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Post by rockwall on Nov 30, 2022 20:21:30 GMT 1
The way he has played this season... where on earth does he see that he warrants an improved contract.
Get your head down, put the effort in and earn your dough. Then improved talks could happen.
Typical modern day footballer. Take what they want but can't be arsed to deliver the goods.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Nov 30, 2022 20:29:08 GMT 1
Happy to wait and see what happens (if at all) Not trying to be clever here mate, but I think any regular reader/poster on here is now able to determine that you are happy to wait and see what the outcome is for any given circumstance. Posting the same sentiment repeatedly seems unnecessary. Just trying to save you a bit of time. People giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios really boils my piss. Once it's happened, pontificate away, but why discuss beforehand? If nothing happens, all of those opinions were just a waste of time. For those who think that they should have an opinion on such hypothetical scenarios on forums, I am just expressing mine, which is apathy |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Nov 30, 2022 21:39:34 GMT 1
Not trying to be clever here mate, but I think any regular reader/poster on here is now able to determine that you are happy to wait and see what the outcome is for any given circumstance. Posting the same sentiment repeatedly seems unnecessary. Just trying to save you a bit of time. People giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios really boils my piss. Once it's happened, pontificate away, but why discuss beforehand? If nothing happens, all of those opinions were just a waste of time. For those who think that they should have an opinion on such hypothetical scenarios on forums, I am just expressing mine, which is apathy I understand your feelings mate. Unfortunately that is the nature of a message board. I actually find your posts mildly amusing for the record. If somewhat repetitive. |
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Post by wildhogg on Nov 30, 2022 21:53:42 GMT 1
I initially thought he just 'looked' like a lazy twat due to his build and style. After his start to the season I came to the conclusion that he actually IS a lazy twat.
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 30, 2022 22:05:06 GMT 1
He's a good player who needs people doing the legwork for him. I don't think that makes him a 'lazy twat', or any of the other things he's being called. He has glaring weaknesses, but attitude has never come across as a problem to me and he's always come across very level headed and mature off the pitch. You certainly don't get the development curve he had last season by being lazy either.
It's also easy to forget he was signed on a 2+1 contract, after a mediocre loan at Accrington, specifically as a B team player. Therefore, he won't be on much money at all (possibly as little as B team players breaking through this season), and he will have been pushing for his first big contract last season. After some excellent performances, he didn't get offered it until his performances have dipped again. So his bargaining position is weak, especially as Fotheringham doesn't seem to like him, and the club continue to penny pinch.
He'll go somewhere else next season, and I imagine he'll be a bit parter at Championship level or below for the rest of his career, unless he gets another manager like Carlos who builds a team around him.
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Post by ACW on Nov 30, 2022 22:07:32 GMT 1
Not trying to be clever here mate, but I think any regular reader/poster on here is now able to determine that you are happy to wait and see what the outcome is for any given circumstance. Posting the same sentiment repeatedly seems unnecessary. Just trying to save you a bit of time. People giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios really boils my piss. Once it's happened, pontificate away, but why discuss beforehand? If nothing happens, all of those opinions were just a waste of time. For those who think that they should have an opinion on such hypothetical scenarios on forums, I am just expressing mine, which is apathy If people giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios upsets you so much, perhaps a football discussion board is not for you. |
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Post by willhudd on Nov 30, 2022 22:54:33 GMT 1
Football is a brutal industry and things can change rapidly. Not long ago Russel was playing brilliantly against Burnley scoring the winner against Luton and now is an outcast. Don't know any other job where you can be banished and left alone while everyone else cracks on. I don't know the ins and outs but I'm sure most will agree it's a shame for a 22 year old lad to be in this position. Hopefully he gets himself fixed up in January and can crack on with his career
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 30, 2022 22:55:59 GMT 1
Not trying to be clever here mate, but I think any regular reader/poster on here is now able to determine that you are happy to wait and see what the outcome is for any given circumstance. Posting the same sentiment repeatedly seems unnecessary. Just trying to save you a bit of time. People giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios really boils my piss. Once it's happened, pontificate away, but why discuss beforehand? If nothing happens, all of those opinions were just a waste of time. For those who think that they should have an opinion on such hypothetical scenarios on forums, I am just expressing mine, which is apathy So you don't think anything should be discussed on a football forum until it has actually happened? No point in discussing what we think the result will be or who we think we might sign in the transfer window? Jeez, I bet you are fun at parties. |
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Post by space hardware on Dec 1, 2022 1:07:45 GMT 1
If any Town player, ex or otherwise, was to be likened to Busquets it must surely be Vallejo. Well, Vallejo is tall and Spanish, but I don’t remember him being a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee, so maybe the comparison with Russell is fairer? Busquets? Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2020–21 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 International FIFA World Cup: 2010 UEFA European Championship: 2012 FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2013; third place 2009 UEFA Nations League runner-up: 2020–21 Individual Bravo Award: 2009 La Liga's Breakthrough Player: 2009 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010[104] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012 UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA Nations League Finals Player of the Tournament: 2021 Decorations Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010 Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011 What a whinging, diving prick. |
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Post by ritchie on Dec 1, 2022 2:17:39 GMT 1
The way he has played this season... where on earth does he see that he warrants an improved contract.
Get your head down, put the effort in and earn your dough. Then improved talks could happen. Typical modern day footballer. Take what they want but can't be arsed to deliver the goods. To be fair, for all we know a) this could have been going on since summer and b) he might be on fairly low money given his role went from B team to first team regular. Considering how much of a shambles the clubs been since Wembley i'd half wish to give him the benefit of the doubt... In may he probably saw us as a great place to play in a good championship team, under a good coach, where he would deserve a decent wage. Would anyone blame him if he'd seen the absolute shit show unfold and maybe wasnt keen on renewing? Especially for peanuts. It could explain his form? Doubt Hoyle's making much effort to keep anyone at the club to be honest. I think Phil, if in charge, has him signed up before Wembley. We're a club that have just had to activate a years extension on one of our best prospects, the season we blood him into the first team.. Yes that might have been somewhat accelerated due to injuries but surely EC should have been coming into the team with a longterm contract? Not to mention fozzo is probably saying they should be happy with £250 a week and the honour of cleaning his boots I personally find this freezing out of players (unless theyve caused actual disharmony - which I dont really see with russell?), from our position of weakness, absolutely bonkers. Thin, poor squad, ravaged by injuries but can afford to leave players training alone?? Surely his contract situation is an incentive for him to perform? Would agree its all a risk for Russell though.. he might end upstruggling for a club in summer |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Dec 1, 2022 3:24:05 GMT 1
Perhaps I’m guilty of stereotyping here - but could he just be the alleged Yorkshire man being careful with the pennies in allegedly expensive Marbella ! Anyway who am I to talk as I’m now off to Mull for a couple of hours in the pub in Tobermory to probably see ma first full hour of World Cup action in The 2022 tournament and then hop on the ferry to Kilchoan and one there before heading to ma ex brother in law’s holiday house for two days and nights of ‘economical’ boozing in the house and at the beach fire tonight and tomorrow’s night with the stipulation being malt whisky only so I’ve a bottle of Loch Lomond and Bunnahabhain in ma bag ! This will be drank over accordion, guitar, and singing in remote Sanna bay in Ardnamurichan (the most westerly point in mainland Britain I’m told, so perhaps appropriate for Westerly Westie ! ) I believe that there is the relitavely new Adelphi Distillery in the Kilchoan area so a visit there will be a must to compare notes and compare whisky taste buds of The water of life ! Anyway as always The iPad will be left in the family home and there’s nothing doing in ma footy world until Saturday so I will see yous all when I’m back on DATM then all being well... Cheers (Slainte) From (Very westerly Westie) !!! I think you mean Ardnamurchan (how sad am I?) Anyway enjoy the break. I once stayed there in a remote cottage and when we were nicely settled in a river suddenly appeared and cut us completely off for 24 hours. To be fair we had been warned. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Dec 1, 2022 9:25:51 GMT 1
Well, Vallejo is tall and Spanish, but I don’t remember him being a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee, so maybe the comparison with Russell is fairer? Busquets? Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2020–21 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 International FIFA World Cup: 2010 UEFA European Championship: 2012 FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2013; third place 2009 UEFA Nations League runner-up: 2020–21 Individual Bravo Award: 2009 La Liga's Breakthrough Player: 2009 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010[104] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012 UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA Nations League Finals Player of the Tournament: 2021 Decorations Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010 Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011 What a whinging, diving prick. You can still be a whinging, diving prick AND win lots of things. Shall we go through Neymar's trophy cabinet? |
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Post by mosher on Dec 1, 2022 10:00:42 GMT 1
Well, Vallejo is tall and Spanish, but I don’t remember him being a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee, so maybe the comparison with Russell is fairer? Busquets? Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2020–21 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 International FIFA World Cup: 2010 UEFA European Championship: 2012 FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2013; third place 2009 UEFA Nations League runner-up: 2020–21 Individual Bravo Award: 2009 La Liga's Breakthrough Player: 2009 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010[104] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012 UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA Nations League Finals Player of the Tournament: 2021 Decorations Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010 Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011 What a whinging, diving prick. What you've won doesn't decide whether you're a whinging diving prick or not. Perfect example Cristiano Ronaldo is a whinging diving prick, so is Wilfried Zaha, one has won everything, one has won fuck all, but both are still whinging diving pricks. Edit: Dammit Junior & Onuora beat me to it! |
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Post by space hardware on Dec 1, 2022 11:14:31 GMT 1
Busquets? Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2020–21 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 International FIFA World Cup: 2010 UEFA European Championship: 2012 FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2013; third place 2009 UEFA Nations League runner-up: 2020–21 Individual Bravo Award: 2009 La Liga's Breakthrough Player: 2009 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010[104] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012 UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA Nations League Finals Player of the Tournament: 2021 Decorations Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010 Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011 What a whinging, diving prick. You can still be a whinging, diving prick AND win lots of things. Shall we go through Neymar's trophy cabinet? True, true. My initial point was that it was laughable to compare Russell to a player who is one of the greatest ever defensive midfielders, followed by some gadge on here belittling said player as "a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee". I probably didn't make my point very well, as usual 😁 |
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Post by bobrobterrier on Dec 1, 2022 11:33:06 GMT 1
Lad deffo has ability. Hopefully he can get back up and running at the club. Just get the head down and work hard
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 1, 2022 11:59:31 GMT 1
Lad deffo has ability. Hopefully he can get back up and running at the club. Just get the head down and work hard Agreed. There’s a player in there no doubt and he showed that at times last season. Let’s hope it gets sorted, he gets his head down and he can continue to progress. No one wins with this situation as it currently stands. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 1, 2022 12:10:17 GMT 1
My initial point was that it was laughable to compare Russell to a player who is one of the greatest ever defensive midfielders, followed by some gadge on here belittling said player as "a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee". I probably didn't make my point very well, as usual 😁 Yeah, I've re-read and unliked Epsom's post as it implies Russell is a whinging, diving prick which is a million miles off the truth. I liked the post because that's exactly what Busquets is, I utterly despise him, along with other such blatant cheats as Ronaldo, Neymar, Maradona. All four of those players are some of the best to play the game (big question mark over Neymar for me) but all four are 100% cheats and whingers. I don't remember Russell stooping to such levels. I'm not sure Epsom, who is an excellent football poster, is aware of the confusion he may have caused. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 1, 2022 13:47:31 GMT 1
Busquets? Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2020–21 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015 International FIFA World Cup: 2010 UEFA European Championship: 2012 FIFA Confederations Cup runner-up: 2013; third place 2009 UEFA Nations League runner-up: 2020–21 Individual Bravo Award: 2009 La Liga's Breakthrough Player: 2009 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010[104] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2012 UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15 La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA La Liga Team of the Season: 2015–16 UEFA Nations League Finals Player of the Tournament: 2021 Decorations Prince of Asturias Awards: 2010 Gold Medal of the Royal Order of Sporting Merit: 2011 What a whinging, diving prick. You can still be a whinging, diving prick AND win lots of things. Shall we go through Neymar's trophy cabinet? And Ronaldo's. And Messi's |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 1, 2022 14:24:16 GMT 1
People giving opinions on hypothetical scenarios really boils my piss. Once it's happened, pontificate away, but why discuss beforehand? If nothing happens, all of those opinions were just a waste of time. For those who think that they should have an opinion on such hypothetical scenarios on forums, I am just expressing mine, which is apathy So you don't think anything should be discussed on a football forum until it has actually happened? No point in discussing what we think the result will be or who we think we might sign in the transfer window? Jeez, I bet you are fun at parties. You can add current World Cup build up to matches, pre budget media speculation, new Prime Minister speculation, speculation about how the Lady in Waiting’s insult to a charity Head affecting W&K touring the US. In fact, all pointless speculation. I might discuss a match with a mate on the way there, but, to broadcast such speculation to others seems egotistical (says he, broadcasting his views in an egotistical way😀) |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 1, 2022 21:22:37 GMT 1
Lad deffo has ability. Hopefully he can get back up and running at the club. Just get the head down and work hard That's his biggest problem. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 1, 2022 23:03:41 GMT 1
My initial point was that it was laughable to compare Russell to a player who is one of the greatest ever defensive midfielders, followed by some gadge on here belittling said player as "a whinging, diving prick who constantly moaned at the referee". I probably didn't make my point very well, as usual 😁 Yeah, I've re-read and unliked Epsom's post as it implies Russell is a whinging, diving prick which is a million miles off the truth. I liked the post because that's exactly what Busquets is, I utterly despise him, along with other such blatant cheats as Ronaldo, Neymar, Maradona. All four of those players are some of the best to play the game (big question mark over Neymar for me) but all four are 100% cheats and whingers. I don't remember Russell stooping to such levels. I'm not sure Epsom, who is an excellent football poster, is aware of the confusion he may have caused. Neymar. The most overrated player that has ever graced the game. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Dec 1, 2022 23:12:34 GMT 1
So Jon Russel, have we all agreed he’s a lazy twat?
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Post by rockwall on Dec 2, 2022 9:23:49 GMT 1
So Jon Russel, have we all agreed he’s a lazy twat? I personally don't think he is lazy. He just needs people like LOB around him. Think Kasumu would complement him well. He is a bitnof a luxury player, but this season has been off the boil (Not Will). I just think it is a case of him thinking he's made it after half a decent season and had become complacent. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Dec 2, 2022 10:49:51 GMT 1
So Jon Russel, have we all agreed he’s a lazy twat? I personally don't think he is lazy. He just needs people like LOB around him. Think Kasumu would complement him well. He is a bitnof a luxury player, but this season has been off the boil (Not Will). I just think it is a case of him thinking he's made it after half a decent season and had become complacent.I don’t. The clearest reason for him not making the grade at Chelsea, and being so underwhelming at Accrington, is his all too obvious lack of pace, mobility and general dynamism. Carlos compensated for this by playing O’Brien alongside him in a system that didn’t expose his weaknesses, allowing him to demonstrate his undoubted strengths. Fotheringham likes his central midfield to be quick and mobile, which is why he didn’t fancy Russell right from the off. And if the manager doesn’t fancy you, there’s usually only one result… |
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Post by mosher on Dec 2, 2022 10:54:33 GMT 1
I personally don't think he is lazy. He just needs people like LOB around him. Think Kasumu would complement him well. He is a bitnof a luxury player, but this season has been off the boil (Not Will). I just think it is a case of him thinking he's made it after half a decent season and had become complacent.I don’t. The clearest reason for him not making the grade at Chelsea, and being so underwhelming at Accrington, is his all too obvious lack of pace, mobility and general dynamism. Carlos compensated for this by playing O’Brien alongside him in a system that didn’t expose his weaknesses, allowing him to demonstrate his undoubted strengths. Fotheringham likes his central midfield to be quick and mobile, which is why he didn’t fancy Russell right from the off. And if the manager doesn’t fancy you, there’s usually only one result…Even Cristiano Ronaldo has found that out! |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 2, 2022 11:38:27 GMT 1
So Jon Russel, have we all agreed he’s a lazy twat? I personally don't think he is lazy. He just needs people like LOB around him. Think Kasumu would complement him well. He is a bitnof a luxury player, but this season has been off the boil (Not Will). I just think it is a case of him thinking he's made it after half a decent season and had become complacent. I don’t think he is lazy either. I just think he severely lacks the high natural fitness levels that professional footballers have. No matter how many miles he racks up on the treadmill, he will still look like he’s running through treacle. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 2, 2022 12:15:34 GMT 1
I personally don't think he is lazy. He just needs people like LOB around him. Think Kasumu would complement him well. He is a bitnof a luxury player, but this season has been off the boil (Not Will). I just think it is a case of him thinking he's made it after half a decent season and had become complacent. I don’t think he is lazy either. I just think he severely lacks the high natural fitness levels that professional footballers have. No matter how many miles he racks up on the treadmill, he will still look like he’s running through treacle. Tough if not nigh on impossible to make him quicker at his age but not hard to make him run further and for longer. |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Dec 2, 2022 12:31:46 GMT 1
Yeah, I've re-read and unliked Epsom's post as it implies Russell is a whinging, diving prick which is a million miles off the truth. I liked the post because that's exactly what Busquets is, I utterly despise him, along with other such blatant cheats as Ronaldo, Neymar, Maradona. All four of those players are some of the best to play the game (big question mark over Neymar for me) but all four are 100% cheats and whingers. I don't remember Russell stooping to such levels. I'm not sure Epsom, who is an excellent football poster, is aware of the confusion he may have caused. Neymar. The most overrated player that has ever graced the game. David Beckham |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 2, 2022 12:45:55 GMT 1
The way he has played this season... where on earth does he see that he warrants an improved contract.
Get your head down, put the effort in and earn your dough. Then improved talks could happen. Typical modern day footballer. Take what they want but can't be arsed to deliver the goods. To be fair, for all we know a) this could have been going on since summer and b) he might be on fairly low money given his role went from B team to first team regular. Considering how much of a shambles the clubs been since Wembley i'd half wish to give him the benefit of the doubt... In may he probably saw us as a great place to play in a good championship team, under a good coach, where he would deserve a decent wage. Would anyone blame him if he'd seen the absolute shit show unfold and maybe wasnt keen on renewing? Especially for peanuts. It could explain his form? Doubt Hoyle's making much effort to keep anyone at the club to be honest. I think Phil, if in charge, has him signed up before Wembley. We're a club that have just had to activate a years extension on one of our best prospects, the season we blood him into the first team.. Yes that might have been somewhat accelerated due to injuries but surely EC should have been coming into the team with a longterm contract? Not to mention fozzo is probably saying they should be happy with £250 a week and the honour of cleaning his boots I personally find this freezing out of players (unless theyve caused actual disharmony - which I dont really see with russell?), from our position of weakness, absolutely bonkers. Thin, poor squad, ravaged by injuries but can afford to leave players training alone?? Surely his contract situation is an incentive for him to perform? Would agree its all a risk for Russell though.. he might end upstruggling for a club in summer Totally agree. Given the threadbare squad we have freezing players out is just childish. It’s amateur at best. Like the rest of them he clearly wasn’t fit when the season started. He like us had no idea of the shit show that was about to happen. However, I do think he has an agent in his ear giving him the wrong advice. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 2, 2022 12:49:59 GMT 1
Neymar. The most overrated player that has ever graced the game. David Beckham I always used to say that about Beckham, one of the most one-footed over-rated players going. Incredible, incredible dead ball specialist, but half the time couldn't cross the ball accurately while in play, no pace, couldn't beat full backs to the byline with skill so over-relied on trying to curl the ball around them. In essence, a rich man's Sorba (apart from the pace bit), but Sorba wasn't around to compare back then  Still think Neymar beats him as THE most over-rated though! |
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