton and Brentford in that exact same category but they have shown that it can be done. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 17, 2022 11:04:27 GMT 1
When im on my way out after the match i always have a smile when the 'attendance' is read out, although some will have an idea its good to think other teams fans think we get such good crowds. Remember when we used to laugh at Bradford? They used to get crowds of 18,000 against Accrington in the bottom tier on a tuesday night, Accrington are in an higher league now though, i still do tbh. |
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Post by SN0W on Sept 17, 2022 11:09:32 GMT 1
Anyways, will HE be in the crowd today, or maybe on the bench?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 17, 2022 11:12:16 GMT 1
Anyways, will HE be in the crowd today, or maybe on the bench?  |
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Post by stevvy on Sept 17, 2022 11:14:03 GMT 1
Tuesday night was 17,900 apparently. I thought they had added an extra 0 on. A gentle reminder....nobody reports 'attendance' anymore...'tickets sold' is the criteria aka 'gate' and not 'attendance'.... I recall someone telling me the reported 'gate' at Old Trafford was 72,000 when the police actually estimated less than 60,000 were there... It happens everywhere, every club...has been like this for years...
Yes it used to be a case of some teams gave out the actual attendance and some gave out the tickets sold. Now everyone just gives out the tickets sold. It's only cup games where the announced figure is remotely accurate (eg Preston where they said it was about 4500 or something) |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 17, 2022 11:22:32 GMT 1
Tuesday night was 17,900 apparently. I thought they had added an extra 0 on. A gentle reminder....nobody reports 'attendance' anymore...'tickets sold' is the criteria aka 'gate' and not 'attendance'.... I recall someone telling me the reported 'gate' at Old Trafford was 72,000 when the police actually estimated less than 60,000 were there... It happens everywhere, every club...has been like this for years...
Exactly, but for some reason we seem to have more than our fair share of ‘fans’ who enjoy having a pop at the club at every available opportunity |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 17, 2022 11:26:32 GMT 1
When you look back at the second season, it makes you think how VAR would have judged things. I don’t think Oliver would have overturned the red, but maybe the pen v Cardiff would have stood. Not sure VAR would have given us the pen v Liverpool either. It’s why promotion to the PL came with mixed feelings for me. Our face didn’t/doesn’t fit, we’re just not marketable for them. Clubs like ours are the ones the PL likes to see as a one season novelty. I would have put Brighton and Brentford in that exact same category but they have shown that it can be done. Brighton are in over £450m of debt after 4 years in the premier league. Not quite a plucky underdog. www.wearebrighton.com/newsopinion/a-53-4m-loss-and-what-else-we-learnt-from-brighton-2020-21-accounts/ |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 17, 2022 11:37:06 GMT 1
They'll be coming to ours with 🪣 begging like they did before |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 17, 2022 11:40:51 GMT 1
Show me a club in the Prem not in massive debt. They haven’t been for sometime now. It will be interesting to see how they continue with life without Potter, but they’re a well run club and I expect them to make good decisions. The £450m looks drastic on paper, but they own their own state of the art ground and training facilities, have a long term sponsorship deal with one of the worlds biggest global companies and have many millions in assets on the playing field. Should they wish to sell right now, I expect £450m would not be an irrational value. The difference between us and them, is that a) they have the wealth to speculate firstly and b) they’re willing to gamble. For every club that has been successful on doing so over the last ten years or so, there’s a club that’s failed trying to do the same; Wendies, Derby, Birmingham, Boro, Bolton, Stoke…. Wait till bournemouths chief gets bored. There is the anomaly though; Norwich, Burnley, Wigan….and Huddersfield Town of course. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 17, 2022 11:57:07 GMT 1
When you look back at the second season, it makes you think how VAR would have judged things. I don’t think Oliver would have overturned the red, but maybe the pen v Cardiff would have stood. Not sure VAR would have given us the pen v Liverpool either. It’s why promotion to the PL came with mixed feelings for me. Our face didn’t/doesn’t fit, we’re just not marketable for them. Clubs like ours are the ones the PL likes to see as a one season novelty. I would have put Brighton and Brentford in that exact same category but they have shown that it can be done. Think about the location of those clubs. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 17, 2022 12:29:50 GMT 1
I would have put Brighton and Brentford in that exact same category but they have shown that it can be done. Think about the location of those clubs. Not quite sure what you mean. We get higher attendances than Brentford even now. |
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