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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 26, 2022 10:33:24 GMT 1
I must admit, it was a good ride overall. Full season 1. Playoff semi Season 2. Playoff final. Season 3. Playoff winners. Season 4. Championship survival. Season 5. Championship survival. Season 6. Championship survival. Season 7. Championship survival. Season 8. Wagner miracle. Season 9. Wagner miracle. Season 10. Relegation. Full season 11. Likely relegation. But, the ride will likely end with starting next season exactly where he picked us up, only with ten times the debt. Expensive joy ride by the 'custodian' of the club. Are we really in a better position than when he took over? Do we own the training ground? No. Do we own the stadium? No. Do we have an academy? No. Are we likely in deep financial trouble if we get relegated or not? Yes. Some 'custodian.' Do we have a training ground that is an actual professional facility and isn't just portacabins? Yes. Do we have a stadium with grass on it rather than just mud? Yes. Have we seen a big improvement in general facilities around the stadium? Yes. Do we have a team, no matter how bad this year has been, who are well above the likes of Luke Beckett, Malvin Kamara and Jon Worthington? By a country mile, yes. Do we have more fans coming in every week? Yes. Comfortably. Do we have to look back 40 years for the last time we were in the top flight? No. Have we made huge strides in the community, done great deeds for charity and improved the lives of people around Huddersfield? Yes. Do we have strong commercial income coming into the club each year? Yes. If you cant see how were in a better position now then frankly, you're in Cloud Cookoo Land. With you other than that!  Jon Worthington in his prime would get in this team IMO |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 26, 2022 10:39:59 GMT 1
Personally I wish him good health and I hope he enjoys the rest of his life. I am sure his family will be pleased that he has taken this decision.
My views on where this leaves Town will very much be shaped by how things shake out in the future. There are many positives, some negatives and some questions that would benefit from some answers.
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Post by space hardware on Oct 26, 2022 12:13:28 GMT 1
Do we have a training ground that is an actual professional facility and isn't just portacabins? Yes. Do we have a stadium with grass on it rather than just mud? Yes. Have we seen a big improvement in general facilities around the stadium? Yes. Do we have a team, no matter how bad this year has been, who are well above the likes of Luke Beckett, Malvin Kamara and Jon Worthington? By a country mile, yes. Do we have more fans coming in every week? Yes. Comfortably. Do we have to look back 40 years for the last time we were in the top flight? No. Have we made huge strides in the community, done great deeds for charity and improved the lives of people around Huddersfield? Yes. Do we have strong commercial income coming into the club each year? Yes. If you cant see how were in a better position now then frankly, you're in Cloud Cookoo Land. With you other than that! Jon Worthington in his prime would get in this team IMOI hope this statement has been made with tongue firmly in cheek. |
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Post by deepc on Oct 26, 2022 12:51:54 GMT 1
I wish him good luck and good health with the rest of his life.
I thank him for what he did with the club and I believe his motives were the for best when he took over from Davy. I don't know if his mindset changed post his illness, but things certainly appeared to.
This is a good time for him to go as imo the vitriol towards him has only just begun.
Never expected to see us in the topflight again after a brief flirtation with the top of the league during the Ruberry era.
I was around in the 1970's when following relegation from the top league the rot set in and unfortunately this season has from match one had the same feel about it.
We have a squad of players who are plainly not up to competing in this league. Combine that with rookie managers and a bizarre recruitment policy which, imo , will only end up with one outcome.
Hope that I am wrong
UTT
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Post by 28901 on Oct 26, 2022 13:07:18 GMT 1
The club should be here long after Dean Hoyle, MF, LB etc have gone, it’s part of the process. Actually it might not be. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Oct 26, 2022 13:16:02 GMT 1
I will always be grateful to Dean for the two promotions and the first premier league season. For the work he did making the club a real community club - supporting several very good causes and charities. But I'll also always be mystified and dismayed at his involvement post 2018. It tarnishes what went before somewhat.
As with anything, you have to take the rough with the smooth. And he has to take the plaudits and the criticism - one without the other is imbalanced and disingenuous.
I'm glad he's going - it is best for everyone - for him and his family (Always found them grand on a personal level) and for the club. We need an owner with fresh impetus and desire. Let's hop it doesn't drag on. In theory, we could be an attractive prospect - if the stadium shares issue is sorted, and Canalside is handled correctly etc, we should be able to show interested parties what happened under Wagner and whet their appetites.
All in all, good luck Dean. We have a lot to thank you for.
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Post by horler1 on Oct 26, 2022 13:44:16 GMT 1
It's funny how people are hoping he'll write off his £40m debt. Question, how much were we in debt when he took over? The club got over £200m from our stint in the premier league yet the debt the club owe have increased 10 fold & we're heading back to where we started. He gave a heartfelt parting message though so no problem 👍 Question is; could anyone have done better and still retain our character and history? Foreign owners bring money, yes, but would they ultimately change what we are. I personally like us being the underdog but overachieving and doing it in the right way. It’s a really tough job for anyone who comes in. Can any of us really say that given Hoyle money we would have done a better job? I don’t think I would have. For a start I don’t think I would have changed the academy and that’s turning out to be a master stroke. I think he did a great job. However, the time has come for a change and he’s recognised that. I’m not sure we could expect more. |
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Post by theravymoomin on Oct 26, 2022 19:08:05 GMT 1
Tell you what. Everyone enjoyed the ride to the prem
Didn’t hear anyone complaining then!
Yeah we are not in a great position to say the least. We are all frustrated, but give the man credit where credit is due!
Local man, a fan, who took us on an incredible ride, was always going to come to an end, does nobody remember the days under rubery and Dave Taylor, I will take what we have got now over that no problem, heard one lad at game saying if he saw Dean he would take a pop at him, yeah right,
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 26, 2022 19:52:04 GMT 1
Agree with most on here, there have been more highs than lows in his 14 years in charge, times me and my kids will remenber for ever, not nuch more to say really, the club moves onto the next chapter, each individual will have their memories of the DH era, and the good times when thought out properly will definetely outweigh the bad.
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Post by alexdire on Oct 26, 2022 20:20:03 GMT 1
With you other than that! Jon Worthington in his prime would get in this team IMOI hope this statement has been made with tongue firmly in cheek. No, we are that bad. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 26, 2022 20:23:15 GMT 1
Go support another club you xxxxxxxx let’s just see who rides into save us now Please tell me how we we are not chaos... feel free to use you big font..you big melt.. Cause and effect we are not as bad as some make out |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 26, 2022 20:24:42 GMT 1
I hope this statement has been made with tongue firmly in cheek. No, we are that bad. I'm pretty sure Slaps is one of those that thinks this squad is a mid table Championship one 🤭 If he thinks that a guy like Worthington, who never played above League One, would start in midfield for us then something doesn't quite add up, hence me hoping he was joking. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 26, 2022 20:25:29 GMT 1
It's funny how people are hoping he'll write off his £40m debt. Question, how much were we in debt when he took over? The club got over £200m from our stint in the premier league yet the debt the club owe have increased 10 fold & we're heading back to where we started. He gave a heartfelt parting message though so no problem 👍 Question is; could anyone have done better and still retain our character and history? Foreign owners bring money, yes, but would they ultimately change what we are. I personally like us being the underdog but overachieving and doing it in the right way. It’s a really tough job for anyone who comes in. Can any of us really say that given Hoyle money we would have done a better job? I don’t think I would have. For a start I don’t think I would have changed the academy and that’s turning out to be a master stroke. I think he did a great job. However, the time has come for a change and he’s recognised that. I’m not sure we could expect more. In 14 years the game has changed |
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Post by mids on Oct 26, 2022 20:42:06 GMT 1
Pancreatitis definitely changed the fortunes of our club for the worse. Shame really, but it is what it is.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Oct 26, 2022 23:39:12 GMT 1
This thread is a thank you Dean Hoyle thread. If you want to spout on about your opinion of how bad Deans tenure was, there is 20 odd page thread entitled - Under Dean Hoyle. Put your thoughts there.
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Post by blueandwhitemavis on Oct 27, 2022 0:04:06 GMT 1
Maybe the topic should be called what has Mr Hoyle ever done for us.....
Best 14yrs while I've been watching, never a dull moment
Took us to the Premier League
Put Huddersfield on the footballing map
I never thought I would see Huddersfield at Anfield, Old Trafford etc etc
Backing Mr Wagner
We are sorry to hear you are not well, we hope you are ok
Thanks for the memories
Looking forward to seeing you in the Kilner Bank again, you will get a heroes welcome
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 9:23:24 GMT 1
With you other than that! Jon Worthington in his prime would get in this team IMOI hope this statement has been made with tongue firmly in cheek. You'd be disappointed then. Worthy (circa 2005-6-7) , or Kasumu or Jon Russell?? Worthy all day long for me. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 9:31:36 GMT 1
I wish him good luck and good health with the rest of his life. I thank him for what he did with the club and I believe his motives were the for best when he took over from Davy. I don't know if his mindset changed post his illness, but things certainly appeared to. This is a good time for him to go as imo the vitriol towards him has only just begun. Never expected to see us in the topflight again after a brief flirtation with the top of the league during the Ruberry era. I was around in the 1970's when following relegation from the top league the rot set in and unfortunately this season has from match one had the same feel about it. We have a squad of players who are plainly not up to competing in this league. Combine that with rookie managers and a bizarre recruitment policy which, imo , will only end up with one outcome. Hope that I am wrong UTT This I dont get. The large bulk of the squad that just finished 3rd a few months ago is still here.. yet now we have a squad that plainly cant even compete in this division?? LOB and Toffs are losses as both were amongst our better players, but they really weren't that good that losing them would make that level of difference. Is Jackson REALLY that much worse than Toffolo?? Im not seeing it. The 'bizarre recruitment policy' doesnt seem any different from the policy we had in the summer of 2021 that went on to forge that 3rd place finish. Signings from lower down the pyramid and a loan or two from the PL. The only difference really is we actually paid for some of them this time. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 27, 2022 10:12:04 GMT 1
I wish him good luck and good health with the rest of his life. I thank him for what he did with the club and I believe his motives were the for best when he took over from Davy. I don't know if his mindset changed post his illness, but things certainly appeared to. This is a good time for him to go as imo the vitriol towards him has only just begun. Never expected to see us in the topflight again after a brief flirtation with the top of the league during the Ruberry era. I was around in the 1970's when following relegation from the top league the rot set in and unfortunately this season has from match one had the same feel about it. We have a squad of players who are plainly not up to competing in this league. Combine that with rookie managers and a bizarre recruitment policy which, imo , will only end up with one outcome. Hope that I am wrong UTT This I dont get. The large bulk of the squad that just finished 3rd a few months ago is still here.. yet now we have a squad that plainly cant even compete in this division?? LOB and Toffs are losses as both were amongst our better players, but they really weren't that good that losing them would make that level of difference. Is Jackson REALLY that much worse than Toffolo?? Im not seeing it. The 'bizarre recruitment policy' doesnt seem any different from the policy we had in the summer of 2021 that went on to forge that 3rd place finish. Signings from lower down the pyramid and a loan or two from the PL. The only difference really is we actually paid for some of them this time. As much as Jackson has done okay. That statement is ridiculous right now. I believe he has the potential to be better than Toff. Also we haven't replaced Sinani. I got pelters for defending him last season. I feel he is a huge loss. We have replaced Sarr and Colwill with some useless lump from City and Will Boyle. Realised the mistake so ended spending on Helik. Rudoni and Kasumu are good but not in the same mould as LOB and Sinani. Yuta hasn't shown me anything that suggests he is better to Toff. Russell has been swapped for Dwayne Mattis. Tino and Pearson injured all the time. Replaced Pipa with KKH. We are so much weaker this term. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 10:32:08 GMT 1
This I dont get. The large bulk of the squad that just finished 3rd a few months ago is still here.. yet now we have a squad that plainly cant even compete in this division?? LOB and Toffs are losses as both were amongst our better players, but they really weren't that good that losing them would make that level of difference. Is Jackson REALLY that much worse than Toffolo?? Im not seeing it. The 'bizarre recruitment policy' doesnt seem any different from the policy we had in the summer of 2021 that went on to forge that 3rd place finish. Signings from lower down the pyramid and a loan or two from the PL. The only difference really is we actually paid for some of them this time. As much as Jackson has done okay. That statement is ridiculous right now. I believe he has the potential to be better than Toff. Also we haven't replaced Sinani. I got pelters for defending him last season. I feel he is a huge loss. We have replaced Sarr and Colwill with some useless lump from City and Will Boyle. Realised the mistake so ended spending on Helik. Rudoni and Kasumu are good but not in the same mould as LOB and Sinani. Yuta hasn't shown me anything that suggests he is better to Toff. Russell has been swapped for Dwayne Mattis. Tino and Pearson injured all the time. Replaced Pipa with KKH. We are so much weaker this term. Im not saying Jackson is as good as Toffs,, yet,, just dont see him being so much worse that it would make such a huge difference. Toffs had a strong end to the season, but for large parts before that I thought he was a bit 'meh' to be honest. I dont see losing sinani as much of a loss at all. He was our weakest regular starter last season IMO The useless lump from city 'should' be at least as good as colwill. Hes nearer the first team at his parent club and its a much better parent club. Its a strange one that. He simply cannot be the player weve seen so far. Colwill was not a nailed on starter by the way. Boyle was a replacement for Sarr... a new back up 4th or 5th choice option, so hardly a meaningful shift there. Pearson being injured is a blow, but helix is a good signing IMO and Id put him above a fit Pearson in the pecking order. Sometimes you have to wait until the end of a window to do a deal.. it doesnt mean youre panic buying. Pipa barely played and when he did was pretty useless. Absolutely no loss on last season there IMO. After a very positive start Rudoni has drifted a bit. Kasumu looks a bit L1 to me to be fair. Russells form has crashed but camara has come in and had good games and not so good games as you'd expect from a kid. Between them, yeah we're missing LOB in the midfield at this stage, but again.. to the degree that it would turn last season squad into one that cant even compete in this division?? I dont think so. |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 27, 2022 10:38:05 GMT 1
I hope this statement has been made with tongue firmly in cheek. You'd be disappointed then. Worthy (circa 2005-6-7) , or Kasumu or Jon Russell?? Worthy all day long for me. So, a classic League One journeyman would walk into our midfield right now? I thought you said this squad is almost as good as last season's? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 10:47:07 GMT 1
You'd be disappointed then. Worthy (circa 2005-6-7) , or Kasumu or Jon Russell?? Worthy all day long for me. So, a classic League One journeyman would walk into our midfield right now? I thought you said this squad is almost as good as last season's? At the time he was a lot more than that and could have easily played at a higher level IMO. I believe we turned down quite a few offers for him because he was so important to us, as the results when he played compared to when he didnt proved. ( this takes me back.. where's Shawsie??) |
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Post by Sio on Oct 27, 2022 10:55:09 GMT 1
So, a classic League One journeyman would walk into our midfield right now? I thought you said this squad is almost as good as last season's? At the time he was a lot more than that and could have easily played at a higher level IMO. I believe we turned down quite a few offers for him because he was so important to us, as the results when he played compared to when he didnt proved. ( this takes me back.. where's Shawsie??) Always loved Davy |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 27, 2022 10:57:45 GMT 1
So, a classic League One journeyman would walk into our midfield right now? I thought you said this squad is almost as good as last season's? At the time he was a lot more than that and could have easily played at a higher level IMO. I believe we turned down quite a few offers for him because he was so important to us, as the results when he played compared to when he didnt proved. ( this takes me back.. where's Shawsie??) Arguing about Worthington...... ahhhh, they were such innocent times 😁😁 |
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Post by joek on Oct 27, 2022 11:05:16 GMT 1
Tell you what. Everyone enjoyed the ride to the prem Didn’t hear anyone complaining then! Yeah we are not in a great position to say the least. We are all frustrated, but give the man credit where credit is due! Local man, a fan, who took us on an incredible ride, was always going to come to an end, does nobody remember the days under rubery and Dave Taylor, I will take what we have got now over that no problem, heard one lad at game saying if he saw Dean he would take a pop at him, yeah right, Only three likes for this post fifteen hours after posting. Been a great ride and rarely a dull season for the last 15 years. Contrast that with the absolute rubbish we had to put up with following Championship relegation in 2001. Some very, very short memories on here. *Or just loads of young posters who don’t remember those days anyway! |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 27, 2022 12:30:22 GMT 1
As much as Jackson has done okay. That statement is ridiculous right now. I believe he has the potential to be better than Toff. Also we haven't replaced Sinani. I got pelters for defending him last season. I feel he is a huge loss. We have replaced Sarr and Colwill with some useless lump from City and Will Boyle. Realised the mistake so ended spending on Helik. Rudoni and Kasumu are good but not in the same mould as LOB and Sinani. Yuta hasn't shown me anything that suggests he is better to Toff. Russell has been swapped for Dwayne Mattis. Tino and Pearson injured all the time. Replaced Pipa with KKH. We are so much weaker this term. Im not saying Jackson is as good as Toffs,, yet,, just dont see him being so much worse that it would make such a huge difference. Toffs had a strong end to the season, but for large parts before that I thought he was a bit 'meh' to be honest. I dont see losing sinani as much of a loss at all. He was our weakest regular starter last season IMO The useless lump from city 'should' be at least as good as colwill. Hes nearer the first team at his parent club and its a much better parent club. Its a strange one that. He simply cannot be the player weve seen so far. Colwill was not a nailed on starter by the way. Boyle was a replacement for Sarr... a new back up 4th or 5th choice option, so hardly a meaningful shift there. Pearson being injured is a blow, but helix is a good signing IMO and Id put him above a fit Pearson in the pecking order. Sometimes you have to wait until the end of a window to do a deal.. it doesnt mean youre panic buying. Pipa barely played and when he did was pretty useless. Absolutely no loss on last season there IMO. After a very positive start Rudoni has drifted a bit. Kasumu looks a bit L1 to me to be fair. Russells form has crashed but camara has come in and had good games and not so good games as you'd expect from a kid. Between them, yeah we're missing LOB in the midfield at this stage, but again.. to the degree that it would turn last season squad into one that cant even compete in this division?? I dont think so. If that is the case why do you think we are where we are? The change in the coach The players not giving a */%@ |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 27, 2022 13:12:16 GMT 1
The big chance to become a serious contender at Championship level squandered by chasing the dream, we were never going to stabilise as a prem team on first time of asking after being away from top flight so long. We weren't the first club guilty of it and won't be the last. Frustrating but it happens.
The change in approach from the days of Taylor and then Davy to when DH took over was a sea change though, more focussed and more professional. You could sense it from the appointment of Clark onward even though he ultimately fell short of his goal and some other managerial appointments didn't work out.
Hope Dean finds the happiness in whatever he goes on to do that he found at his most successful times at Town.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 14:52:04 GMT 1
Im not saying Jackson is as good as Toffs,, yet,, just dont see him being so much worse that it would make such a huge difference. Toffs had a strong end to the season, but for large parts before that I thought he was a bit 'meh' to be honest. I dont see losing sinani as much of a loss at all. He was our weakest regular starter last season IMO The useless lump from city 'should' be at least as good as colwill. Hes nearer the first team at his parent club and its a much better parent club. Its a strange one that. He simply cannot be the player weve seen so far. Colwill was not a nailed on starter by the way. Boyle was a replacement for Sarr... a new back up 4th or 5th choice option, so hardly a meaningful shift there. Pearson being injured is a blow, but helix is a good signing IMO and Id put him above a fit Pearson in the pecking order. Sometimes you have to wait until the end of a window to do a deal.. it doesnt mean youre panic buying. Pipa barely played and when he did was pretty useless. Absolutely no loss on last season there IMO. After a very positive start Rudoni has drifted a bit. Kasumu looks a bit L1 to me to be fair. Russells form has crashed but camara has come in and had good games and not so good games as you'd expect from a kid. Between them, yeah we're missing LOB in the midfield at this stage, but again.. to the degree that it would turn last season squad into one that cant even compete in this division?? I dont think so. If that is the case why do you think we are where we are? The change in the coach The players not giving a */%@ Change in coaches hasnt helped obviously. Corboran walking out when he did.. Schofiled not working out.. Just a hangover from the whole Wembley debacle mainly. Players just finding it very hard to 'get back on the horse'. Nicholls, Lees, Hogg, Ward, Russell, Thomas.. over half our first choice XI last season from xmas on when we really established ourselves in the top group ...all excellent back then, all to varying degree nothing like as good this season. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2022 15:06:47 GMT 1
Gave us some wonderful times - the Wembley finals and top flight football. It’s sad for it to end this way. He’s acknowledged in his statement that he made mistakes - don’t we all. I hope he finds some peace when he passes the burden on and that he can start enjoying just following his team again.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 27, 2022 15:53:52 GMT 1
If that is the case why do you think we are where we are? The change in the coach The players not giving a */%@ Change in coaches hasnt helped obviously. Corboran walking out when he did.. Schofiled not working out.. Just a hangover from the whole Wembley debacle mainly. Players just finding it very hard to 'get back on the horse'. Nicholls, Lees, Hogg, Ward, Russell, Thomas.. over half our first choice XI last season from xmas on when we really established ourselves in the top group ...all excellent back then, all to varying degree nothing like as good this season. I was hoping you had spotted something I had not. LOB and Toffs Energy, drive and pace contributed to much more that Towns management thought. If running a football club was was easy I suppose we would all be Sir Alex Ferguson's. I think I would have given Schofield a few hard words after the first game against Burnley. Our latest coach certainly has not got the traditional attitude to management and could do with a good friend to bounce his ideas on before he opens his mouth, but this is not the reason we are propping up the table. Obviously the change in coaching has not helped, but the ethos of last seasons team has been lost and we need to find a one from somewhere. |
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