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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 18, 2022 0:19:05 GMT 1
At 12 quid a can cant see many drunken brawls, unless theres a dodgy bloke selling moonshine on the back streets!! I don't think Westie is going to this world cup. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 18, 2022 0:30:49 GMT 1
No love for Bayern, Liverpool, Southampton, Senegal, Salzburg etc but what a good player that lad is. He'll be a massive loss for Senegal and for the WC in general. A player who'd make watching Senegal a bit more bearable. Is that a bit harsh? Once scored a Premier league hattrick in 176 seconds, that's less than a goal a minute. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 18, 2022 0:45:44 GMT 1
At 12 quid a can cant see many drunken brawls, unless theres a dodgy bloke selling moonshine on the back streets!! I don't think Westie is going to this world cup. Westie would get a crate for £12 in Huddersfield… |
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 18, 2022 3:22:09 GMT 1
I don't think Westie is going to this world cup. Westie would get a crate for £12 in Huddersfield… and buy a new top when he takes the empties back!! |
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 18, 2022 8:29:19 GMT 1
I'm always buzzing on the eve of a World Cup but not this time. The tragedy of the hundreds (thousands?) of workers who have died building the stadiums is pretty horrendous. This was modern day slave labour. The total disregard of human rights is appalling. But... it is not these things that really resonate; it's the total corrupt nature of world football that has allowed Qatar to host the competition in exchange for filling FIFAs coffers with billions.
Being a fan I will probably come round, but I won't be watching it to the extent that I usually do. And the England team? Do me a favour!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 18, 2022 10:53:19 GMT 1
I'm always buzzing on the eve of a World Cup but not this time. The tragedy of the hundreds (thousands?) of workers who have died building the stadiums is pretty horrendous. This was modern day slave labour. The total disregard of human rights is appalling. But... it is not these things that really resonate; it's the total corrupt nature of world football that has allowed Qatar to host the competition in exchange for filling FIFAs coffers with billions. Being a fan I will probably come round, but I won't be watching it to the extent that I usually do. And the England team? Do me a favour! I always like a bit of context in these situations. If the figures reported as 6,500 deaths are accurate, then set that across a generous 12yr build programme, that's around 1.5 constructions deaths per day on average, every day for the last 12 years. Imagine those sort of figures being recorded in the UK? There would have been outrage long before we got to this point. The report in the link below has 30 deaths being attributed to the construction sector in 2021/22. Then think about how big Qatar is, that this is related to 7 new stadia & the infrastructure around that build & the new hotels etc. Sad fact is, that rich Arab nations don't give a flying fuck about the immigrant labour that comes in to do these jobs for them. I'm not naive enough to think there would be UK type H&S, but it wouldn't have cost them that much more to invest in a safer environment & pay scale that would have avoided a lot of the criticism they've been getting & will continue to get. Once the WC has finished in about 30 days time, what will they do with this 'legacy', the infrastructure? Will they try and appeal to become the next Dubai? Giving them the WC just seems wrong on so many levels, but that's what money does, and when you have so many Govts also turning a blind eye. In some respects you could argue this should possibly have been a repeat of the 1980 Olympic games (albeit different circumstances), but I doubt we'll see that again on a global sporting stage. link
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2022 10:54:28 GMT 1
No love for Bayern, Liverpool, Southampton, Senegal, Salzburg etc but what a good player that lad is. He'll be a massive loss for Senegal and for the WC in general. A player who'd make watching Senegal a bit more bearable. Is that a bit harsh? Once scored a Premier league hattrick in 176 seconds, that's less than a goal a minute. And look how much their attack has lost cohesion since Mane left! Brilliant player, even if he came across mornjy some of the time. Oh to have someone of his ability up front for us! |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Nov 18, 2022 10:56:14 GMT 1
Anybody got any tips of non obvious players for fantasy footy purposes? If you are after relatively under the radar (cheapish) attacking defenders you can do much worse than Maehle (Denmark) or Sosa (Croatia). midfielders (as well as Pedri) Musiala (Germany) & Skol Olsen (Denmark) attacker Gakpo (Holland) Thanks for these ideas.  Will see if I can get some in my team. |
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Post by scutcher on Nov 18, 2022 11:25:33 GMT 1
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Post by sabailand on Nov 18, 2022 11:55:05 GMT 1
Trevor Phillips on QT last night said something along very similar lines. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2022 12:03:22 GMT 1
Trevor Phillips on QT last night said something along very similar lines. I was going to post about the divisiveness of BLM a while ago, but fully expected to be jumped on. Half my mates I keep in contact with from when I lived in Fartown think they're the bee's knees, the other half despise the organisation. It's not just white football fans who have questioned taking the knee. One of them (ex detainee at {I think} HMP Wealston) was extremely scathing. One of his quotes was "they didn't take the fucking knee for me and I'm LESS of a criminal than him!"  |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 18, 2022 12:07:08 GMT 1
Trevor Phillips on QT last night said something along very similar lines. I was going to post about the divisiveness of BLM a while ago, but fully expected to be jumped on. Half my mates I keep in contact with from when I lived in Fartown think they're the bee's knees, the other half despise the organisation. It's not just white football fans who have questioned taking the knee. One of them (ex detainee at {I think} HMP Wealston) was extremely scathing. One of his quotes was "they didn't take the fucking knee for me and I'm LESS of a criminal than him!" Many people both black and white have this thing about BLM having the unwavering support of the black community, they dont. |
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Post by anchorless on Nov 18, 2022 12:16:00 GMT 1
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Post by Hank Hill on Nov 18, 2022 12:19:26 GMT 1
And now just 2 days before it's about to start, they've banned beer in the stadiums. English, Aussies, Belgians, Polish and German fans have collectively lost the will to live.
Budweiser won't be happy with that, they're one of the main sponsors. What an absolute fucking omnishambles it's turning out to be, and it's not even started yet.
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2022 12:29:13 GMT 1
And now just 2 days before it's about to start, they've banned beer in the stadiums. English, Aussies, Belgians, Polish and German fans have collectively lost the will to live. Budweiser won't be happy with that, they're one of the main sponsors. What an absolute fucking omnishambles it's turning out to be, and it's not even started yet. Beat me to it Mulder. One of the main sponsors but you can't buy their product? Their CEO's must be bloody fuming! |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 18, 2022 12:29:51 GMT 1
Trevor Phillips on QT last night said something along very similar lines. I was going to post about the divisiveness of BLM a while ago, but fully expected to be jumped on. Half my mates I keep in contact with from when I lived in Fartown think they're the bee's knees, the other half despise the organisation. It's not just white football fans who have questioned taking the knee. One of them (ex detainee at {I think} HMP Wealston) was extremely scathing. One of his quotes was "they didn't take the fucking knee for me and I'm LESS of a criminal than him!" Presumably though, you're mate hadn't been killed by the police before he went to prison 😉 |
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Post by mosher on Nov 18, 2022 12:35:42 GMT 1
I was going to post about the divisiveness of BLM a while ago, but fully expected to be jumped on. Half my mates I keep in contact with from when I lived in Fartown think they're the bee's knees, the other half despise the organisation. It's not just white football fans who have questioned taking the knee. One of them (ex detainee at {I think} HMP Wealston) was extremely scathing. One of his quotes was "they didn't take the fucking knee for me and I'm LESS of a criminal than him!" Presumably though, you're mate hadn't been killed by the police before he went to prison 😉 LOL no obviously, but he HAS been in the choke hold that killed Floyd and has been highlighted extensively, despite it being used by many, many security and police forces throughout the world. Although most of those forces/institutions train their personnel to notice when their captive has blacked out or is on the verge of it. Don't get me wrong, what that copper did was beyond the pale and he deserved to be vilified, sacked and prosecuted for it, no argument from me there. I don't personally think he intended to kill Floyd, he was incompetent and/or badly trained IMO |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2022 12:41:59 GMT 1
And now just 2 days before it's about to start, they've banned beer in the stadiums. English, Aussies, Belgians, Polish and German fans have collectively lost the will to live. Budweiser won't be happy with that, they're one of the main sponsors. What an absolute fucking omnishambles it's turning out to be, and it's not even started yet. Beat me to it Mulder. One of the main sponsors but you can't buy their product? Their CEO's must be bloody fuming! Pressure on the Royal Family from the religious leaders. I understand the religious leaders are fuming about the levels of shite the 'religion' is getting as we get closer to the event starting. We seem to have tried to divorce the religion from the Qatari life by pretending its 'man made laws' that we are against?  They dont see them as 'man made'(obviously thats bollocks) but thats religion for you. We are even pandering to the religion now by blaming the state.?🤫🤫 |
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Post by calken on Nov 18, 2022 12:43:07 GMT 1
And now just 2 days before it's about to start, they've banned beer in the stadiums. English, Aussies, Belgians, Polish and German fans have collectively lost the will to live. Budweiser won't be happy with that, they're one of the main sponsors. What an absolute fucking omnishambles it's turning out to be, and it's not even started yet. Bud still have zero.... This sounds more like it was the plan all along. Let's tell everyone they can drink in the stadiums until it's too late and they are committed to going and then cancel at the last minute. If they had an intention to sell Alcohol at the stadiums, it would have been ordered months ago and already be there. What is the Stadium going to do with 1000's of pints of beer with no-one to sell it to unless it was never ordered in the first place? Bearing in mind that there will be no local producer and it will all be imported. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Nov 18, 2022 12:49:11 GMT 1
Qatar have really taken the piss out of FIFA, first by getting the tournament moved from our summer to our winter, continually moving the goalposts about what the LGBTQ can expect & now banning beer at the stadiums, after saying it would be available.
It's a total shit show & you wonder what is coming next.
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Post by sabailand on Nov 18, 2022 12:49:41 GMT 1
I was going to post about the divisiveness of BLM a while ago, but fully expected to be jumped on. Half my mates I keep in contact with from when I lived in Fartown think they're the bee's knees, the other half despise the organisation. It's not just white football fans who have questioned taking the knee. One of them (ex detainee at {I think} HMP Wealston) was extremely scathing. One of his quotes was "they didn't take the fucking knee for me and I'm LESS of a criminal than him!" Presumably though, you're mate hadn't been killed by the police before he went to prison 😉 A criminals demise one who had a charge sheet a mile long (alleged gun crime included) was the victim of police brutality, spare me the tears, and i'd have said exactly the same thing if the victim had been white. |
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Post by alexdire on Nov 18, 2022 12:50:25 GMT 1
UEFA used to ban alcohol sales at their qualifying games. I remember walking up Wembley way listening to the announcements saying alcohol won't be on sale in the ground. Then looking up at the corporate areas and seeing the tables in the windows with bottles of Champagne on them.
FIFA should have just been honest about this World Cup and made it corporate only. Which is what Qatar and FIFA probably wanted anyway. The people on corporate jaunts will be able to drink in the hotels, cruise ships and in the corporate areas.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2022 12:53:23 GMT 1
And now just 2 days before it's about to start, they've banned beer in the stadiums. English, Aussies, Belgians, Polish and German fans have collectively lost the will to live. Budweiser won't be happy with that, they're one of the main sponsors. What an absolute fucking omnishambles it's turning out to be, and it's not even started yet. Bud still have zero.... This sounds more like it was the plan all along. Let's tell everyone they can drink in the stadiums until it's too late and they are committed to going and then cancel at the last minute. If they had an intention to sell Alcohol at the stadiums, it would have been ordered months ago and already be there. What is the Stadium going to do with 1000's of pints of beer with no-one to sell it to unless it was never ordered in the first place? Bearing in mind that there will be no local producer and it will all be imported. There are always a load of 'local small businesses' producing alcohol, prostitution of all kinds, drugs, cigs, pornography etc etc, just maybe not on the level required for a world cup and the religious and ordinary police who run it wont be allowed to supply these services during the world cup, by order. Its a religious state which means everything thats illegal just costs more and is limited even more to those that can afford to enjoy it and cover what they do...🙄 |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 18, 2022 12:54:02 GMT 1
Will fans still be able to drink extortionately priced beer in 'fans zones'?
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Post by alexdire on Nov 18, 2022 12:56:15 GMT 1
Will fans still be able to drink extorionately priced beer in 'fans zones'? Yes as those will be out of sight and probably not open or visible to Qatari's. I presume they will have their own dry fan zones in downtown Doha. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Nov 18, 2022 12:57:33 GMT 1
Will fans still be able to drink extorionately priced beer in 'fans zones'? Anybody who would pay £12.50 for a pint of lager has got too much money. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 18, 2022 13:07:33 GMT 1
Now just watch the media try and seperate alcohol from all the other 'religious' laws of Qatar..
Its beautiful in its cringeworthy, mealy mouthed bullshittery..
Move it to deaths of workers, keep off womens rights ffs...🤫🤫
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 18, 2022 13:22:39 GMT 1
Beat me to it Mulder. One of the main sponsors but you can't buy their product? Their CEO's must be bloody fuming! Pressure on the Royal Family from the religious leaders. I understand the religious leaders are fuming about the levels of shite the 'religion' is getting as we get closer to the event starting. We seem to have tried to divorce the religion from the Qatari life by pretending its 'man made laws' that we are against? They dont see them as 'man made'(obviously thats bollocks) but thats religion for you. We are even pandering to the religion now by blaming the state.?🤫🤫 Yes ,amongst all the condemnation everyones being very careful not to include the word 'islam', which of course is the driving force behind what theyre condemning. Like blaming the Russian soldiers for invading Ukraine but being careful to avoid pointing the finger at Putin. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 18, 2022 13:25:32 GMT 1
UEFA used to ban alcohol sales at their qualifying games. I remember walking up Wembley way listening to the announcements saying alcohol won't be on sale in the ground. Then looking up at the corporate areas and seeing the tables in the windows with bottles of Champagne on them. FIFA should have just been honest about this World Cup and made it corporate only. Which is what Qatar and FIFA probably wanted anyway. The people on corporate jaunts will be able to drink in the hotels, cruise ships and in the corporate areas. The fans are committed to their tickets now. So the choice is to try and offload your ticket and go to a fanzine where you can get fleeced, or go to the stadium and forego the booze. Not suggesting the 2 go hand in hand, but so many will have wanted some alcoholic refreshment, a couple of pints etc. Can’t imagine offloading your ticket will be that easy for this one. As I put in the poll, I hope this has huge repercussions for FIFA and we start to see sanity return to the game. |
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 18, 2022 13:28:09 GMT 1
I'm always buzzing on the eve of a World Cup but not this time. The tragedy of the hundreds (thousands?) of workers who have died building the stadiums is pretty horrendous. This was modern day slave labour. The total disregard of human rights is appalling. But... it is not these things that really resonate; it's the total corrupt nature of world football that has allowed Qatar to host the competition in exchange for filling FIFAs coffers with billions. Being a fan I will probably come round, but I won't be watching it to the extent that I usually do. And the England team? Do me a favour! Yes it's certainly a controversial tournament, be interesting to see how it pans out |
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