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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 10:10:20 GMT 1
You're going to miss Dean when he steps away aren't you Slapps. You'll suddenly find yourself with a surfeit of free time no longer needing to defend your fave Chairman. I have it on good authority Slapps is already channelling his time into perfecting his version of Zadok the Priest on his Bontempi organ. There is so much in that that Im going to have to google  |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 27, 2022 10:12:36 GMT 1
I have it on good authority Slapps is already channelling his time into perfecting his version of Zadok the Priest on his Bontempi organ. In my ignorance I had to Google Zadok the Priest to find out what it was King's Coronation and also Champion's League music but I think it'll be a while before Town are hearing the latter  |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 27, 2022 10:13:56 GMT 1
There is so much in that that Im going to have to google I should have probably gone Stylophone instead of Bontempi organ, maybe.  |
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Post by ram on Oct 27, 2022 10:15:21 GMT 1
Not very well publicised that Hoyle has left.Single line on Sky Sports saying he had stepped down as CEO,nothing on Look North at lunch-time.I didn,t look on Calendar or at night.If no one knows we are for sale,who will know to put a bid in?
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2022 10:23:12 GMT 1
Not very well publicised that Hoyle has left.Single line on Sky Sports saying he had stepped down as CEO,nothing on Look North at lunch-time.I didn,t look on Calendar or at night.If no one knows we are for sale,who will know to put a bid in? I’m sure the possible buyers will have been made aware over the last few months. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 27, 2022 10:25:08 GMT 1
Realistically, how many Town fans can there be that can afford to run a club losing 10m a year? And then how many out of that minority are daft enough to do it Realistically, probably one,, and he's stopping doing it to the delight/relief of quite a few fans. Maybe there's another one out there very few are aware of, but it seems unlikely. Hardly anyone had heard of Dean before he came in. Hardly anyone had heard of Phil before he came in (and seemingly could afford to run a club losing money, until he couldn't). There will be others. There are quite a few local self-built businesses that have done well and gone on to be sold globally, realising access to fortunes for their founders. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 27, 2022 10:28:30 GMT 1
You're going to miss Dean when he steps away aren't you Slapps. You'll suddenly find yourself with a surfeit of free time no longer needing to defend your fave Chairman. I like having a fan as our owner. Its a shame it went pear shaped for Hodgkinson because I think he'd have been another excellent owner. I like that we're a 'local club for local people' and having a lifelong town fan owning us fits that nicely. Im relieved he's leaving.. partly because I wont waste time defending him to the various entitled ingrates on here and partly because the role could well be effecting the mans health and happiness, which he certainly doesnt deserve. And of course because the next owner will be hugely better for the club apparently. Has anyone actually said that? You know I've been critical of Hoyle but whilst thinking it's the right time for someone new (as he says himself) I still acknowledge it's a fairly dangerous prospect moving on. We might get some sugar daddy who turns us into Bournemouth MKII, or we might get some Massimo Cellino type nutter. Who knows. It could go either way, but probably more likely to go south than anything. But it's going south now regardless, because DH has lost his drive. |
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Post by irverino on Oct 27, 2022 10:36:51 GMT 1
Not very well publicised that Hoyle has left.Single line on Sky Sports saying he had stepped down as CEO,nothing on Look North at lunch-time.I didn,t look on Calendar or at night.If no one knows we are for sale,who will know to put a bid in? I think it's common knowledge throughout the 'business' world, Dean is a minority shareholder on the current board although we know he is our biggest creditor, some asking for him to wipe the debt on here, but in my view it attract some unwanted offers/buyers.........winning euromillions (£113M this week) wouldn't be enough, plus passing the 'fit & proper test' may be difficult for some. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 10:39:29 GMT 1
I like having a fan as our owner. Its a shame it went pear shaped for Hodgkinson because I think he'd have been another excellent owner. I like that we're a 'local club for local people' and having a lifelong town fan owning us fits that nicely. Im relieved he's leaving.. partly because I wont waste time defending him to the various entitled ingrates on here and partly because the role could well be effecting the mans health and happiness, which he certainly doesnt deserve. And of course because the next owner will be hugely better for the club apparently. Has anyone actually said that? You know I've been critical of Hoyle but whilst thinking it's the right time for someone new (as he says himself) I still acknowledge it's a fairly dangerous prospect moving on. We might get some sugar daddy who turns us into Bournemouth MKII, or we might get some Massimo Cellino type nutter. Who knows. It could go either way, but probably more likely to go south than anything. But it's going south now regardless, because DH has lost his drive. Well it was a bit tongue in cheek, but Ive presumed thats what a lot of fans think is bound to happen. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 10:42:44 GMT 1
Realistically, probably one,, and he's stopping doing it to the delight/relief of quite a few fans. Maybe there's another one out there very few are aware of, but it seems unlikely. Hardly anyone had heard of Dean before he came in. Hardly anyone had heard of Phil before he came in (and seemingly could afford to run a club losing money, until he couldn't). There will be others. There are quite a few local self-built businesses that have done well and gone on to be sold globally, realising access to fortunes for their founders. Thats very true, though Id have expected some of these names, if they do exist, to have been thrown into the mix in some of the 'Hoyle out' threads as alternative suggestions. If theyre local, lots of Town fans will be aware of them you'd think. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 27, 2022 10:43:05 GMT 1
Realistically, how many Town fans can there be that can afford to run a club losing 10m a year? And then how many out of that minority are daft enough to do it None. Zero. Zilch. If the new MD is stating the new owner needs to significantly take the club forwards that means we need to be a serious Top 6 Championship side with PL ambition. That means, surely, it has to be an ownership that is mega rich. In that case, not a Town fan IMO |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 27, 2022 10:47:26 GMT 1
Realistically, how many Town fans can there be that can afford to run a club losing 10m a year? And then how many out of that minority are daft enough to do it None. Zero. Zilch. If the new MD is stating the new owner needs to significantly take the club forwards that means we need to be a serious Top 6 Championship side with PL ambition. That means, surely, it has to be an ownership that is mega rich. In that case, not a Town fan IMO I think you’re right: anyone intelligent enough to become filthy rich is, by definition, too intelligent to be a Town fan. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 27, 2022 10:49:56 GMT 1
Not very well publicised that Hoyle has left.Single line on Sky Sports saying he had stepped down as CEO,nothing on Look North at lunch-time.I didn,t look on Calendar or at night.If no one knows we are for sale,who will know to put a bid in? Doubt the Qatari Royal Family are watching Look North to be honest |
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Post by mallyb on Oct 27, 2022 10:52:47 GMT 1
Has anyone actually said that? You know I've been critical of Hoyle but whilst thinking it's the right time for someone new (as he says himself) I still acknowledge it's a fairly dangerous prospect moving on. We might get some sugar daddy who turns us into Bournemouth MKII, or we might get some Massimo Cellino type nutter. Who knows. It could go either way, but probably more likely to go south than anything. But it's going south now regardless, because DH has lost his drive. Well it was a bit tongue in cheek, but Ive presumed thats what a lot of fans think is bound to happen. I've been critical of some of the clubs decisions but not of Dean's intentions. Just think some short-sighted decisions have put us in a really terrible position. I think we will be very lucky if we end up with an upward trajectory after Dean. I do think Phil either got lucky or made some better decisions in his short time in charge and so a local savvy owner making good decisions could do well enough to attract some supporting money, and then who knows? Dean will be remembered for the good times with me and a chairman that was open and spoke with the fans like never before. I started with Longbottom, don't know if he had a Yorkshire accent, never heard him speak. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 27, 2022 10:53:21 GMT 1
I like having a fan as our owner. Its a shame it went pear shaped for Hodgkinson because I think he'd have been another excellent owner. I like that we're a 'local club for local people' and having a lifelong town fan owning us fits that nicely. Im relieved he's leaving.. partly because I wont waste time defending him to the various entitled ingrates on here and partly because the role could well be effecting the mans health and happiness, which he certainly doesnt deserve. And of course because the next owner will be hugely better for the club apparently. Has anyone actually said that? You know I've been critical of Hoyle but whilst thinking it's the right time for someone new (as he says himself) I still acknowledge it's a fairly dangerous prospect moving on. We might get some sugar daddy who turns us into Bournemouth MKII, or we might get some Massimo Cellino type nutter. Who knows. It could go either way, but probably more likely to go south than anything. But it's going south now regardless, because DH has lost his drive.Exactly this. The one thing many are failing to acknowledge is that Hoyle is taking us downward, not necessarily through any fault of his own - possibly change of heart, possibly ill-health. Whatever the case, we need a new start, as Hoyle very firmly laid out. He hasn't made this decision based on a few 'entitled' fans on DATM suggesting he should leave, he's made it because he sees what many others see: he's no longer the right person to run, finance, lead - however you want to put it - the club. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2022 10:54:53 GMT 1
Realistically, probably one,, and he's stopping doing it to the delight/relief of quite a few fans. Maybe there's another one out there very few are aware of, but it seems unlikely. Hardly anyone had heard of Dean before he came in. Hardly anyone had heard of Phil before he came in (and seemingly could afford to run a club losing money, until he couldn't). There will be others. There are quite a few local self-built businesses that have done well and gone on to be sold globally, realising access to fortunes for their founders. Graham Leslie was another one who appeared out of the blue. |
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Post by benhomly on Oct 27, 2022 10:56:39 GMT 1
10 000 people will have to put in £1000 a year to give us £10m. Which is apparently the short fall between revenue and budget without player sales. That's on top of the purchase price. You'd be lucky to get 1000 people who'd do that. Every fan ownership club in this country has gone bust very quickly. I missed the bit where Exeter City, Newport and AFC Wimbledon went bust ?! There are also quite a few clubs that have minority fan ownership providing input and oversight at board level...such as Wycombe, Cheltenham, Carlisle, Grimsby. It must be possible for a fans group to raise as a one-off as much as Phil Hodgkinson ever put in to the club surely? (did we ever find out how much that was?). I suspect, like Dean has done, he put in a good few million of his own money when he was chairman. Just because he wasn't worth anything like Dean is, this notion that Phil was just some chancer with no money is just ridiculous. I suspect what he did put in and won't get back has hurt him more than it will hurt Dean should he have to write his contribution off at some point. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Oct 27, 2022 11:03:06 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues.
No idea who we'll get, but just hope it doesn't drag on for a ridiculously long period. What I haven't seen anyone ask is what does this mean for the January window? We know we need probably two or three signings to help us fight relegation - what chances do we have now?
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2022 11:15:33 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues. No idea who we'll get, but just hope it doesn't drag on for a ridiculously long period. What I haven't seen anyone ask is what does this mean for the January window? We know we need probably two or three signings to help us fight relegation - what chances do we have now? I reckon it’s a 90 per cent chance the new owner will be starting life in the third division. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 27, 2022 11:45:08 GMT 1
Hardly anyone had heard of Dean before he came in. Hardly anyone had heard of Phil before he came in (and seemingly could afford to run a club losing money, until he couldn't). There will be others. There are quite a few local self-built businesses that have done well and gone on to be sold globally, realising access to fortunes for their founders. Thats very true, though Id have expected some of these names, if they do exist, to have been thrown into the mix in some of the 'Hoyle out' threads as alternative suggestions. If theyre local, lots of Town fans will be aware of them you'd think. Why would you expect that? Nobody threw Dean Hoyles name into the mix until it was announced, after what had been a concerted and extended effort over a period of a handful of years to draw Ken Davy out, off the back of the frankly embarrassing way in which certain fans and groups rallied around Adam Pearson. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 27, 2022 11:49:10 GMT 1
Thats very true, though Id have expected some of these names, if they do exist, to have been thrown into the mix in some of the 'Hoyle out' threads as alternative suggestions. If theyre local, lots of Town fans will be aware of them you'd think. Why would you expect that? Nobody threw Dean Hoyles name into the mix until it was announced, after what had been a concerted and extended effort over a period of a handful of years to draw Ken Davy out, off the back of the frankly embarrassing way in which certain fans and groups rallied around Adam Pearson.I wanted Davy out and was a (small) part of FFA, but I couldn't believe this either! |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 27, 2022 11:59:26 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues. No idea who we'll get, but just hope it doesn't drag on for a ridiculously long period. What I haven't seen anyone ask is what does this mean for the January window? We know we need probably two or three signings to help us fight relegation - what chances do we have now? Business as usual. "First and foremost, Town have been keen to emphasise that although Hoyle is stepping back from his personal involvement behind the scenes, he will continue to fund the club as he has done over the past 12 months or so, with the decision-making instead deferred to new managing director Dave Baldwin"
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Post by runner76 on Oct 27, 2022 12:27:45 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues. No idea who we'll get, but just hope it doesn't drag on for a ridiculously long period. What I haven't seen anyone ask is what does this mean for the January window? We know we need probably two or three signings to help us fight relegation - what chances do we have now? That is a very good question......hope it gets sorted in the next 4-6 weeks then!! |
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Post by Champers on Oct 27, 2022 12:52:05 GMT 1
I would hypothetically take Bin Laden as Owner, Gaddafi as manager and play our home games in a Syrian minefield. I don't give a shit who owns us so long as they care as much as I do about having a team that's serious about winning football matches. That brought years to my eyes. Who says we live in a moral free society. If you're looking for morality then you're following the wrong sport, Malcolm. The game sold its soul years ago and if you want your team to be truly competitive then "clean" money isn't going to get you very far. All I care about is having a team that isn't the complete fucking embarrassment that we currently are. If it takes blood money to get there, then I'm 100% fine with that. It does amuse me how many football fans have suddenly started airing their passionate views on the human rights records of various countries. I can't say that I heard a single dissenting voice about the Saudi regime within footballing circles in forty years. Then they rock up at Newcastle and suddenly everyone is a fully paid up member of Amnesty International. Similarly with the UAE and Man City. Quite bizarre. And British people moaning about slavery in other countries...thank heavens our past is squeaky clean, eh? 🙄 |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 27, 2022 13:21:41 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues. No idea who we'll get, but just hope it doesn't drag on for a ridiculously long period. What I haven't seen anyone ask is what does this mean for the January window? We know we need probably two or three signings to help us fight relegation - what chances do we have now? Business as usual. "First and foremost, Town have been keen to emphasise that although Hoyle is stepping back from his personal involvement behind the scenes, he will continue to fund the club as he has done over the past 12 months or so, with the decision-making instead deferred to new managing director Dave Baldwin"
www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-dean-hoyle-sale-25359258Not sure if he reads this forum. If it was me, 5 minutes on here and I would withdraw my support. See how you get on would be my view………. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 14:38:29 GMT 1
Hardly anyone had heard of Dean before he came in. Hardly anyone had heard of Phil before he came in (and seemingly could afford to run a club losing money, until he couldn't). There will be others. There are quite a few local self-built businesses that have done well and gone on to be sold globally, realising access to fortunes for their founders. Graham Leslie was another one who appeared out of the blue. I thought he was an existing board member? Could be remembering that wrong though. Doubt he was on a financial level to be putting £100k every week into the club either, though I could be wrong about that too. football was relatively cheap for owners when he was the owner. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 14:41:04 GMT 1
Not very well publicised that Hoyle has left.Single line on Sky Sports saying he had stepped down as CEO,nothing on Look North at lunch-time.I didn,t look on Calendar or at night.If no one knows we are for sale,who will know to put a bid in? Doubt the Qatari Royal Family are watching Look North to be honest Maybe someone told them theres an opportunity to do with Hoyle exploration and they misheard slightly? |
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Post by Terriersmad on Oct 27, 2022 14:50:39 GMT 1
In the perfect world, I want owners like Leicester's to come in. They put their money where their mouths were, invested in the club, and also bought into the local community and really became a part of the scenery. They worked with the club, rather than just for themselves. Mega-rich outsiders who made themselves insiders.
I really don't want someone to come in who might want to sportswash. The Newcastle takeover (not that we'd get that kind of interest) is exactly what I don't want. Success, but at the cost of selling some of our soul. Many wouldn't care, but I personally would.
Whatever happens, I want to see some acknowledgement that football club ownership isn't just about ploughing money in and buying success.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2022 14:56:54 GMT 1
Graham Leslie was another one who appeared out of the blue. I thought he was an existing board member? Could be remembering that wrong though. Doubt he was on a financial level to be putting £100k every week into the club either, though I could be wrong about that too. football was relatively cheap for owners when he was the owner. I seem to remember that Keith Longbottom was at a meeting telling disgruntled fans there was nobody in Huddersfield with the kind of money to spend that supporters wanted. Leslie stood up and said that was an assumption. Leslie subsequently took over and was a driving force behind the new ground. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 15:00:39 GMT 1
I thought he was an existing board member? Could be remembering that wrong though. Doubt he was on a financial level to be putting £100k every week into the club either, though I could be wrong about that too. football was relatively cheap for owners when he was the owner. I seem to remember that Keith Longbottom was at a meeting telling disgruntled fans there was nobody in Huddersfield with the kind of money to spend that supporters wanted. Leslie stood up and said that was an assumption. Leslie subsequently took over and was a driving force behind the new ground. Would that have been the late 80s then? Not sure its comparable to now. I can remember when we signed Jacko from Newcastle (?), and it leaked out his wage was going to be £1000 a week.. everyone was amazed we could be paying so much!!  |
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