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Post by yappledapple on Oct 18, 2022 22:42:40 GMT 1
We are starting to run out of excuses now. That tonight was absolutely dire and to be honest, I was bored.
Some observations:
With two wingbacks, there is a requirement for them to drive forward to create some attacking threat. Ben Jackson doesn’t really give us anything on the left. Sorba creates some attacks but teams have sussed that and let their wingback pen him back by playing further forward (Hernandez did tonight) or, when he does get a run on, automatically put two men on him, thus nullifying his threat.
Ward and Rhodes can’t play as a two up front. They offer nothing together.
Teams have learnt that all they have to do is close us down. We either make a mistake and give the ball back or recirculate the ball backwards.
We’re getting overrun in midfield.
Duane Holmes battled well.
It was so quiet in the stadium that you could hear Nicholls ‘F’ing at everyone; at least there’s some passion there!
The bench held nothing to radically turn the game so only one sub made.
It’s all well and good picking the team from the effort in training, but those players have to do it on game day.
We are so slow and pedestrian; no zip, pace or urgency.
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Post by townrwe on Oct 18, 2022 22:45:22 GMT 1
Thought we played reasonably well for a team 23rd in the league. We were dreadful again after the break.... I have to admit that. I was reasonable satisfied with the first 45 mins..... don't see where we go from here, needs results and needs them quick, or narcis needs to get his managers chinos out. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Oct 18, 2022 22:46:07 GMT 1
typical datm...the happy clappers ( you know who are) disappear after a defeat. We lack quality, regardless of the manager, we lack quality. Why ? Because its all about Dean Hoyle. Please Dean just do whatever you can and fuck off. I’m an indifferent supporter, but I have to say, we’ve played better |
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Post by townrwe on Oct 18, 2022 22:46:22 GMT 1
We look more and more like Jan Siewert's team every time I see us. Said it more than once. Siewerts side weren’t bad to watch. Just had a team full of want aways. And you could at least see what he was trying to implement. I know I’m in the minority but he wasn’t as bad as a lot o people make out. I'm with you there.... sold a fish seemingly like Danny and fozza. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 18, 2022 22:46:52 GMT 1
No sugar coating from me although I'm.in the 'more postive' camp than a doom monger. One of those games I've seen loads of over the last 45 years where it was never ever going to be anything but a horrible performance and defeat from.minute one. The worry and the hope are the same thing for me. The quality of the division. Its looked really poor and with a decent set up, consistent plan and some players stepping up should see us winning more. I can't remember seeing a team so far that have been amazing and most, even those like Rotherham and Preston who are in the top half, are simply awful. Ward and Rhodes together isn't working....they aren't a partnership and ward just seems horribly ineffective whereas on his own last season he looked much more effective. The confidence is what needs building back for some. Rudoni looked sharp and decent in the first few games but now looks scared to try stuff. Lees just looks petrified - OK.hes never been Maldini but the ball seems to terrify him. Now some seem to be turning on Camara, who's a young lad with a handful.of appearances trying to run a game on his own against experienced championship footballers. Lay off him. Hogg back as soon as possible for solidity and leadership One glaring problem was when we went forward, Thomas and Jackson pushed on made a straight line front four. (Easy to spot from my seat and clearly intentional) With Camara and Kasumu sticking deep it left Holmes in a 40ish yard circle as the only Town player with 3 Prestons with him. When our play broke down, which it invariably did, it was easy for them to launch their next attack by playing central and then wide to Potts. I expected Town's management to spot this and prevent this - but they didn't. First half was: Preston have the ball. Preston pass the ball around. After about 2 minutes Preston make an error and lose the ball. Town have the ball. After about 15 seconds Town lose the ball. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. |
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Post by jjamez on Oct 18, 2022 22:48:21 GMT 1
Most entertainment came from someone trying a three point turn on kilner bank which says it all
What does it say when you're 1-0 down at home and use one sub? What belief does it give your subs too?
Does the manager know what he's doing, I'm not sure, our tactics are move it out to the right and hope Thomas gets a decent ball in to the area that Rhodes can get onto, rinse and repeat, ward is looking like a passenger and playing like someone who knows his contract won't be renewed. Rhodes looks to be fitter, quicker and stronger than him, which is worrying when you consider there is absolutely no attacking quality to change it up
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 18, 2022 22:49:45 GMT 1
We are a shadow of the team from last season.
Even the teams from league 1 under Lee Clark would beat this lot.
Yet we are only losing games by the odd goal. A 10% improvement and we would climb the table because the league is very average. Just a shame that the new manager hasn’t really made any difference.
I have no clue how we are expecting to score goals. Other than a set piece we haven’t scored for 5 games now. It clearly isn’t working at all yet we aren’t changing anything.
We wouldn’t have scored if we had played all night. I get that the bench is really weak but what harm would it have done to throw on Diarra and Ondo. It couldn’t have been any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 22:49:47 GMT 1
Two excellent crosses by Jackson first half, both of which were almost tap ins. Ward the first one, headed it wide when scoring looked easier and I think the second was Rhodes. Having said that we were absolutely awful. Two good wingers in Jackson and Thomas but supply to them was really poor and when they got it options in the box were really slim, and that is with 2 strikers!!! If that is what MF calls an attacking aggressive formation I'd not pay to see a defensive one. It was truly awful. Why do we up our game in the last 10 minutes after playing the best part of the other 80 like headless chickens. I reiterate, truly awful. Two good wingers? Come off it. Jackson is trying and can whip a good ball in but he wouldnt be playing in any other championship team. Thomas might as well not be on the pitch if he's not taking decent set pieces Jackson did well every time he got the ball. He only got support from Holmes and that isn't enough. Last 10 minutes Camara pushed forward, which he hadn't before, probably under instruction, and Rudoni pushed up and suddenly, a few minutes before the end, we have an attacking formation. On Sorba, he made some blobs tonight, and the free kick he fired over and wide I would have given to Jackson, but he was always available and, even with no support, always showed for the ball and tried to create something. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 22:52:35 GMT 1
3 at the back isn’t working. Camara and Jackson look tidy players but don’t influence the game. Holmes looks lively but he’s our #10 and we had zero shots on target so isn’t the answer either. Ward and Rhodes are a horrible combination, both look more dangerous without the other. The bench didn’t have anyone on it that I could see changing the game (and seemingly Fotheringham didn’t either) We’re really in the sh!t aren’t we? Just my thoughts. Rudoni possibly, but that was it. Diarra? Very untested and really not fair throwing him into that, although I guess it begs the question why is he on the bench? |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 18, 2022 22:52:53 GMT 1
Only decent game was the 22 in the FA Cup v Man City Beating them 1-0 at home and stopping them getting promoted wasn't bad I remember that one clearly, Carl madrick scored for us, but did it stop them getting promotion, they finished ninth 12 points off the playoffs but still had seven games to play after we beat them, Man city were hit and miss that season, average one week and good the next...as we know to our cost. |
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Post by huddshroom on Oct 18, 2022 22:53:59 GMT 1
Home is only player that seems to care at the moment.
On another note. Nothing to do with the score line but the refs yellows were laughable for town and lack of yellows for Preston. Does Kasuma just get booked cos he’s known for it? They do a similar challenge and nothing. Holmes shoved to the floor and no yellow. 18 got a final warning for a second yellow for a similar foul to cameras yellow. Just no consistency.
Anyway some positives:
• Dizzy penalties was mildly entertaining
• Attendance was so bad there was no traffic
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 18, 2022 22:54:59 GMT 1
Ref was dogshit, as was our performance.
Until we fill that O’ Brien shaped hole in the midfield we’re going to struggle.
Stadium is flat, like the team.
For some reason the club has regressed to the point where these lads are psychologically fecked. We have 3 players on that pitch who I would say are the vocal ones. Nichols, Lees and Thomas. The rest of them just seem like mice, and when most of those players are in midfield it isn’t going to end well.
We’re going to have to plough on through unfortunately, because Pearson isn’t going to be back any time soon, not sure about Hogg?
The manager is not getting the supporters inside either, if this forum is a fair reflection of the wider fanbase.
That’s 9 games where we’ve conceded first and lost them all. That’s the sort of stat we were used to 3-4 seasons ago. We got rid of all those psychological monkeys last season, but 4 and a half months later we’ve gone right back to square one.
I honestly don’t know where we go from here, it looks like this could just spiral if the back office and the heads aren’t sorted quickly.
We still have more than a chance of survival, but I’d say another ten performances like that this season and we’ll obviously be toast.
As for the manager. I’m not a big fan of chopping and changing. Somehow he needs to get that squad bunkered down, off social media and start changing the training regime, or something back office, because very little is working right now.
We need to keep our chins up. We’re not sunk just yet.
UTT!!!
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Post by Uddersfield on Oct 18, 2022 22:55:02 GMT 1
Yep no sugarcoating that. Absolutely woeful again.
Why is he not going into the changing room at half time? To go stare at subs getting warmed up? That’s 2 games in a row where we’ve come out even worse than the 1st half. The discussions and no doubt arguments that are happening in the changing room at the break are without his input. Its a weird stamp he’s trying to put and it’s frankly not working.
You knew from the first 5 minutes that the system wasn’t working but yet only one change occurred after 70 minutes. Very very very odd.
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Post by sabailand on Oct 18, 2022 22:56:36 GMT 1
Toothless is the only word for tonight, bloke said to me at half time if these score we've had it, they scored and we'd had it.
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Post by mrg on Oct 18, 2022 22:57:09 GMT 1
We' re definitely in the shit when folk are calling for Hogg and Pearson to come in and save the season. Good god. 🤣 valid point well made. It is about all weve got to look forward to though. Weve got 3/4 new lads all 21/23 in midfield and combined with the crazy 3 at the back it means everything is out of kilter. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 18, 2022 22:57:47 GMT 1
Sorry but Fotheringham the fraud needs to go. He's clearly lost the dressing room, absolutely no structure to the play, just lump it & hope. Preston look well drilled, we looked clueless all over the park. Can't think of one positive today.
Yet another failed, cheap experiment from Hoyle & Bromby.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 18, 2022 22:59:21 GMT 1
Not a great place to ok Matchday 14 at all - yet another narrow defeat but a defeat non the less... and where do we go from here - I don’t have the answers or know, but I do know that for Huddersfield Town AFC... MIDDLESBROUGH IS HUGE... REALLY HUGE... UTTERLY UTTERLY HUGE... Tbf Westie, it was only narrow because of how bad Preston were. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 18, 2022 23:00:43 GMT 1
When does Hoyle sack him though? When we’re already down? I don’t think he has it in him to swallow his pride for the second time this season, after the Schofield disaster. He'll get 12 games i reckon, has he had 4 lost 3 won 1? Bromby clearly stated he had to get this right. Then brought this guy in. If this doesn't work both are leaving. With a three year contract it might be another Mick Wadsworth scenario. Nice work if you can get it I suppose |
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 18, 2022 23:03:54 GMT 1
typical datm...the happy clappers ( you know who are) disappear after a defeat. We lack quality, regardless of the manager, we lack quality. Why ? Because its all about Dean Hoyle. Please Dean just do whatever you can and fuck off. Get Dean Hoyle up front. He needs to be with the fans ! |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 18, 2022 23:05:02 GMT 1
Please forward your replies to Mr Dean let everyone down Hoyle. Careful, Slapps will have you for that kind of comment. His ENTITLED copy and paste will get a hammering tonight 😁 |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 18, 2022 23:05:12 GMT 1
Whilst the performance wasn't horrifically bad, seen much much worse from Town teams but there's just nothing there at all, absolutely zero in terms of a midfield or any attacking nous. Kasumu runs round like a headless chicken getting booked, Camara gives the ball away, Holmes is the only one to come out with any credit tonight, Thomas, well, what can one say, Rhodes and Ward no service, Rudoni is essentially a league 1 player playing in The Championship although difficult to criticise as he was only a sub, Lees looks a shadow of himself last season.
Where do we go from here?
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Post by morrisraspass on Oct 18, 2022 23:06:07 GMT 1
I liked MF after the first interview, and the training session video. Maybe it was just because he was the polar opposite of DS who mumbled his way through pressers, head down staring at the desk; instead here was a guy with passion and purpose. But I admit i can't yet see what on earth he's trying to do. And his media tone is actually just blunt and massively limited.
Pretty poor stuff tonight, it's not remotely the worst I've seen as others say, but it's so utterly lacking in energy, quality, ambition. It's clueless and aimless. We're in deep trouble for sure.
Sometime once said something along the lines of, if you sack a manager after three months for poor performance, it's the manager's fault; if you sack him after three games it's the chairman's fault. Will we admit we might have made a mistake?
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Post by wigster on Oct 18, 2022 23:06:38 GMT 1
Where is the logic  Unlike ANY manager I've heard of Mr Fotheringham spends half-time watching the subs warm up - he did tonight. He does so, he says, so he "can see the ones with fire in their bellies and fight in their eyes to come on and make a difference". Tonight our team was putting on a performance that most posters think was abysmal, YET he brought ONE substitute on. What on earth does that say about the substitutes' attitude, or Mark's eyesight ? He is so far out of his depth, it's getting embarrassing. |
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Post by griffa on Oct 18, 2022 23:07:13 GMT 1
We are starting to run out of excuses now. That tonight was absolutely dire and to be honest, I was bored. Some observations: With two wingbacks, there is a requirement for them to drive forward to create some attacking threat. Ben Jackson doesn’t really give us anything on the left. Sorba creates some attacks but teams have sussed that and let their wingback pen him back by playing further forward (Hernandez did tonight) or, when he does get a run on, automatically put two men on him, thus nullifying his threat. Ward and Rhodes can’t play as a two up front. They offer nothing together. Teams have learnt that all they have to do is close us down. We either make a mistake and give the ball back or recirculate the ball backwards. We’re getting overrun in midfield. Duane Holmes battled well. It was so quiet in the stadium that you could hear Nicholls ‘F’ing at everyone; at least there’s some passion there! The bench held nothing to radically turn the game so only one sub made. It’s all well and good picking the team from the effort in training, but those players have to do it on game day. We are so slow and pedestrian; no zip, pace or urgency. Agree with most of your post, except to say, Nicholls should have a word with himself, thought he ought have dealt with corner, he was no were to be seen - UTT. |
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Post by yappledapple on Oct 18, 2022 23:10:02 GMT 1
We are starting to run out of excuses now. That tonight was absolutely dire and to be honest, I was bored. Some observations: With two wingbacks, there is a requirement for them to drive forward to create some attacking threat. Ben Jackson doesn’t really give us anything on the left. Sorba creates some attacks but teams have sussed that and let their wingback pen him back by playing further forward (Hernandez did tonight) or, when he does get a run on, automatically put two men on him, thus nullifying his threat. Ward and Rhodes can’t play as a two up front. They offer nothing together. Teams have learnt that all they have to do is close us down. We either make a mistake and give the ball back or recirculate the ball backwards. We’re getting overrun in midfield. Duane Holmes battled well. It was so quiet in the stadium that you could hear Nicholls ‘F’ing at everyone; at least there’s some passion there! The bench held nothing to radically turn the game so only one sub made. It’s all well and good picking the team from the effort in training, but those players have to do it on game day. We are so slow and pedestrian; no zip, pace or urgency. Agree with most of your post, except to say, Nicholls should have a word with himself, thought he ought have dealt with corner, he was no were to be seen - UTT. Agree - the ball was the back end of the six yard box and I felt he could have come for it as well |
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Post by drewden on Oct 18, 2022 23:10:12 GMT 1
I will go 4-0 Middlesborough, cannot be bothered waiting for the Middlesborough thread.
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 18, 2022 23:11:01 GMT 1
And to think we laughed when L**d's appointed Dave Hockaday. Fotheringham is every bit as bad an appointment, what the fuck was Bromby thinking?
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 18, 2022 23:12:05 GMT 1
We are starting to run out of excuses now. That tonight was absolutely dire and to be honest, I was bored. Some observations: With two wingbacks, there is a requirement for them to drive forward to create some attacking threat. Ben Jackson doesn’t really give us anything on the left. Sorba creates some attacks but teams have sussed that and let their wingback pen him back by playing further forward (Hernandez did tonight) or, when he does get a run on, automatically put two men on him, thus nullifying his threat. Ward and Rhodes can’t play as a two up front. They offer nothing together. Teams have learnt that all they have to do is close us down. We either make a mistake and give the ball back or recirculate the ball backwards. We’re getting overrun in midfield. Duane Holmes battled well. It was so quiet in the stadium that you could hear Nicholls ‘F’ing at everyone; at least there’s some passion there! The bench held nothing to radically turn the game so only one sub made. It’s all well and good picking the team from the effort in training, but those players have to do it on game day. We are so slow and pedestrian; no zip, pace or urgency. Agree with most of your post, except to say, Nicholls should have a word with himself, thought he ought have dealt with corner, he was no were to be seen - UTT. Lee has been an excellent signing, no doubt. But time and again this season we’ve conceded when last season it wouldn’t have even been a chance. Small margins in this league. One of the main reasons why we did so well last season. |
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Post by wigster on Oct 18, 2022 23:13:11 GMT 1
I liked MF after the first interview, and the training session video. Maybe it was just because he was the polar opposite of DS who mumbled his way through pressers, head down staring at the desk; instead here was a guy with passion and purpose. But I admit i can't yet see what on earth he's trying to do. And his media tone is actually just blunt and massively limited. Pretty poor stuff tonight, it's not remotely the worst I've seen as others say, but it's so utterly lacking in energy, quality, ambition. It's clueless and aimless. We're in deep trouble for sure. Sometime once said something along the lines of, if you sack a manager after three months for poor performance, it's the manager's fault; if you sack him after three games it's the chairman's fault. Will we admit we might have made a mistake? I liked MF after the first interview (then less and less after every subsequent interview)> On a serious note do you think that he interviewed so brilliantly with Bromby and Hoyle that they were happy to ignore his playing/coaching record and desparate to give him a three year - THREE year - contract ? I seriously suspect that it was his initial interviewing bullshit that got him the job. |
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Post by ACW on Oct 18, 2022 23:19:15 GMT 1
This season is becoming soul-destroying.
Watching a directionless, ineffective side being narrowly beaten by crap teams that aren't much better, but are good enough to beat us. Shite performances, shite games and shite results.
I think I could cope with it better if we were being beaten by decent teams, but most of them are poor themselves. The general standard in the Championship this season is dire.
There are so many things that are wrong with this team, but one that stands out is the partnership of Rhodes and Ward is not working. Has anyone seen them combine? Even once?
We are so one-dimensional it's untrue. Try and work the ball to Sorba and let him cross it high. Nothing else except one or two decent balls from Jackson on the other side. Where is the variation? Where is the creativity?
And our defending never seems to improve. Another soft goal given away. Is the culprit (I think it was Camara who lost his man) to be dropped unceremoniously like Nakayama was?
A worryingly poor performance. A poor performance that follows other similar performances. Games keep passing by and we're not getting better. The wins against Cardiff and Hull were false dawns and, let's be honest, we weren't that good in either if those games either. Worrying times.
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Unlike ANY manager I've heard of Mr Fotheringham spends half-time watching the subs warm up - he did tonight. He does so, he says, so he "can see the ones with fire in their bellies and fight in their eyes to come on and make a difference".